I have a fifty acre piece of property which I have a home on and the property runs north and south. The property also has several gorges that run at a diagonal east to west along the property to with a few easy breaks. These breaks fall from eastern side of the property over to my neighbor's. The wind blows almost always from the west. I have posted tree stands at these breaks well within my boundaries and hunt only game that is on my side of the line.
I travel to these stands on my property as well via the gorge or old logging roads so I never go across the line. My neighbor (this is his NY hunting property) because he can see my stands from his land( I can see his as well) and swears that I am cutting off the deer to him, demands that I move my stands. I told him no and that sitting on my land over natural funnels was fair and square. But I would like some feed back from the Trad Gang community. I am moving to Wyoming shortly and my new Tenant is also a hunter and I want to be able to offer him so sound advice with regard to stand locations so please fire away, Joe
As a landowner myself, I say that you own it and can do as you like. You are hunting where you can hunt and I see no reason to hunt a worse spot just to help your neighbor. If the properties were reversed, he would be hunting the funnels for sure....
That is exactly how I feel. Some of my property is quite thick and the deer hang there but getting to them is not so easy so I just felt that taking advantage of the terrain was my best option. These guys have 30 more acres than I do to hunt. I just want to make sure that I leave my new tenant with some good advice and a place to hunt with out any headaches. Thank you for the reply Statedriller, Joe
It's your property and you have the right to hunt it any way you see fit. If the shoe were on the other foot he wouldn't move for you. Hunt it i say. :thumbsup:
What's he going to do next, have you shoo all the deer over to his property, you can't use that kind of camo, you can't shoot a stick bow lol. Sorry I got carried away.
Hmmmm. I'd say you can do as you please on your own land.
However (there's always a however) on my own property I give a nod to my neighbor who I know always sits in one particular spot and so I work myself where I won't be too close or interfere with his chances. That's just my choice. All but one landowner on this hill of about 3 miles x 8 miles of woods is unposted internally (most of us post the road frontage) and allow others to hunt or hike as they wish. It's a fantastic neighborly area (I have said before our neighborhood watch is through crosshairs).
Certainly it's up to you, but aren't there spots further up those trails he can't see? Personally, I wouldn't like to sit where I could see another hunter sitting. Who wants to look at that on their day off? :archer:
Hi Charlie,
I agree with you on the being seen part, I have never seen most of them when I am hunting just some stands which there are many ! I hope to have my tenant set up in some area that can not be seen from or see the other stands. These guys have posted and sprayed orange paint on trees some 30 yards over my line. I paid a surveyor $3,000.00 to survey and set multiple pins when I bought the house and land and these guys still can come to grips with the line, it is posted so heavily it looks like road frontage. My neighbor to the west is the best you could have. We hunt each others land back and forth no problem even help each other out. I am easily just as happy for him to take the big buck off my place as if it were me. I have no time for people with entitlement issues though. I do not own the deer and in the end could really care less but it just gets me, I thought hunting was supposed to be fun, Joe
Enjoy your land and ignore the idiot neighbor. This guy is sillier than than the people who try and tell me they have been hunting a particular spot or large area on public land so I can't hunt it. I even had a guy I know get irritated I took an out of state hunter into a huge public hunting area because it was his since he has always hunted there! If you don't own it, you don't control it. Simple as that.
Lemmy guess the hunting property next door neighbors from the city right?! Years back I had a guy buy a a parcel close to me. I was out hunting one winter and here comes two people a guy and women up to me. I said what do you think your doing. They said going for a walk in the woods. I told them there on private and pleas don't trespass again. They where from NYC and this was going to be there summer property. With snow that winter it was easy to follow my tracks to my stands. When I went to check them in spring my stands where gone. Turns out she was a shrink and big time anti. Thankfully they never did build there house. I confronted him while seeing his vehicle on the prop. He denied taking them but I could see through his BS. I just let him know he comes here and brings his filthy habits of robbing folks with him from his nasty city.
HEY,IGNORE THE NEIGHBOR,AND HUNT,HE PROBABLY DOESNT SEE DEER ANYWAY,EVEN IF THERE RIGHT UNDER HIS STAND,BECAUSE HES TO BUSY GLASSING TRYING TO FIND U IN THE WOODS TO SEE WHAT UR UP TO,,,ENJOY YOUR HUNT...
It's your property and you are certainly within your rights, "However" you have to be the judge as to which is more important, "Your Rights" or "Your relationship?"
Might be time for some adult beverage around a camp fire and see if a compromise can be had. The day will probably come when you need to ask him for permission to track one that went on to his property.
As things are now, I would say it's a long shot that he would grant it.
you cant help the lay of your land. it is what it is.HE is the one who has the less then perfect set up.On the farm I hunt the funnel ends into our land.If the deer get shot before they get to me there is not much I can do about it.on the other hand I would not set up 20 yds from the guy either.how ever 50 yds away I would when bow hunting.I would be inclined to devise a plan with the guy so you could both have a productive hunt.If not resolved these problems could go on for years.Every season you start off wondering about what he is going to do.how can you make a plan if you cant carrie it out.
you cant help the lay of your land. it is what it is.HE is the one who has the less then perfect set up.On the farm I hunt the funnel ends into our land.If the deer get shot before they get to me there is not much I can do about it.on the other hand I would not set up 20 yds from the guy either.how ever 50 yds away I would when bow hunting.I would be inclined to devise a plan with the guy so you could both have a productive hunt.If not resolved these problems could go on for years.Every season you start off wondering about what he is going to do.how can you make a plan if you cant carrie it out.
Its your property,do what you like.I really dont see the problem.
Tell him that his house impeads the natural look of wilderness when your on your property, so you would like him to move it so you don't have to look at it. If he wants that spot so bad, ask him how much is he willing to pay for it, and then problem solved.
Maybe be nice about it and see if you could work out a schedule that both of you could agree on that allows one guy to hunt the area at a time, but then again, it's your property. Enough said.
No matter where or how you hunt someone will always be jealous. I would say a common problem with those who buy or lease a piece of property stricly to hunt and for no other purpose, but I am probably wrong.
I think you have your answer.Its yours do as you wish.
If he's a jerk...which it sounds is highly possible...who the heck is he to tell you what to do on your property? If he wants to hunt the funnels on your property then he should buy the land or be glad for what he has. If you guys are friends, you could work something out, certain days you would hunt the area, him on others.
That would make you a very good friend indeed and he should be kissing your behind for a favor like that. If he didn't show any appreciation, he's not much of a friend is he?
it is your property and you can do what you want on it......he in my opinion is an idiot to think that you will give in to his wishes....the only thing that I would do for him is remind him again which side of the property line to stay on.....
I think that he should study the habits of white tail deer.
If they are pressured, they will move, they will seek (like humans) food, shelter and water.
"cutting them off", would be an effort in futility.
He can alter his plans on his property, but I don't feel that he has any right to ask you to alter yours.
You should inform your renter to exactly where the boundries are, and give him specific written permission, aside from the rental agreement, to hunting access on your property.
I feel sorry for your neighbor, however you are putting up with the same thing from him in reverse.
Joe- You have the right to do as you wish on your property.If you are moving to WY. in very short time, I would not worry about it! Good luck in WY, there are some awesome opportunities there!!
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You have to be able to hunt your own property. These are not the kings deer and this isn't the middle ages.
Hunt the best spot on your property and try to keep peace at the same time if possible.
I'd tell him to mind his own business. If he had been more tactfull then I might be inclined to handle it nicely but bottom line no one should be able to tell you what to do on your land. If he got too obnoxious I would set up 2 or 3 stands 5 feet from the property line. :readit:
Keep hunting them there is no shame in hunting were and when you want on your own property. I have a similar situation my 27 acres is long and narrow. If your neighbor doesn't like it he can always move. I feel he has no problem cutting deer off from you if the come the other way :confused: Tell the new guy to place his stands were yours are and just hunt.
I would work up some kind of agreement for hunting the area.
QuoteOriginally posted by Earl E. Nov...mber:
Might be time for some adult beverage around a camp fire and see if a compromise can be had. The day will probably come when you need to ask him for permission to track one that went on to his property.
So true a statement. Too many times we try to settle things through argument. Campfires and adult dialogue is the best medicine. If only the rest of the world could follow this same simple advice.
Exactly the reason I never went back to Jersey and the reason my parents moved out here when they retired.
That being said, had a guy purchase 40 acers right on my north fence. He and his son wanted it to deer hunt. Well, several weeks into bow season he calls me and wants to know if they can hunt on my ground cause they are seeing a ton of deer on my side of the fence..... I am all for getting kids hunting but I had to say no. I felt it was up to him to get the job done. The deer used both sides of the fence. I just had "better everything" on my side.
Same property, gets bought by some jerk barrister (not all barristers are jerks) and he fills it with stands. Every year I have some kind of incounter with someone who is hunting his property. Two years ago he calls me at 4:30 the last day of our first gun season and tells me that they shot a spike and he went over on my property and they are going home. So, if I want to go look for it go ahead. We had semi agreed to not shoot young deer.. They put their stands up within 20 yards of my line.
This is a never-ending battle.. You just do what ya have to do..
You are morally, ethically and legally fine.
You may yourself consider taking a much closer look at other set-up possibilites that could turn out to be even better options. Give them a fair test and then choose to move your stands if desired or just leave them. Even the best set-ups hunted too often will educate the deer.
He's probably getting "cut off" in the bedroom too
If effect, your neighbor is upset that you're in the way of him shooting deer coming off of your land.
Do not compromise with someone this wrong.
If he wants deer to bed on his land, he needs to do some habitat work to improve his own land.
Instead, he wants to use your land as his private bedding area and he doesn't want you hunting there, on your own land.
If anything, he should move his stands if he's relying on hunting the bedding area's on your land, that you are already hunting.
This would be like if you had land on a steelhead river and the neighbor upstream told you not to fish because you had first crack at the fish moving upstream and he didn't want to getting in his way.
I'm with Earl E. Nov. on this one. Although your neighbor has no right to tell you where you can put a stand on your own land, you will both be far better off if you can work out a mutually agreeable solution.
My hunting property is surrounded on all sides by other hunting properties. We all kind of know where each others stands are at least near the boundaries, and are respectful of each others stand locations. That doesn't mean that one landowner can claim rights to everything within eyesight of the fenceline. It simply means we do consider how our own stand placement might affect the neighbors. It works both ways, and both owners need to be on the same page for it to work.
There will come a time when you shoot a deer that runs on to your neighbors property. It will go much better if you get along.
If you are cutting off deer going to him the reverse is also true he's cutting them off on the way to you. In NY we can only take a handful of deer so it's not like your taking every deer in the county. It's your land so I say do as you see fit. On the other hand a war with the neighbor is never good. It will only get worse when it's a tennet and if a wounded deer ever crosses the line then the fireworks start.
I understand the mentality at work here. I grew up in the late 70s through mid 80s with a hunting cabin and property in North Earsten Pa. It was awsome to have such a place and 1000 acres. The only poor memories I have years later came from the attitudes of both some of the members of our small club as well as the members of surounding properties. It was as if every other camp was the enemy! People actually ran reconnaissasce missions and spied on each other. Once, as a late teen I drove to a camp about a mile up the dirt road and just visited for a couple hours. I was plied with alcohol and all but given the bright light treatment in an effort to gather intel at that camp. When I got back to my camp I was nearly hung for treason! Don't let such attitudes develop or effect your enjoyment. The responses on here that suggest speaking with your neighbor...espically over a beer and a fire....are right on!
Well, it IS your property, however, since you would like your new tenant to enjoy it also you may want to try and work out a compromise with him.
What if during the season you offered to let him hunt one of your choice stands for a few days, while you have a chance to hunt one of his choice spots. If it works out good for each party, maybe you can make it a regular thing. A sort of diplomatic compromise. You always have the ability to close the door later, and you seem to be holding all the cards. If he is unwilling to work together then just ignore him.
I would actually have to come sit in the stand during hunting season to get some first hand observations before I could make any impartial judgement. What time would be good for you?
:laughing: VTer
A conflict like this could get real interesting when a deer tou hit makes it off your property. NY has no fight to retrieve and even a DEC officer cannot require a landowner grant access to recover. This goes both ways and could be brought up when trying to find a compromise good for both.
Easy solution. When he's hunting in his stand, sit in your treestand wearing only a camo speedo and yell over to him asking if he wants to join you for a Cosmopolitan martini after the hunt and watch Dancing With The Stars.
My guess is, you'll never see or hear of him again! LOL :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
QuoteOriginally posted by Owlgrowler:
He's probably getting "cut off" in the bedroom too
Now those are "horns" of a totally different color...lmao
My guess is you might want to consider moving the stand anyway. If he is thinking that way, chances are he's not much of a hunter and is mucking up the area with noise and scent any.
That way you get the high ground and the deer :thumbsup:
If he sees you in your stands while you are hunting, just smile and wave. :wavey:
You're within your rights to hang your stands where you please as long as they aren't on his property.
Just be sure to tell your tenant about the guy and how to reach the sheriff if he needs him.
I'm going to assume this isn't a friend, otherwise there would be no issue -- you would have already combined resources.
I would want to be 75-100 yards from the fence and I wouldn't care if I was cutting off deer or not. In fact, cutting them off is exactly one of my objectives when I'm scouting for a site location. I want to be away from the line so a deer I hit well has little chance of making it to the neighbor's property.
I would also try to work out a "trade" with the neighbor that he also hunt back from the line so deer have little chance of making it to you if hit well. Both should allow each other to recover (without killing gear) deer on the other's property with the offer that both owners be on the trail.
It's your property, and it's not your fault if the deer come by you while heading in his direction. Got nothing to do with ethics. Got everything to do with good stand placement.
Hang a stand where he can see you hunting from his property and give him the finger or hang a sign in the tree and really get him goin'...j/k. It's your land; your neighbor's off his rocker for even bringing it up. I wouldn't even give it a second thought.
I hunt a small piece of land and I am forced to be near the boundries. I have good neighbors but my rule of thumb has been I stay on my property and my arrow flies on my property. That is all I can control. Sometimes my neighbors do other activities that disrupt my hunting but I don't say anything. They have zero intentions of messing me up but either way it is their property and they have every right to do as they please. I would say the same applies here.
I sold my Land over stuff like this.But the difference was I was shot at about eight times .Threatened three other times ,And I just did not feel safe and my wife not feeling safe.
Poachers and meth heads,You can never trust them or believe them .So it's sold.
It made me sour on warning to buy another piece of land.
It's back to public land for me ,At least I know what to expect their.
But I agree with the post on here ,It's your land. You should be able to do with what you want with it, and not have to answer to anyone else.
That was quite a lot of information and some certainly got me laughing. I used to be one to handle things with out thinking and that leads to a very crappy example for my kids. My neighbor to the east is all about entitlement and I could give a crap about his wants, but I want to do the right thing for hunting in general. I have several out of sight locations to give to my tenant that I also have shared with my very good neighbor to my west. We should all be like Tom and I am sure most hunters are. Nothing made me happier than him getting a very nice buck at the back of my place, if the situation were reverse I am sure he would feel the same. In the interest of peace I will stay out of sight while having stands at the best ambush spots. While out in Wyoming I do not want my tenant putting up with avoidable grief, but I also want him to enjoy his time in the woods. Thank you for all the replies and good humor, Joe
BTW, I'd hang a well hidden camera close to your stand site if you remove it and see if he comes onto your property when you're gone...
Great suggestion, I think I might just have to try that and I will be having my bud Tom keeping an eye out. I think part of the issue is these guys had free range (not Official) while this place was in probate before I bought the place and felt they should be able to continue, I paid for mine and they paid for theirs, Joe