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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: **DONOTDELETE** on March 04, 2011, 05:52:00 AM
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Does anyone still make these?
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As far as I know the Easton Legacies are the only ones left.
Larry
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Roger, a guy at our club gets them from somewhere in Ohio. I will check with him and get back to you.
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Roger, sent you a PM
Jerry
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Mikes Archery on the web. It is not a listed service so you will have to call them. They charge $12 a dozen and can swage any Easton shaft.
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Thanks guys, I will contact Mikes. Offhand, does anyone know if they are spun or true impact swagging?
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Hey Roger
In real life it really doesnt matter. In the past 20 yrs I've had several dozen of both and they are both way stronger than any insert or adapter. I've killed an equal number of shafts stump shooting big rocks and iron deer, both usually just crinkle right behind the head and cant remember ever actually breaking one on anything. An early TBM article (early 90s) had the article on both and the hammer swaged was stronger but both were 2 or 3 times stronger than inserts. Now the sizes I use are 2016,2018,2020,2117,2216 and 2219 so they all have fairly thick shaft walls. I'm not sure if the thinner walls as as durable. I have thought about having a 5 degree chuck made and trying it myself but dont have the space to do it yet.........YMMV
John
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Roger,
Mike's are spun. He does a great job.
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My family has shot spin swaged for years and never had a problem. I also don't know any vendor who does hammer swaging now or then. There was jig offered at some time that allowed you to spin swage on a drill press. It might be worth tracking one down for anyone interested in doing their own.
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I have Mike's Archery out of Ironton, Ohio do all my swagging. Does a great job at a decent price.
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Roger, that's the place.
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What ever happened to Rich Unger at RJ Archery. I know the business closed a while back but I've always wondered what he did with the swaging machine. His work was great.
And of course I think he was mentioned in the article mentioned above, singing praises for true swaging, not spin forming. Blast from the past.
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If you buy the jig you need to make sure your drill press is at lest 1 hp and the table will need to be real sturdy or it will give and the swage will come out crooked. I have a crastman drill press and I had to beef it up on the table. But the jig works great.
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Where can a person get the jig?
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My question too. I was also thinking of using a 7 X 12 metal lathe with a 3 jaw self centering chuck instead of a drill press.
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I got mine out of Norman Archery in Oklahoma City
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THREAD JACK
I have had a bit of trouble with mine. They will form a out-bulging behing the head. Then the slightest pressure against the head laterally will snap the head off. Anyone else been there?
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brian; I had the same problem with the ones i purchased from rich unger, also had trouble aligning the broadhead due to the bulge. no such problem with the spin swage. Mike is the best at this! I now have my own swager and do my own , but would not hesitate to recommend or use Mike myself.
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I thought I bought some from Lamont Granger. You might want to check the Footed Shaft.
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Nice to see this topic....lots of dead animals in history with swaged shafts. I thought these were forgotten about. :campfire:
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I use to shoot swaged 2016's with 5/16 Howard Hill 145gr broadheads and they were a deadly combination and penetrated almost as good as my Beman MFX carbons. I always loved not worrying about loose point's and having a direct connection.
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Got my wheels turning................
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I'm bringing this back to the top. I'm interested in getting some some of the Easton GG 500's from that place in OH and would like to read more feedback. I see 12.00 as being cheaper than inserts or the glue-on adapters...and may even consider adding a footing from a larger Easton shaft just behind the point to really add some strength.
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I've got some 2018's woodgrain swaged shafts that are cut to 27" and are overspined for my bow. i'm thinking i need to get some heavy broadheads to give these a try on some hogs because of the positives posted.
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Originally posted by Terry Green:
Nice to see this topic....lots of dead animals in history with swaged shafts. I thought these were forgotten about. :campfire:
Ditto, I used to use Easton Autumn Orange shafting that was swaged and it was a great arrow. Then I switched to tapered cedar from Kustom King Arrows(yup, used to be Arrows instead of Archery), then to carbon and now back to wood again. Anyway, it was always fun putting a Zwickey Delta two blade broadhead on a swaged arrow and watching it spin true versus trying to monkey with inserts and seeing if you'd get lucky on the first try mounting it.
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Glad to see this topic !! Trying to decied on the arrows I want to shoot the new heavy Hunters from Gold Tip or good old swaged Legacy's. Like carbons but too light without insert tubes (problems with them popping out) woodies for me are another story all together ( alot of ceder smelling kindling ! LOL) I've done some shopping with Mike's place and is REAL NICE to deal with that is for sure.
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We offer swagging serve at the Footed Shaft. Give me a call at 888-288-7582. Terry
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Come November, by Gene Wensel, page 243.
"True, professional compression swaging for aluminum arrows"
R J Archery
PO Box 697
Hamilton, MT 59840
The number in his book is not correct. It has been reissued to another party.
I haven't tried them, but sure sounds like a good idea still has some life left.
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Thanks for the post the Footed Shaft is fantastic...
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After a little Google time I figured out what a Swaged arrow is....
Now the weird part is just the other day I was gluing on some nock and thought...."damn it would be a lot easier if all I had to do next was glue my head on!...."
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I didn't mean to kill this thread...... Y'all need to keep talking so I can learn more. :campfire: :campfire:
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Easton Legacies are the only shaft out there I am still aware of and they are only made like that on the nock end.
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Can someone post what these jigs look like? I am curious.
I stocked up on swaged arrows many years ago, but am beginning to get down to my last dozen or two. I love the rigidity of the broadhead, and how the arrows fly true.
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I have some 2018 classics for sale in the classifieds that were swaged by the Footed Shaft.
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Mike i'll try and post what my Spin Swager tool looks like. (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x132/recurvehunter_2007/P1020116.jpg). The clamp with front of arrow sticking out about 7/8". (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x132/recurvehunter_2007/P1020119-1.jpg)The actual Swager is the little round drum like gadget to the right of the clamp. I will try to remember to take some pics of some arrows I need to swage for a tutorial ,shor :coffee: tly.
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This is great stuff Sergio! :campfire:
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Swaged shafts are great. I used to use them exclusively before my supplier went out of business - who remembers Vics Archery in Grand Rapids.
If you are going to use them, keep in mind that the thicker walled shafts work a lot better. I used swaged 2216 shafts for a long time, switched to 2018 shafts and the swage is a lot stronger. Swaged 2020s are about as strong an arrow as you can get.
Does anyone know if the spin swager tools are still available, I would like to find one if they are. Sergio, I look forward to a tutorial.
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I too used to use swaged shafts from Vic. Strong and perfect alignment every time. Vic was a tool & die man and made his own tooling. I shot a big buck straight down witha swaged, Snuffer tipped 2217 and buried it in the bucks shoulder. I still have that arrow and it still spins perfect. #64 lb. bow
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Tom; Vic is the person that i purchased my Swager from . any idea as to his whereabouts now? Vic also hunted Moose with VERY light Bows and heavy arrows. Nice man.
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Vic was a great guy with a huge trad archery shop near Grand Rapids. I have no idea of his whereabouts. I think he retired. I was hoping he might show up here one day. Your swager is top notch.
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Man do I remember Vic's. I only went in there a few times though. They closed down my sophomore year at GV.
I'm still very interested in these. Thinking about getting a dozen Gamegetter 500's to play around with.
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This is the kind of thread that just kills me. I read it a couple of days ago. Now I have this little voice in my head saying "you need a dozen swaged 2020s to compare to the carbons you are shooting". The voice is going to gnaw away at me until I have spent more time and money than I should messing with aluminum arrows again, repeating something I probably did 25 years ago. I probably need professional help...
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Originally posted by last arrow:
This is the kind of thread that just kills me. I read it a couple of days ago. Now I have this little voice in my head saying "you need a dozen swaged 2020s to compare to the carbons you are shooting". The voice is going to gnaw away at me until I have spent more time and money than I should messing with aluminum arrows again, repeating something I probably did 25 years ago. I probably need professional help...
This is funny! I thought I was the only one that had that problem :knothead:
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TTT
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Sergio - Thanks for the post with the pics. I look forward to the tutorial as well to see it in action. Please post a link, if not posted here.
I have a local machinist who would love this sort of project. Not looking to steal anyones patented design, but they seem to be out of stock everywhere else.
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I bought 2 dozen Classics from RJ archery back in the early 1990's. I still have 8 left. I found a couple dozen Classics a couple years ago along with a couple dozen Legacy shafts. I dropped them off at The Footed Shaft to have swaged. I should be set for another couple decades or so now.
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Can someone please post a pic of some swages shafts and some with the points in?
I'm having trouble trying to picture exactly what it would look like.
Thank you!!!
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It looks like the point taper on a wood arrow. And then you use glue on points.
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got it...was picturing the end of the shaft compressed where a screw in point could be inserted and glued in. didn't understand the advantage of doing something like that.
Now I get it!
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