Are there any special field tips you can buy espically for stump shooting or you just use reg field tips. Can't see them coming out easy after shooting them into a stump.
I usually don't shoot stumps. I try to pick a leaf or trash or something else. Unless it's a really rotted stump. Too hard on arrows and points.
I have gone to footed carbons and hex heads for stumping. They sure take some abuse!
Killdeer
Thats what i was wondering, Im going in a couple weeks and was wondering about how rough it was on arrows. I have never done it.
"Stumping" is usually a figure of speech. Shooting real stumps is a good way to lose points and break arrows. I use judo points, and shoot at leaves, sticks, pine cones, etc. Blunts and hex heads are said to work well too, but judos are my favorite.
Judo points or rubber blunts work the best for me.
Hex heads for stumping if the possibility of some small game hunting exits; otherwise judo points. ROTTEN stumps, pinecones, leaves, clumps of grass work for me. You gotta break a few arrows to justify buying new ones once in awhile!
I'll probably loose more than i'll break lol.
RFA Talons :thumbsup:
I have used nothing but judo tips for years
QuoteOriginally posted by okla bearclaw:
I have used nothing but judo tips for years
How well do they work in weeds and leafs tall grass. ?
QuoteOriginally posted by 30pointbuck:
QuoteOriginally posted by okla bearclaw:
I have used nothing but judo tips for years
How well do they work in weeds and leafs tall grass. ? [/b]
That is where the Judo really finds its home.
RFA's just ROCK, or I just put a washer behind a field point and forgo shooting solid stumps.
I use hex blunts.
Its always nice to be in areas where you know you got lots of well rotted stumpage. An oak grove may not be the place.....whether there are stumps or not! Ive put arrows into what I thought was a rotted stump, to hear what sounded like a .22lr shot and a damaged arrow....that would be an oak stump! I have a lot of birch around here.....great stumps! Pine as well!
An example of how tough carbon or carbon/Alum composite (Easton ACC) (velocity = 243 fps) can be with standard 125 gr. field point screwed into a standard alum insert held with hot-melt glue:
1. Aimed at a brick wall + hit a brick = arrow splinters for 4-6 inches as insert is driven into shaft, nock blows off from compressed air driven by the insert. Penetration = 0 inches (bricks are hard when they come out of the oven)
2. Aimed at a brick wall + hit mortar between bricks = arrow not damaged because penetration of 0.25 inch into mortar (sand and cement) dissipated energy enough to prevent damage.
For easy stump removal, use any head that is larger in diameter at the front tapering smaller toward the rear (rubber/plastic blunts and hex-heads, etc.)
Use judo's or similar in grass/weeds/leaves and have fun :)
I believe it will be alot of fun.
I shoot stumps a few times each week even in the coldest temps here in MN and I use nothing but Judo tips. If you shoot cedar arrows you will break plenty of arrows. If you shoot carbons you will find some are tougher than others. The Carbon Express Heritage and Maxima shafts are the toughest I've shot. I have bent several steel adapters that I use in conjunction with judo tips but I have yet to mushroom the front of a Carbon Express shaft.
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Judo's are hard to beat. I have had far better luck with them than any other head.
Give me Judo points and a nice day, thats all I need.
I've had the best luck with Judo's also. It's a great time.
Yep, judos are the ticket. And stumping is the best practice for hunting and a lot more fun than 'target' shooting.
Homemade judos in the archives. Very excellent quality, any weight you decide, cheap, & will not burrow into the grass. Otherwise judos are $6-8 for 2. Hard to beat either.
Oh, don't forget about those little Grasshoppers bt Muzzy. They is purty kewl.
I have used Zwickey judos for as long as I can remember. If you do want to shoot stumps another choice is Zwickey's field points as the are somewhat blunt on the end. They will stick in a dead stump but are not too bad about pulling out as they do not penetrate as well as say a field point. (just an option) They are what I hunt squirrels with as they will not normally stick up in a live tree If I miss they just bounce and when you hit the squirrel it will penetrate but not usually pass through.
All in all when roving I would classify the judo the perfect point as the spring arms makes locating the arrows much easier. If you want to carry the spring arm one step further buy the ones with the extra long springs. Although the one draw back to those are they are more awkward to carry but they will not bury at all.
I use Judo points or put these adder points behind a field tip so they don't bury up in the grass or embed themselves too deep in a stump or log.
Like these--> http://www.bowhunterssuperstore.com/neet-adder-points-p-5816.html?osCsid=0e9245545e1b697af6e06aebdaa37e6b
Sounds like the judo are the ticket.
I shoot 125 gr. Judo points on my Easton aluminum Legacy 2016's at 45 lbs. Been shooting almost once every week since the beginning of January. My friends and I shoot everything (rotten stumps, clumps of leaves/grass, etc.). Haven't destroyed an arrow or Judo, but have lost a few. Stump shooting = a great time in the woods!
I've used Judos for years but this year I am trying out my new Small Game Thumpers(SGT). So far, so good. :thumbsup:
Im looking forward to this.
Do yourself a favor and try the RFA talons they are tougher than judos, and still do a great job of not skipping. Plus as a bonus Stan is doing a sale on them right now! 4 heads for the price of two.
I'm not saying judos are not good, they are, but I seem to go through them a lot faster than the other heads. We don't have many soft stumps in the Rocky's :)
I use hex heads and flat head field points. The flat head will make a hole the shaft size and is easily removed from the stump.I always break the prongs on the judo points when I use them.
You can always get a 145gr or larger field point and grind the tip flat on a bench grinder.
Conical blunts, Ace Hex, GameNabbers and Judos. All make good stumpers.
The GameNabbers are a good mix between cheap and effective. Good for stumps or bunnies and cost half what a Judo does.
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The other three in the image are my additional small-game heads.
QuoteOriginally posted by Killdeer:
I have gone to footed carbons and hex heads for stumping. They sure take some abuse!
Killdeer
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Judo's! I've killed alot of stumps and never lost a head.
They work great!
Jason
I have been shooting Judo's for a tad over 25 years and love them. They shoot just about as well as a field point. They can take a massive amount of abuse and i have not lost an arrow with a judo point on it in any condition ( not to include snow ).
Hex heads and the Red Feather talons are top notch also.
i use regular field points and hex heads. going to add alum footings to my arrows
HEX HEADS ,I FIND TO BE GOOD AND STRONG,FOR STUMPPIN OR SMALL GAME,,,
I admit to not reading this entire thread and to being out of trad for several years but does no one glue rifle or pistol cases to their old shafts for shooting small game and stumping any more... Almost everyone I knew did that in my younger years..
JUDO! the only point made for stumping! works great on small critters, too!
For general roving I use Judo points and my aluminum arrows. When actually shooting at stumps I use wood arrows with .38 casings.
If you smash a #4 split shot sinker in the bottom of a .38 casing you end up with a 125gr head.
QuoteOriginally posted by Javi:
I admit to not reading this entire thread and to being out of trad for several years but does no one glue rifle or pistol cases to their old shafts for shooting small game and stumping any more... Almost everyone I knew did that in my younger years..
Yep, I've used those also but I've smacked squirrels with them and they just ran up the tree and started barkin at me. Never had that problem with a judo and they just bounce off the trees without burying up. I shot a squirrel with the adder point behind a field tip and it went through him just like a miniature broadhead. It left about a nickle sized hole and he was dead right there. The adder points are fairly cheap and I've also found that they will keep an arrow from burying up under the grass to much.
If your on a budget the adder add ons are a cheap alternative to judos and they get the job done.
A few years back, someone was making a round ball head, about 3/8" dia. It worked great on soft wood as the head was bigger than the shaft.. However it skipped badly off of harder things, especially with a less than dead center hit.
End of the day I am a judo guy, never a failure although I have manged to loose a few, but that's just me.
Another vote for Judo's here. I can't think of a stumpshooting situation that I wished I had something else. They are not the easiest to carry in certain quivers though.
I have shot a ton of Judo tipped arrows. Rotten stumps are OK but the ones not yet rotten are tough on any arrow and point. I always shot wood arrows left a little long. That way when you hit something harder than anticipated and the point breaks off, retaper and reglue onto the now slightly shorter arrow.
QuoteOriginally posted by Randy Koleno:
Another vote for Judo's here. I can't think of a stumpshooting situation that I wished I had something else. They are not the easiest to carry in certain quivers though.
I was wondering bout that, seems like it would get frustrating putting in or taking out of a back quiver.