For those who have shot both, in your opinion, do the skinny ones penetrate better than the regular sized ones? Any problems with shooting broadheads? I only shoot 2 blade broadheads out of a 45lb bow. Thanks for your opinions on this topic
Rodney
They may penetrate a bit better with a field point but with a broadhead I would say it would be negligible. Shoot what flies best for ya! Shawn
Thanks again Shawn, I have always shot goldtip tradtionals but was curious about the penetration of the slim carbons. Thanks again for the PM about the arrows I was looking for.
Rodney
I have shot both and have gone back to the Axis/MFX shafts. I think they are tougher than most arrows and I do believe they penetrate a little better. Maybe on through a perfect chest shot....I mean an exit is an exit no matter how much "more" one penetrated. I think with a shot that accidently catches the back of the scapula or some other bone, the edge would go to the skinny shafts....
Of course shawn is right though, shoot whatever shoots the best for you!
Perfect arrow flight would be the #1 choice. If you have that with both, then skinnier is better, all else being equal.
I personally use Axis shafting. It flies great and is extremely durable. I've used AD Traditionals, Grizzly Sticks, Black Hawk Vapor Carbonwood and Beman MFX, but the Axis is what I've found works best for me.
Not only do the skinny shafts like the Axis penetrate better, they also don't get pushed as much by the wind..
beemans for me very tough fly great too the skinny dia. also puts the shaft closer to center as well great shaft!
carbon express's are my second choice good shaft beemans seem more durable on hard impacts!
Skinny is in for me,great flight,super penetration,and quick recovery around the riser makes it all a GO for me.
Good Shooting,
Craig
I agree with Shawn.
QuoteOriginally posted by monkeyball:
Skinny is in for me,great flight,super penetration,and quick recovery around the riser makes it all a GO for me.
Good Shooting,
Craig
X2 :thumbsup:
They do penetrate better, that is just physics... how much better on a live animal is always hard to say, but on foam, what I have seen, it is pretty clear.
Other than weight and maybe slightly better grading, what are the difference between Easton Axis and Beman MFX (Beman is owned by Easton)?
Do you guys have more problems with fletching and inserts on the skinny arrows?
QuoteOriginally posted by LimBender:
Other than weight and maybe slightly better grading, what are the difference between Easton Axis and Beman MFX (Beman is owned by Easton)?
Do you guys have more problems with fletching and inserts on the skinny arrows?
As far as I know, the Beman MFX Classic is basically an ST Axis with wood grain graphics applied. I may be mistaken though.
I have no problems at all with fletching or with inserts with my skinny Bemans.
Thanks again to all that responded.
Rodney
I agree with Shawn and Jason...arrow flight is paramount as well as accuracy and bhead sharpness...all else is a fraction of a difference...skinny is better.....less it breaks. I'd opt for durability on delivering the goods. Not saying skinny aint durable...heck if I know...been shooting Arrow Dynamics exclusively for 8 years or so....accurate, good flight and durable...not problem with penetration...BUT, I'm not shooting light draw weight bows either.
I have been shoting the Beman MFXs for a good while now and they are hard to beat in my opinion. They are very consistent in weight and spine as well apparently as I have never shot another carbon quite as well and I have tried a couple. They cost a few dollars more but to me are well worth it.
I've had good luck with most of my carbon shafts, right now I'm shooting Axis and I do notice a slight increase in penetration on my target, and they are super tough, I'll stick with these shafts for awhile...DB
Skinnier shaft behind the BH with less friction/drag through the animal should equate to better penetration. If I recall correctly the Ashby study talked about the benefit of using a shaft that was smaller in diameter than the ferrule of the BH. BH punches the hole and the narrow arrow follows with less drag, allowing the BH to penetrate better.
I've been using the easton FMJ's and really like em. Durable, narrow and relatively heavy.
Beman mfx classics for me! Tough as nails and penetrate very well on hard hits. The wood grain graphic adds the weight to the mfx and the axis shaft in the same spine size does not. If you want heavier, go with the bemans.
i use c`x "edge"hunters ( about the same size as mfx`s ) & they penetrate live game better than the heratage shafts i used before ,the shame is they dont make them anymore :banghead:
The beman mfx tough as nails.Lost a few but never broke one.The skinny diameter puts the arrow closer to center which many say helps arrow flight.
After useing several differnet shafts, I switched to these skinny tapering shafts called Airforce GT's. These arrows fly better than any other shaft I have shot, but!!!!!! They are expensive and they do not hold up. I broke many arrows. I have now switched back to the Arrowdynamic Trad Lites, which when outfitted with the brass insert and the G nock system, I found them to be the most durable shaft. When you pay a lot for a shaft, you want durability and they fly really well also. I do believe that the tapering shaft helps with penetration due to less drag as the arrow passes through. I like the skinny shaft concept, but I found that they just do not hold up as well. Just my 2 cents, but I have spent plenty figuring this out.
Also, I liked the flight and durability of the axis, but not to fond of the HIT insert.
Just shot both yesterday and my wider diameter/heavier carbons outpenetrated the skinny ones by about 3 inches.
All shot from same bow into straw bales.
My experience has been that the skinny shafts are easier for me to tune.
Thanks again for responding, I think I'm going to get the Bemans and give them a try. I'm sure I can sell them if I don't like them.
Rodney
QuoteOriginally posted by buckeye_hunter:
Just shot both yesterday and my wider diameter/heavier carbons outpenetrated the skinny ones by about 3 inches.
All shot from same bow into straw bales.
If the arrows were the same weight the skinny shafts would penetrate deeper. All else being equal the skinny shafts have a slight edge, but it is slight.
QuoteOriginally posted by Jim Wright:
I have been shoting the Beman MFXs for a good while now and they are hard to beat in my opinion. They are very consistent in weight and spine as well apparently as I have never shot another carbon quite as well and I have tried a couple. They cost a few dollars more but to me are well worth it.
As far as "trad" goes, I'm still a newbie in many regards. That being said, I'm a big fan of my MFX's. They fly really well. I'd compare them to the carbons out of my compound...much better than the aluminums I was shooting out of my longbow.
There was about 100 grain difference in the arrows.
Another vote for the Beman MFX shaft. They can really take a lot of abuse and after all the others are bent or broken, the Bemans are still flying like the day that I fletched them. Make sure that you buy some extra nocks, because they won't stand up to a field tip impacting them. :)
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i like the skinny ones also
Another favoring the Bwman MFX Classics. With a 100 grain brass insert they are hard to beat!
I have to agree with RXhntr. I tried some "skinny" shafts and just could not get friendly with them. They did not seem to perform as well as my AD's ( Nitro Stingers and Trad Lites) That being said, I am working on some PSE pro weave shafts. We'll see
To each his own. Get em flyin good with a sharp BH and everything else is moot....
FMJ with brass HIT insert and 175 grain point comes to about 16%+ on a .400(weight about 540) They seem to combine the best of both carbon and aluminum. The jacket seems to make them slicker and tougher. I had to try some since a good friend swears by them, and he's likely the best longbow shot I know and an extremely successful hunter. Wanted to know what he saw in them.
I have enough cedar, aluminum, and carbon shafts to be able to have tuned arrows for nearly any bow I shoot in this lifetime. So, I can't come to grips with changing to an arrow that's this expensive, especially since I want my stump shooting arrows to fly just like the others, and I can't spend $10 a piece for stumpers. There are a couple of other reasons, but they could be overcome if I got serious.
But they fly well out of a lot of bows & seem to uniformly outpenetrate heavier CX carbons when shot into my banded excelsior bales. If all my other shafts/arrows disappeared tomorrow and I had to start all over....I'd go with FMJs!
The Beman MFX Classic 500's with the 75gr. brass insert broke off to 50grs. shoot best in my bow.
But not by much over the Big Jim's 3555 blems. Trying to decide if they are worth the price difference.
Found some MFX 500 Bone Collector shafts for a good price $80 doz. w/$6 shipping...but not a sponsor and I'm a little leery. I haven't shot the Bone Collectors and they don't come with the brass inserts..they are the same size and weight, but with the regular Hit insert.
I've never used carfbons but is there any merit to try using as close to the same diameter of woods and aluminum if, like me, you want to use differnet type shafts without re-tuning? I use 11/32 and 2016's for my bows and they seem to fly the same without any chnged to tuning.
Thanks, I really appreciate everyones opinion on this subject. I have some beman classics on the way so I guess I'll get some hands on experience with them.
Rodney
I had a bit of an interesting experience out of my Treadway cut 1/8" before center. I have a couple MFX500's and they seem to be quieter, I'm wondering if the skinnier diameter makes a big difference in this bow cut before center?
Seems quieter than my GT3555's.. I may have to experiment some more.
QuoteOriginally posted by Javi:
Not only do the skinny shafts like the Axis penetrate better, they also don't get pushed as much by the wind..
For me, this is the single most noticeable difference. If you hunt or shoot in open country they are a good choice.
Like a lot of guys here, I like the Beman MFX classics. But you have shoot what flies the best out of your bow with you shooting it. Don't forget about aluminum. I shot an A&H ACS CX for 3 years and I shot it the best with Easton 1916's.
I think that I get better penetration with the skinny shafts.
Also, I like the smaller dia. because it allows the arrow to be closer to the riser. "More center shot" so ta speak. This allows me to gain better arrow flight from my non center shot longbows.
Jason