Hmm. ABS has this bow on their site, is it as cool as they claim? They have pretty mighty claims.
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If you do a search there have been some lengthy discussions on this item. However finding informed claims good or bad may be difficult.
You may need to look at spelling too.......................
I am shooting one now. Most of the old threads are useless concerning this bow since it was basically an OL Adcock and ABS and overseas bashing thread. I would love to talk about the bow itself and its attributes.
1. Qarbon Nano Grizz Stic bow was designed by Jim belcher(USA) and Win and Win( korea)for Alaska Bowhunting Supply
2. The bow is basically all carbon with foam lam limbs. very light
3. I found it extremly quick and very forgiving bow to shoot. As a garage bowyer myself, i could tell immediately that the limb construction and technology was way over my head. But i expected that from a leader in target archery such as the Win and Win
4. I LOVE the plunger. Prime example.. My Sitkas were shooting left 5" with a 175grain broadhead. i simply lighten the tension on plunger spring, BINGO arrow moved dead on. ready to go hog hunting!! 1 arrow tuning..
5. Appearance....well it's obvious this bow will not win the wood guys over. it looks modern. For a guy like me that works with wood daily and loves the look of a swirly piece of cocobolo urac 185 onto a slab of gaboon ebony, this carbon look grew on me quickly....the limbs have some type of halogram look....it looks expensive and well it is.
6. perfomance....i'm shooting a glove on rug rest 28" 530 grain arrow 182 fps at 50# on a $100 chrono. Also it throws an arrow straight.. no twist in cast in these limbs, thats the forgiving part....i shoot 3 under or split and still shoot a bullet hole in my paper test.
7. cost at 1499. it's expensive sure but i not sure if there is another all carbon bow out there? i see some for $1200 with actionwood risers.....
8. Shortcomings....ABS admits they would want a stablilzer bushing next time and maybe incorporate the international bow limb thing ma jig specs....but thats it.
9. probably need to mention again...OL Adcock has nothing to do this bow or design...let me say this again....OL Adcock bow does not exist . that project was scrapped......great
10. I believe this bow was built for guys and gals coming off of compounds and trying trad archery but wanting to have some control. A set limb skins hides my glossy limbs and ready to stick a pig.
I never have had a hunting bow with target accuracy...this bow fits that bill.
QuoteOriginally posted by Bjorn:
You may need to look at spelling too.......................
Thats how its spelled on the ABS site, professor.
Thanks, Joebuck. Thats what I was wanting to know. I have often thought of converting a target bow into a hunting bow, and it seems that W&W did just that.
Rick Belcher or JIm Belcher? Either way I respect joebuck's review, although I did mention him in the redneck thread :bigsmyl: A bow that needs more exposure so we can get more hands on reports and reviews before we settle on a yea or nay.
Joe,
I think that Jim Belcher would like credit rather then Rick Belcher.
Mike
Wingnut, I am also VERY interested in the Dryad ILF. I sent you an e-mail a while back...
My apologies Spectre, I stand corrected. Thank you.
Me tooooooo! thanks guys..
Jim Belcher Bows...........not Rick...i edited my original
QuoteOriginally posted by Bjorn:
My apologies Spectre, I stand corrected. Thank you.
No worries. Nothing a wee dram won't remedy.
After a long wait for the bow I was very impressed with it's quatlity. I've shot a dale dye recurve for the past 15 years and wanted to play with something new.. The Nano is very very light, almost too light when first picking it up, but after the first shot you realize how much design and research went into it.. No hand shock. The only other long bow I've ever shot that did the same thing was an old 21st Century..this carbon bow is remarkable.. As far as traditionalism goes, we shoot carbon arrows, why not carbon bows? How does that plunger thingy work anyway? Old school needs help on that thing..
Good to hear some reports on the new bow. I have to say at $1,500 I won't be buying one anytime soon. I can get two full on customs for the price of that bow. On the other hand, if I hunted high mountains and 20 miles in the extra light bow would make sense.
Informative and interesting feedback.
ttt for those asking...
Well done review Joey. Thank you.
Joey...you are letting facts get in the way of a good argument!
This has nothing to do with O.L. Adcock or the fact that the bow is imported but allowing myself one PERSONAL opinion, the bow is just plain high tech ugly! That said, consider nothing else but the claims Alaska Bowhunting Supply makes on their website. They call the bow "super light" at 31.9 ounces. My Cocobolo/Yew Toelke "Whip" weighs 19 ounces. Quoting A.B.S., "the limbs are amazing, especially with heavy arrows like the grizzly sticks" and that the limbs are "specifically designed to cast our heavy tapered grizzly sticks hard". When they come to chronograph results however it becomes "I.B.O. speeds are what everyone seems to compare with these days" and then show a number of speeds obtained with extremely LIGHT arrow weights that would normally be shot through a compound except for one set. With a pair of limbs that draw 54 pounds at 28" and a 539 grain arrow or a "10 to 1" set up, they obtain 183/184 f.p.s. with a mechanical release which translates to 178/179 f.ps. with fingers. This is good but certainly not amazing performance. There are quite a few wood/glass laminated d/r longbows that will match this performance and a smaller number of them along with many with some carbon that will better it. Considering that you could typically buy or come close to buying two of these bows for what one of the A.B.S. bows cost, where do you find $1500.00 worth in one of them?
"the bow is just plain high tech ugly!"...Amen to that.
Sounds like a good bow. Just not for me.
Such a price tag! Ouch! :scared: Who are they marketing to anyway?!
Jim,
Excellent points and well said, I don't see the justification for the price. I bet my Critter Gitter can at the very least match the performance.
joebuck, I don't have a dog in this fight. I think bjorn was referring to Win-Win Corp. not ABS. I could be wrong. A bowyer friend of mine recently shot a Nano in Michigan and gave it a favorable review. As someone else reported, for someone interested in a lightweight, seemingly bombproof rig, this could be the ticket. I would agree that the numbers for fps as reported are respectable not not necessarily amazing. It sounds like the Qarbon Nano has many outstanding and exciting qualities that will the meet the needs of certain bowhunters, just like so many of our other trad options.
howdy Mike, your right!
speaking of ABS, Ole Ed Schlief donated his time and dime this weekend for bowhunting by volunteering to do a seminar at the Pope and Young banquet. " do it Yourself Alaska Bowhunting trip"
Let me say that I have had some dealings with the folks at A.B.S. and was very well treated, there was an oversight on someone's part on their end in getting a "test kit" of grizzly sticks to me and when it was discovered they over-nighted it to me and refused to let me pay, they were more than fair.
I hope the point I tried to make in my previous post is recognized which is I.M.H.O. the price of the Quarbon Nano is ridiculous. When a custom bowyer in this country can set up a business with the tools and machinery required, advertise, buy expensive exotic woods and create a one of a kind work of art and ship it to you for the prices they charge, it is again in my opinion ridiculous that a product not custom made but mass produced by people making wages that you would starve to death here on costs roughly twice as much! On top of this, the bow while doubtless a fine shooter offers no apparent advantage over the custom alternative made by an American craftsman.
I have read many reviews on this bow and what surprises me is how they hype the light weight and amazing speeds, sorry many bows will match it in speed and if the 31 ounces is correct, their are a ton of longbows that are lighter as well. Even many recurves that light. Price, well if someone is willing to pay whatever price for any bow that is up to them. Heck if I had a ton of money I would probably buy one just to see if the hype is real for myself. I don't so I will just sit back and read what everyone else thinks!(LOL!) Shawn
In a sport where most of us will walk miles to find a single barred turkey feather to make our own fletching than buy one from the "compound shop" the Nano price tag is up there. But consider this for a moment
materials: carbon lams and solid carbon riser. what was last price any of us paid for a solid piece of carbon at local hardware store or even Bingham that make our own bows? foam cores? Don't even know where to get that. better yet who else is making this exact composite longbow? Wonder why
R and D. 2 or 3 scrapped projects, dozens of cad drawings. Months of months of leg work to assemble right players.
Business Overhead....advertising costs, packageing, travel. how many of us have flown to Asia a dozen times last year and stayed weeks at a time? Insurance?
But why overseas? please call ABS collect and give then the number of a company you know in the states that can manufacture an all Carbon bow...
maybe there is a dollar or two left to pay yourself and your wife a salary .
how many of us have started a bow company up from the ground? I tried once out of garage in Newnan Ga.....short lived.
I had to buy a carbon liner to go under my insole of my shoe(arthritis). For just one shoe it was $87. Some of the best money I ever spent!!!
QuoteOriginally posted by joebuck:
carbon lams and solid carbon riser. what was last price any of us paid for a solid piece of carbon at local hardware store or even Bingham that make our own bows?
Excellent point. Where would one order such a riser blank?
Bill, with all due respect and to make a point, you were not buying a piece of carbon material, you were buying a finished insole probably manufactured overseas by people again working for wages that you and I would starve here on. It was then imported and marked up to yet another ridiculous price. Would it not have still been some of the best money you ever spent had it been more reasonably priced?
Joey, I am sure you would agree that there are a number of custom bowyers here who have experience incorporating carbon into their bow designs. Is it not entirely possible that the reason no one has attempted here or out-sourced the manufacture of an all carbon bow before was that they did not believe such a bow would offer any real advantage in weight, shooting characteristics or performance? This seems to me to be exactly what chronograph tests and bow specs that A.B.S. uses in their own advertising proves.
Let's arrange a lynching for every bowyer whose advertisements we don't agree with. That would be quite some line! I see advertisements all the time from bowyers who claim fast bow speeds, quiet bows, smooth drawing, no hand-shock, etc that I would take exception with. Those who think too much money is being charged for the product have no knowledge of how businesses operate. A lot of time and effort has gone into the development of this bow and those costs need to be recouped. Some would like to have us think that starving, half-naked 7 year old kids are chained in a Korean factory making these bows for 5 cents a day wages. I'm quite happy with my ACS bows made in the good ole US of A but would have no issues whatsoever trying the ABS bow. By the way, ABS donated a bow, half-dozen grizzly stick arrows, and a half-dozen of their over-priced broadheads to the Pope and Young convention auction last weekend.
Thanks all for the additional specs on this bow. It's disappointing it's both heavier and slower, on top of costing twice as much as a high end production recurve. Well, the pictures look nice, anyway.
Jim, I beg to differ. It was a carbon plate that he cut to the shape of my foot with a jig saw. I do not know where it was manufactured.
Bill, I apologize and stand corrected, I should have thought before I assumed anything concerning your foot care.
So basically what I'm getting is that because this bow is made of super materials and there was much R and D, that justifies the price ? For me Function rules over anything else, so the question for me is 1,500, is it going to enable me to shoot better than any of my other bows that at best cost half as much. And I mean significantly better not just a little better.
Very interesting, but I think not for me. I love the look of fine wood too much.
joebuck: nice review
I never thought this thread would turn into a justification of the bow's existence or not. Should they have made it or shouldn't they? Does it cost too much or not?
wow...had to check and see if i was on TG, for a moment i thought i was on the LW.
I think what we are trying to say is simple, a bow that expensive should live up to it's hype. No one questions whether it should be made or not.
No it can't be the LW, if it was, there would be a lot more name calling and swearing. This is just a healthy discussion.
Well said Joebuck, glad you're liking the Bow !!
Spectre asked for a review of the bow. If you don't have valid input on that then why post on it. If the price is not what you consider good ok shoot the bow you have. There are thousands of good ones out there. Let's let him get the info he was looking for. Please.
Amen, Randy. I enjoyed the review, and it made me realize that, although the bow appears to be a very nice one, I probably won't buy one myself. I have bought other ABS products and have never thought any of them were unfairly priced, even though some of them were expensive as a result of their high quality. We are fortunate to have the variety of products available to us today that were not around just a few years ago. This trad archery thing is really catching on. :thumbsup: I only started doing it about 53 years ago, before it was "traditional".
Allan
QuoteOriginally posted by LongStick64:
I think what we are trying to say is simple, a bow that expensive should live up to it's hype. No one questions whether it should be made or not.
Have you seen the price tag on a new Habu? Seriously... people have to get over the whole price thing... the primitive guys have us nailed on that... especially when people want to talk function over form.
Irregardless of cost... if you want it buy it... shoot the bow... if you like it then it was money well spent. If the tax man was a bit friendlier to me this year I would have entertained the thought of getting one of these.
Good luck in your quest bro.
Kawika
hello gentlemens, no pics to look at one in the "real world" ?
THank you !
Why does this happen everytime?
Good review Joe,as well as other points made.
I have seen and shot the bow and it is NOT heavy,It feels very feather lite and well balanced in the hand but at the shot it feels very solid. It is a very nice bow and good looking in it's own style. The only bow that is in the same design class is the A&H with the all composite riser,I think that bow is very solid to shoot.About the same money also.(i think).
The ABS bow is pretty cool Specter,try to lay your hand on it and ring it out. Thanks for putting this back on task Randy. That horse needs some rest.
Chuck
P.S. Good morning all!
Don't know if I'd ever buy such a bow, but I appreciate folks who push the envelope of what is currently available. Not every 'push' is successful in terms of market acceptance. But we always learn something from the experiment. A couple of examples might help.
Dave Sousa (DAS and then Dalaa bows) was not the first to ever think of trying to capture some of the olympic target bow features in a hunting bow. But he got the market thinking about it, and now look at the number of traditional bowyers offering ILF limbs and risers as options.
I was recently discussing availability of exotic hardwoods with a bowyer based in Ohio. He had produced a really nice takedown recurve using a lot of outstanding tulipwood. He mentioned all the sources of tulipwood he had previously used were telling him it had become very scarce and what supply remained was not that highly figured and was getting very expensive. They did not know if the supply would ever recover. So what might we in traditional archery do if the materials of current choice become unavailable to us because of price and/or supply issues? A bow made of all man made materials might come in pretty handy.
I think ABS should be congratulated for trying to move the bar of what's possible. If their efforts don't float your boat, then exercise your economic vote by buying something else.
Any body else with hands on experience?
Any other reviews? Comments by others who have shot the bow?
I was looking HARD at getting one. But went with a USA made ACS instead.
Interesting bow, thanks for the review.
Great review, and my only thought really is... doesn't seem very much like a stick and a string at all. But they are interesting.
I have been waiting for the discussion to come up on this "new" bow. Right from the start I noted that their "speed" was due mostly to the "IBO" weight standard (wayyy too light an arrow for anything but frogs)! Too many folks today seem to think that carbon is the answer, sometimes I see it as just an excuse, to justify price. Mr. Wright hit the nail on the head with his asessment, too much money, not enough "tradition". Thanks, but no thanks!
All you folks that bitch & whine about the price of every new bow that comes out....Do you ever lookat other high-end (& not so high-end) bow prices? I'm thinking Morrison, A & H, Dale Dye, Rose Oak, Acadian, hell even the Bear Take downs run you near $1500.
Face it, good bows cost money.
Fancy woods, inlays, pierce points etc... do not make a bow any better, just more expensive.
The R&D that goes into building a new concept bow like the Quarbon has to be paid for somehow.
If you don't want to pay for that, fine, but stop bashing manufacturers for setting their prices as they see fit.
I agree with you Rob but which Bear takedown costs $1500? Last I saw they were $799.
I got a chance to spend some time with Joebucks abs bow . I shot it for about 2 hrs, while he took his kids to a little league game. The fact that I shot for 2 hrs says something for it. very pleasant to shoot. speed was good for the arrow I was shooting. It was 55lb I think and the arrows Joey had were right around the 10 to 12 gpp weight. The bow was light in the hand and quiet for a bow with no string silencers. I like the ability to put a plunger on the bow and still shoot off the rest. I actually tuned it to shoot my arrows (axis 400 with 300 gns up front) while Joey was gone. I wonder if he's noticed that the spring tension has been changed. LOL . Price is right on line ,IMO, of a bow of this caliber. This is a nice bow, but If your looking for something to shoot 200fps + with a 10 gpp arrow, you might want to check out a Mathews or Bowtech. Don Batten
QuoteOriginally posted by East Coast archer:
I agree with you Rob but which Bear takedown costs $1500? Last I saw they were $799.
Just checked 3R site & I stand corrected. I could've sworn the last time I looked (admittedly, a while back) they were nearly twice that :confused: Must be getting myself all discombobulated.
They had a premium take down or something like that before they released their 2011 lineup. Had zebra wood and rose wood and goodies like that. Was around 1500 I believe.
A-HA! Thought so :D
I liked the look of the bow and I also like all wood bows. If it were ILF I would have seriously considered it as I have a heap of ILF limbs to play with. I also recently bought one of the high end ILF hunting rigs from a bowyer in Scotland. This bow is a triple carbon riser with Carbon foam limbs. It ran me nearly $1500. The adjustability, adaptability, quality and performance certainly justify the price and yes I have owned and or shot quite a few high end all wood custom bows.
I can certainly see the value in the ABS bow but I honestly think they would have been better going ILF for this type of bow.
Good bows do cost money.
You can get 2 good Bear T/D's for the same price, made in the US.
You can get 2 great looking Centaur's with better performance for the same price made in the US.
You can get a dozen or more nice looking wood/glass bows with your choice of woods and grip that have better performance for half of the price. All made in the US.
You can also get 3 - 5 ugly Korean bows with similar performance that are actually ILF compatible for the same price.
What's not to like about the new Korean Qarbon Nano?