I know why I love bowhunting. It is the same reason you all do. The challenge of getting close to the animal we hunt and the hopes of getting the string drawn back!
My concerns are this....
Has it gotten so that we MUST kill a deer ie...
I cannot watch any more shows on the hunting channels. They are making me sick to my stomach with all ranch hunting over bait and the Bait commercials!!! The worst being comere deer!
Lots of these so called celebrities are endorsing it and it's sad because most of the youth coming into this magical sport watch these shows and this is what they learn to do. I do however enjoy Fred Eichler's show. I have not seen him use bait yet and he uses a traditional bow most times. I am not trying to be controversial but it seems to me that they are endorsing taking the Hunt out of bowhunting, the ARCH out of archery and the THRILL of a beating heart, especially when a deer comes down a path that you thought about cutting a shooting lane for when you hung your stand and figured not to because it would expose you too much and left you with no shot at all!
Your thought's.......Philip
It's not hunting, it's snuff porn with animals. Disgusting, and the worst thing that could have happened to hunting in general. There are a few programs that are well done, but most of it is pure trash. The few good ones can never make up for the bad impression that the bad ones make. If ethical hunters don't like it, just imagine the impact on non-hunters!
Good for you. Killing sells products. Not to me.
The deal with hunting shows; its all about marketing, who can bring in the most bucks..green ones and horned ones...In a big company you have to wonder how many of the ceo's worry about "sport" versus quarterly figures.
Blame also has to be placed with today's average hunter, He/she wants to get in, get the deer, then go back to the life attached to the laptops and crackberrys..advertisements target this (back to the bucks) and if joe blow sees 10 people in a weekend harvesting 130 class deer or bigger he is more likely to purchase the product. Joe doesn't realize what it takes to manage quality habitat, genetics, forage crops, hunting pressure etc..
In my opinion the worst celebrity is Michael Waddel. (sp?) To me he is the portrait of today's teenagers and college kids..He goes out brings his handheld playstation/nintendo thingamajiggy and doesn't pay attention to anything til he is alerted by his camera crew there is this monster buck walking through the fenced area,...
nevermind getting aquainted with the environment, learning the terrain, patterning animals
I am glad to hear that you feel like I do. I was worried that I might ruffle somebody's feathers, which is not my intention.
I truly feel that the current trend will rob the new bowhunters of learning and enjoying the challenge of bowhunting.
By far the worst commercial I have seen besides the baiting ones is the one regarding scent free hunting clothing!!!!
There motto is "Forget the wind and just hunt".
This makes me wanna vomit! Like all of you, I have learned the hard way.......The wind tells us where not to go!
I don't care what your wearing.
This kind of nonsense is not teaching the new bowhunters to free their minds and SEE what's going on in the timber.......
It was a crummy weekend (snow with 50 mph gusts!) and my wife was amazed that even I got so I couldn't stand the hunting shows and turned them off. I get so tired of the whispering dribble. Man, I find that annoying. They should just over-dub a voice in the post-production studio.
Not a good showing from the bowhunters, either. Several misses and an unrecovered animal. But no traditional equipment (big surprise).
I stopped watching them years ago for the very reasons stated. I just can't stand watching all the BS.
This is a fantastic site and delighted to be onboard with you all........
It's all about the $$$$$$$$$ on those shows. They can't have the shows without the sponsors and can't have sponsors unless they plug the products. I don't hardly watch any of them any more.
Bisch
I am seriously considering canceling my subscription to the hunting show network.
A better question: what ISN'T happening on the outdoor shows--respect, appreciation (not canned), hard work, true experience. I also hate the loud rock music.
These shows are pure garbage.I'd like to think that some of the big name hunters,at one time gave a hoot about what REAL hunting is about.I once read that if anti-hunters gave Stephen Spilbeirg a 3 million dollar budget to make a movie to disgrace hunting,he could not top what comes on the "outhouse" channel every day!
The kill is anticlimactic. The attraction of hunting is the challenge, friends, peace of nature, getting away from the day to day of life. I want to hunt untouched land; to scout; to set a stand; to ambush; to stalk. I don't want to pay my money to go to a large buck ranch set in established blinds, or be guided.
Too many shows have poor photography, poor acting, poor shots. Don't care for the recreations of the hunts. Can't stand the line..."Great shot".
if baiting is legal in the area they hunt i dont have a problem.
that being said i cant stand hunting shows on TV. those bone collecter guys drive me nutz and dont even get me started on ralphand vicki from archers choice. lots of horrible hunting shows just meant to push the living heck out of products. i liked tred bartas show, fred eichlers show and heartland bow hunters is pretty well done.
I may view this a little different. These shows are strictly for entertainment and not a how to guide and they sure sell products. Some are not worth watching but I have a remote. I would not won't them off the air. Some people may like them. I would object if others got to decide the shows I get to watch based on their own preferences. As far as the products sold.... In the words of the late great P.T.Barnahm, "It's morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money."
tv hunting is the single biggest threat to fair chase hunting. The general publics perception is that we are all alike
Ditto to Vintage-bear...maybe I'm old school, but they completely miss the opportunity to provide a true hunting and teaching experience
To each their own and they must make someone happy (and good for them) but I cant watch em.
They are a 30 minute product infomercial finished off with a guy shooting a huge deer on a leash at some silly distance. Then commenting on "whoo huntin hard paid off". Yes the UTV drive out to a heated stand shooting a domesticated deer hopped up on nutrients and steroids like cattle was grueling for you I'm sure!
Or as someone commented "great shot" or "smoked em" drives me batty, I didnt realize a gut shot, spine shot, or a quartering to shot with a bow and the arrow sticking out 2/3 was smoking em or great.
I'll have to keep an eye out for Eichler's show and give that one a chance.
When they give you their "tip of the week", it kinda makes me throw up in the back of my mouth a little bit.
Pure trash...with the exception of Fred's show.
So glad to hear all your responses.
I often watch the old Fred Bear (my mentor) hunts (now on dvd by the way) to get back in the soul of true TRADITIONAL bowhunting.
A time when you dressed in green plaid or bought surplus army jackets at your local Triangle stores (here in NY) to blend a little better in the timber.
The Fred Bear Sports Club was a terrific idea and the new bowhunters should READ it's pledge as a member. This pledge should be ingrained in all bowhunters in my opinion.
I know this sounds a little childish but it is very important for the future of bowhunting and our image as such.......
Nothing but an enormous infommercial IMO. I do like Uncle Ted, though--he is crazy as all get out, but, he seems to be an ethical hunter who eats what he shoots.
Some are good... some are not so good... my approach is if I like it I watch it... if I don't I flip the channel... easy as that.
Got remote?
I really can't watch Eichler's show because he goes crazy. I appreciate the enthusiasm but it's a bit much for me. The only show I watch is backland country. He has a respect for traditional archery (even makes his own arrows and flint heads) and most of all, the animals. I enjoy hunting but have a great respect for the animals I'm hunting. I have yet to scream "smoked em!" when I shoot something. I call that linebacker hunting and am just waiting for a chest bump or two when I've watched those shows. I watched the DVR'd backland from this last week and scott anderson actually said a blessing over the animal and hunter who took him. I apprecaite that kind of message and I think it's a much better representation of what I am about as a hunter.
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Nothing but an enormous infommercial IMO. I do like Uncle Ted, though--he is crazy as all get out, but, he seems to be an ethical hunter who eats what he shoots.
I used to think he was ethical also until I read he was charged and plead guilty to illegally baiting deer. Ironically he was caught from a hunt he filmed for his show and the authorities moved in. For those interested in what he was using...... "comerdeer".
No joke, it's in the article. I will search it and post the article and publication
While there are still a handful of good hunting programs out there, I agree that most are garbage (and a few even give garbage a bad name). But even among the good programs, in my opinion very few stack up against DVD's like Primal Dreams or Bowhunting Relections. Unlike the television programs, when I view these DVD's it is clearly evident that what I am watching comes from the heart. Because of that viewers can be confident that they are watching a way of life rather than being sold a bill of goods.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Spectre:
Nothing but an enormous infommercial IMO. I do like Uncle Ted, though--he is crazy as all get out, but, he seems to be an ethical hunter who eats what he shoots.
I used to think he was ethical also until I read he was charged and plead guilty to illegally baiting deer. Ironically he was caught from a hunt he filmed for his show and the authorities moved in. For those interested in what he was using...... "comerdeer".
No joke, it's in the article. I will search it and post the article and publication [/b]
I would be interested to see that, one would think a story like that would make national headlines considering Ted's open participation in the Tea Party movement.
I googled it and it's all over the net.
He killed an illegal deer and illegally baited the animal. 8/18/2010
His photographer also killed an illegal deer during the same (hunt).
He was infact caught when the game wardens saw his show.
He plead guilty and paid the fines $1750.00
Very Interesting indeed.......
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MARYSVILLE, CA - Rock star and hunting enthusiast Ted Nugent pleaded no contest last week to charges stemming from a television appearance earlier this year that showed the rocker using forbidden methods to kill a young deer.
An attorney for Nugent, 61, entered the plea in Yuba County Superior Court Friday to misdemeanor counts of baiting a deer and not acquiring an authorized signature after killing a deer, according to California Department of Fish and Game spokesman Patrick Foy.
Foy said the case started when two California game wardens saw Nugent kill a young deer with a bow and arrow in Yuba County on Nugent's Outdoor Channel series "Spirit of the Wild" last February.
"They watched him appear to shoot a spiked buck, which is an illegal buck to take, because it's too small. And he had it right there on television, and it wasn't live, it was taped," Foy said.
On the show, Nugent is shown using a commercial deer bait called "C'mere Deer" to lure a young buck, then shooting the animal with a bow and arrow. Using bait to entice animals for hunting purposes is illegal in California.
Nugent also pleaded to failing to get his hunting tag countersigned, which means that while the killing of the deer itself may have been legal, Nugent did not receive a signature from an authorized individual to confirm the kill's legality. The other counts against Nugent were dropped as part of the plea agreement, including charges of killing a deer too young to be hunted, Foy said.
In a deal negotiated by his attorney, Nugent pleaded guilty to two of the nine charges he initially faced.
Nugent, who did not appear in court last week, must pay a $1,750 fine for the case to be complete, Foy said.
"We were disappointed because he had been an advocate for hunting, so for him to make this decision was very disappointing," Foy said.
Sacramento bow hunter Oscar Ramirez said local hunters were stunned by Nugent's actions.
"To do something illegal and put it on the show was very disappointing. it absolutely, as a hunter, is difficult to hear that," Ramirez said.
Nicknamed the "Motor City Madman," Nugent has sold over 30 million albums over his four-decade career as the guitarist and singer behind such 70s hits as "Cat Scratch Fever" and "Stranglehold."
In recent years, Nugent has been an outspoken advocate for conservative views and an ardent supporter of hunting and gun ownership rights.
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QuoteOriginally posted by vintage-bears:
I googled it and it's all over the net.
He killed an illegal deer and illegally baited the animal. 8/18/2010
His photographer also killed an illegal deer during the same (hunt).
He was infact caught when the game wardens saw his show.
He plead guilty and paid the fines $1750.00
Very Interesting indeed.......
The sites that carry this story are "celebrity mound", "Opposing views", and "The Truth about guns". Celebrity gossip rags at best. Again, if this were truth, it would have been all over the mainstream media----recently(8-18-2010)considering his involvement with Sarah Palin and the Tea Party movement. This would have been front page news.
On to Snopes with me.....the investigation continues..
Stumpkiller, that link seems legitimate enough. Hmm. Good sleuthing!
The sites that carry this story are "celebrity mound", "Opposing views", and "The Truth about guns". Celebrity gossip rags at best. Again, if this were truth, it would have been all over the mainstream media----recently(8-18-2010)considering his involvement with Sarah Palin and the Tea Party movement. This would have been front page news.
On to Snopes with me.....the investigation continues.. [/QB][/QUOTE]
The post before your has a direct link to the story. No further investigation necessary.
GREED.........
I cancelled my cable (dish tv) The hunting shows do more to help the anti hunters than show young hunters the real enjoyment of hunting. The stuff they promote goes against the very reason I enjoy hunting. They try to show if you buy all this garbage they promote you can go out and get a monster buck in 30 minutes or less.
Well, the reason I hunt is to get away from all the high tech junk, I don't need to get my deer in 30 minutes, I have all season ! It's nice to just enjoy the woods without phones ringing or playing on my iPad enjoy the peace and quiet ! I tell people I'm a hunter, not a shooter, I hunt my deer by outfoxing them, that's the ultimate satisfaction. I don't get the thrill of shooting an 8 point over the latest deer cocaine product, in fact I would rather shoot a doe than use all the promoted garbage from them shows !
Shew sorry for the rant, I should just say I now spend my money I saved from cable TV and buy DVD's like Primal Dreams or old Fred Bear DVD's.
Dan
I don't watch any more unless something interesting is happening as I scroll past. I used to watch the shows once in a while to observe how the deer reacted and their behavior, thinking I could watch a lot more animals than just the ones I see when I'm actually hunting. It didn't take long to figure out that they weren't hunting in the same areas as me. The numbers and quality reflect that they are usually hunting private land with limited pressure, fenced semi-tame deer, or cutting and splicing tape so much it seems like there are deer every where.
Then there is the constant product placement and shilling. They have to mention every piece of gear they use and explain how they wouldn't be successful without every little doo-dad they have. And to top it off, you get two or three minutes of animal/hunting footage and then five or ten minutes of annoying commercials.
That said the show "Heartland Bowhunter" is pretty well done. It's mostly compounds if that bothers you, but very high production values and beautiful videography. I also like Fred Eichlers shows.
I just read what I wrote...I deserve the response "your too old, turn the channel and watch the news"... :deadhorse:
Got rid of all my hunting channels but I have been enjoying "The wild within" on the travel channel. No product placement and seems to share a lot of the same veiws about hunting that I do.
Yeap watch "Wild Within" on the travel channel. BEST DANG "HUNTING" show going hands down on TV now adays! If your wanting to watch BIG BUCK down, someone yelling "Now thats what I'm talking about" you will be dissappointed. It's a honest to goodness hunting to eat show! Watch it!
What's going on with "hunting shows" is the same thing that has been going on all along with "hunting shows, assorted heroes ranging from laid back Bubbas to high energy over-achievers trying to sell you some "must have stuff" that you don't really have to have. To maintain proper heroe status, something exceptional has to be taken on a regular basis, wonder how they manage that? Oh, I forgot, they tell you it's the "must have stuff". Personally, when I tried watching "hunting shows" and it's been awhile, the only thing they made me want was Mylanta.
I agree with most of what I read here. I can't watch hardly any of the shows anymore because of the motorcycles, music, celeb and wanna-be celebs, too many commercials, and some hunting practices that I don't subscribe too, legal or not.
I won't even buy a product if it has one of these hosts name on it -- none of them. I passed on a blind I really liked when I saw it was a ".... Collector".
I do like Mr. Eichler's show and Strickland's archery adventures. He is pretty animated but he seems as genuine as the breeze that spooks my deer. So much of the other "enthusiasm" and wild eyes seems to be put on to me. Maybe not? Maybe I'm too reserved?
There must be a lot of folks who differ in their views though because the formula for these shows is very evident: rocker, motorcycles, goofiness, bed hair, celeb hunting, and, dare I say, it doesn't appear average looking ladies hunt.
The type though that really concern me are the hunting contests. I can just avoid these other shows and go on, to each his own as was written above. But when some no-name bozos go out to shoot as many deer as they can, with the fewest shots, and the most doo-dads...those get me mad. The diversithy and volume of fantastic big game animals we enjoy these days is no accident. God gave them to us but our ancestors almost did a complete job of erasing them. Hard work, funded almost entirely by sportsmen and women have gotten us to this point of mostly plenty today.
These contestants did very little in their (mostly) young lives to develop our sport and preserve our hunting heritage. Yet they are providing a terrible example of what some might mistake as hunting.
If I see this show on again I'm going with pencil and paper. I'll document the sponsors and contact each one of them.
Why watch?
What night is the "Wild Within" show on?
it's easy. don't watch it.
What if some trad gang member with connections would convince a worthy sponsor that a truly ethical, fair chase, traditional/primitive archery/hunting program would be well received by many people who still believe in bowhunting as it should be?
With permission from those who have wonderful traditional videos already produced there would be enough programming for many years of quality programs. I've seen some of the videos some of you on here have produced and I could watch for hours.
Instead of getting rid of the Outdoor Channel, let's use it like a tool to make heirloom furniture rather than press wood junk!
I'm just say'in.
The worst I saw was a set up at a mud hole with a feeder and they shoot a pig with a crossbow with a scope on it maybe a 15yd shot.Might as well go to a pig farm and shoot a pig in the pen.
I quit watching them, to much smoke and mirrors and product hype. I don't know how I ever managed to kill big game 30 years ago without all the stuff they say you have to have now. To each his own, but the beauty of traditional archery for me is the simplicity and joy from the effort that you put into the hunt. I always liked the basics of "Hunt into the wind" and stop, look and listen. So much of my enjoyment has come from just being out there and doing it. You never forget the adrenalin rushes. Great memories!
Glad to hear everyone is as appauled as I am over these shows. Even without the fact that it's all about selling product, they act like a bunch of corndogs when they shoot something. I am excited when I make a shot, but gee whizz, act like a grownup! There are a few that get excited on camera, but don't turn into corndogs, not many though.
I too have stopped watching most of the shows. I love the sport and the outdoors.......... Making a shot is just icing on the cake. And, I can enjoy the heck out of the cake, even though I don't get icing very often.
WoodsyDave
This is definitely, strictly and hopefully obviously my PERSONAL OPINION, but hunting does not in any way, shape or form make my list of spectator sports.
Ditto-
Gosh- hate to pile on. . . may I add-
-This entire "habitat management" thing is really suspicious to me. . . (Besides each of those deer must be costing $$$$$ to harvest!)
-I am NOT a compound hater. . . BUT the one that kills me is that guy who always raises his hi-tech compound bow (besides he can shoot out to 100 yds) above his head while the commentator talks about taking an animal with ONLY a "stick and string." LOL
Yup- a commercial/artificial world.
BTW- even as I have heard and read about Nugent- if the guy put it all on public TV I am going to bet he did not know he was breaking the law (not an excuse). I bet he made a mistake. . . still culpable but different than intentional.
Going to agree- those old films with Curt Gowdy etc. are the best!
Dan in KS
QuoteOriginally posted by raghorns:
What if some trad gang member with connections would convince a worthy sponsor that a truly ethical, fair chase, traditional/primitive archery/hunting program would be well received by many people who still believe in bowhunting as it should be?
With permission from those who have wonderful traditional videos already produced there would be enough programming for many years of quality programs. I've seen some of the videos some of you on here have produced and I could watch for hours.
Instead of getting rid of the Outdoor Channel, let's use it like a tool to make heirloom furniture rather than press wood junk!
I'm just say'in.
Its all in the funding. The sponsors pay for these commercials, so, they expect their products to be shown a certain number of times(depending upon the contract)--they pay more money if their product gets highlighted in some sort of "tip of the day".
LOL. "I woulda never got this here deer if it wernt fer ma cough silencer, ma Nugent Blades, and ma Stinkaway de-smellyfier spray."
They aren't any different than the ol' Billy Mays infomercials, exception being the target demographic.
I am tired of it my self. Guys going from outfitter to outfitter and telling us how hard there hunting.No scouting, hanging stands, etc. Its all done for them . I have paid for a few hunts my self not knocking them but i get the most satisfaction when i know i truly i earned the critter i was after. I would rather be a good outdoorsman and woodsman than just a shooter or hired gun. Thats my two cents worth. TD.
Easykeeper I think its on Sun. nights at 9.
money talks,bull crap walks...it is entertainment and for ratings only....if I use product XYZ , it is because the TV show uses it and kills MONSTER deer....never have saw a monster buck, but have taken several nice ones.....
I pay extra each month for one of the outdoor channels and almost never watch it- i dunno, its just not my cup of tea anymore i guess
well here is my $.02.
I think the hunting community is hurting it's self with the tasteless tv shows. the worst I think are the gun guys shooting deer in the shoulder (as they should) but then keeping the camera on the wounded animal as it runs off on 3 legs then falls and lays there kicking while the good old boys are laughing and high fiveing. Then cutting to a commercial for mechanical BH that 'guarenties you will get your game' because 'it is like throwing an ax through an animal.' The anti's are getting a lot of great footage to use against us.
"The anti's are getting a lot of great footage to use against us."
Sad, but true. If you want to see a real bonehead, try and watch "Pigman". If I was an anti, I would use his show as an example.
I can't watch them....too much canned head bangger music. I want to hear the rubble of the rocks when a guy heads down a ridge to cut off elk, not some guy banging on a guitar the same cord OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
I also want to hear the wind, the birds, the leaves rustle, the babbling brook. Not some pre cage fight music.
I also think the 'hunting tips' are a JOKE....how to get more performance form your ATV, or the lates GPS tech, or some other gadget BS. They aren't hunting shows for real hunters, they are entertainment for those that want to be hunters.
Sorry, but that's my thoughts...and I'm being honest.
From the sound of it, I am glad I dont get these channels anymore. (too expensive)!
Funny thing is, I felt like I have been missing them all these years.
Unfortunately "we" must save "ourselves" from ourselves all the time. Its not just hunting or shooting, it seems to be with everything anymore. People just have an uncanny way of ruining everything good in life.
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I can't watch them....too much canned head bangger music. I want to hear the rubble of the rocks when a guy heads down a ridge to cut off elk, not some guy banging on a guitar the same cord OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
I also want to hear the wind, the birds, the leaves rustle, the babbling brook. Not some pre cage fight music.
I also think the 'hunting tips' are a JOKE....how to get more performance form your ATV, or the lates GPS tech, or some other gadget BS. They aren't hunting shows for real hunters, they are entertainment for those that want to be hunters.
Sorry, but that's my thoughts...and I'm being honest.
Thats right. The headbanger music only serves to portray the hunter as a violent, bloodthirsty beast in the eyes(and ears) of the more sensitive populace.
I totally agree with each and everyone of you! I get all the out house channels with a package I'm on and never watch any of them. The wife and kids watch TV not me.
With that said seriously consider watching "Wild Within" on the travel channel "somtimes not always" Sundays at 9.
It's the best dang "hunting" show to hit the air waves since the American Sportsman. Search it on the web at Travel Channel Wild Within. I like it so well I emailed the channel and praised them for airing it. For one it protrays hunting in a very good lite to a audience that doesn't see it much, the guys stresses ethics and morals and lastly if enough "professional" hunting channels see that folks like it maybe they will rethink their agendas!
Now with all that it's not perfect. His promos show him with a stick bow but I've never seen him use it in a show, mostly rifles, smoke poles and a knife hunting pigs. He really is a meat hunter and the show revolves around him wanting to eat healthy meat he provides for his family and friends.
I am not a hunter....Yet. I would watch some of the shows from time to time. I hate the ones I have seen. The only one I like alot that made me want to buy a bow was Tred Barta. Fair chase the hard way. I like the fact that most of the times he does not get an animal
I feel the same way about it, its sad. i do watch fred eichler too, and tred barta, but I can,t watch the others , there too far out there for me.
I would like to point out the numerous times Fred has hunted water holes, whats the difference? also, i have seen him hunt corn feilds, and acorns.....?????? Thats baiting my friend.
I bait about half the time, im a hard working college student, when i get to go i want the odds in my favor. 98% of Anti-baiters are hypocrites.
I love all my fellow hunters baiter or not!
Just my .02 but what is it worth anyways,
:dunno:
Anyone remember the salt water guy that use to trad bow hunt on occasion....I think he was out of Florida...he had a really nice show I thought. I remember him toting a canoe with a friend to a remote late to fish.
He seemed to be in tune with nature, and the music suited the show.
QuoteOriginally posted by no nothing:
I am not a hunter....Yet. I would watch some of the shows from time to time. I hate the ones I have seen. The only one I like alot that made me want to buy a bow was Tred Barta. Fair chase the hard way. I like the fact that most of the times he does not get an animal
I think that most folks here who have watched his program would tell you that Barta has made his fair share of bonehead mistakes. But we all have...and so will you. Even so, Barta is the real deal. And I might add that given his recent illness, and his determination to hunt again despite the obstacles, has been nothing short of inspirational.
I wish you all success in your quest to become a hunter. :thumbsup:
Terry, I think his name was Flip Pallet or Skip Pallet Something like that. I think he did fly fishing on the flats of Florida. Walker Kay Chronicles (I think)I heard he had some bow hunting shows.
To Husky archer, No disrespect but this is not a debate about baiting. That was on another drawn out thread. This is about the complete disregard and general disrespect for animals and the shows that portray morons high fiving each other and cheering after an obviously non fatal hit.
If you put the majority of those folks in the woods and ask them to actually hunt, they wouldn't know where to start. Now they're promoting shooting long distances that where the slightest movement could result in a lost or wounded animal. 600 & 800 yard shots, I don't want any part of it. They don't know what being in tuned with nature means. They obviously don't hunt for the same reasons we do.
Charlie
QuoteOriginally posted by no nothing:
I am not a hunter.
May I ask....what are you doing on this site?
I was wondering that same thing. :rolleyes:
He did add "yet". :biglaugh:
We'll bring him around.
I can't stand watching outdoor channel anymore it has turned hunting into a marketing game, and taken the fair chase out of it. :mad:
said he is not hunter...yet... Always hope!
Watched the "Wild Within" for the first time on Sunday. I really enjoyed it and laughed a lot. I hope it manages to stay that good. When he said that "gathering" was the light beer of hunting and gathering I about fell out of my chair. He also said that "catch and release fishermen hear the call of the wild, but they don't understand what it is saying to them!" He was joking because he tagged and released a couple of sharks during he episode. I will look for it again.
As for the other shows out there, there are too many of them competing for a niche market. Consequently they are trying various marketing strategies to recruit new viewers. I would be interested to know if they are actually working. Most people I know that are hunters don't really watch them any more. Interestingly, I have talked to a lot of nonhunters who DO watch them and seem to actually enjoy them. Unfortunately, those shows are their only link to their inner hunter.
Wow.....Glad I have a remote control. You all should check into them. It makes it so you don't even have to get up to change the channel. Just kidding...to an extent.
I don't watch a lot of TV. I do get a couple "hunting" channels though I don't watch them much. If I have spare time, I make arrows, tie flies, make a bow string or 2, go outside and fling arrows or shoot in the basement.
If you get the hunting channels, you probably get a bunch of other channels, try them. It is America, they're just making money. These shows only last cause people watch them.
Just my opinion....
QuoteHe did add "yet". [biglaugh]
My mistake for not reading through the line. You are correct and there is always hope. :D
I find it hard to believe that so many people on this site say that they do not like hunting shows on TV and then go on to say what is on these shows. if you do not like watching how would you know what is on these shows. Personally I enjoy watching many of the shows that people say that they do not like watching. I choose to hunt with a traditional bow but I would never look down on any person hunting with legal equipment be it high powered rifle, shotgun, compound crossbow or whatever. We need to get off our high horse and look around, we are the minority of the hunting community that is why there is not more traditional archery shows, the majority of sportsmen hunt with what is on these shows. As was said in an earlier post if you do not like the show, turn it off.
Haven't ever seen any of these shows(even the good ones). Sounds like I'm not missing anything.
Guys, those shows suck beyond belief. I am of a younger generation, and my friends think I literally am crazy for hunting Traditional style archery.
What they toss up there is not hunting and we all know it. The hosts suck and the action is canned, and that's just the part in between commercials.......don't get me started! Will somebody arrange a fight to the death between Ted Nugent and "Pigman", please?
Idiots. Another reason I do not watch TV at all.
Amen to Mr. Don Stokes . Support Tredd Barta he really does it the hard way . Fred Eichler is a butcher , not a hunter . Most of what claims to be bow hunting on these channels is B/S . Pay 5K to these outfitters & they will get you a trophy . Unfortunately , even traditiontal archery is big businness . So , simplify - did Howard Hill & Fred Bear need all the junk that is being pushed on these so called hunting channels ?
I do not think I would be a good host on one of these shows. At 62 and over 50 years of hunting, I just look at things different now. If I get a deer great, if not great. It is the challenge of the hunt I enjoy now, more they the kill. Being with my son and wife at hunting camp, not to mention the grand kids. All this means more to me then the kill, now a days.
QuoteOriginally posted by highpoint forge:
Guys, those shows suck beyond belief. I am of a younger generation, and my friends think I literally am crazy for hunting Traditional style archery.
What they toss up there is not hunting and we all know it. The hosts suck and the action is canned, and that's just the part in between commercials.......don't get me started! Will somebody arrange a fight to the death between Ted Nugent and "Pigman", please?
Idiots. Another reason I do not watch TV at all.
while ted nugent can get annoying that guy is a great spokesman and does great thing for others. brings injured soldiers, sick kids ect.. on hunts, talking out against the anti hunters and not backing down. i respect him for what he does.
I don't think that Ted Nugent is a good spokesperson at all, much less a role model. While he certainly has a genuine talent and ability to fire-up a segment of the already committed, I suspect that he turns off a larger segment of the non-hunting public than he convinces. And as we all know it is that non-hunting public that will decide the future of hunting.
I commend Nugent for the work he does for vets and kids. But as someone who considers himself a dedicated bowhunter-conservationist, Ted Nugent certainly doesn't speak for me.
The only "hunting" show I watch anymore is Fred Eichler when he's using his recurve. I like his enthusiasm but I gotta admit he does get carried away sometimes. I can deal with that though. I like Fred especially when he gets just as much satisfaction out of killing a 4-pointer as he does a ten pointer, even when he's huntin' in Kansas.
Tred Barta's shows are okay too.
Of Fred's shows that I've seen, it appears he's there for the love of the hunt. Not caring if its a trophy or just meat. I thoroughly respect that. As for him hooping and hollering, what does it really matter? We all 'celebrate' in our own little way. Maybe he has a hyperactive problem. Who knows... Great thread by the way.
Rooselk - thank you for putting it so clearly.
Been my thought for years, but usually fall short when expressing it.
I spend the last year in CT on an internship where I had a roommate. I had backland country set to DVR each week after Mark and Sandy Horne mentioned it to me. Even though I'm back in TX, my roommate still has it set to record and since then him and another guy from the apartment complex have been shooting trad bows (and are now members of this site). Scott Anderson actually hunted at 7th Age on one of the shows. People will hunt with compounds and occasionally a gun on the show but I don't hear that being people's complaint on here. He usually hunts with either his selfbow or a Horne Flint Quest. There was an episode called "flint quest" that was great. It showed him from start to finish building his own arrow, picking out and napping his own flint, and stalking a buck. He missed the shot but talked about it being one of the best hunts he'd ever been on. The best part...not a word during the entire hunt until the very end of the show when he summarized the experience. I would love to see more shows like this and recommend it to people who are non-hunters to understand why I like sitting in a stand or walking around for hours at a time in the cold:)
QuoteOriginally posted by Rooselk:
I don't think that Ted Nugent is a good spokesperson at all, much less a role model. While he certainly has a genuine talent and ability to fire-up a segment of the already committed, I suspect that he turns off a larger segment of the non-hunting public than he convinces. And as we all know it is that non-hunting public that will decide the future of hunting.
I commend Nugent for the work he does for vets and kids. But as someone who considers himself a dedicated bowhunter-conservationist, Ted Nugent certainly doesn't speak for me.
Well, I guess its all a matter of perspective, huh? There is a reason the guy is so popular, because not only does he have that "rock star" personality, but, he has the nads to stand up and fight for what he believes in. Just because somebody doesn't like the guy or "approve" of his behavior doesn't alleviate that fact.
Reading through this thread(a very good, thought provoking thread), one can see that some guys like Fred Eichler, some don't. Everyone has a different personality which is the reason we all run in different social "circles". My little Harley-riding, bowhunting, flyfishing, football coaching, kilt wearing social circle pretty much all like Uncle Ted, you and your social circle evidently has the collective opinion that Ted is less than savory. It doesn't matter whether our opinions are based upon a political agenda or simply upon personality compatibility.
All I know is this: Ted(So he screwed up on a hunt, he admitted it and paid his dues for it without a media debacle)has proven to be a powerful spokesperson against the city-dwelling do-gooding anti-hunting masses, his voice is strong enough that when he speaks, the media and by God the White House, listen to what he is saying----even if they disagree, they still listen to the message. I really don't see anybody else taking that banner up and marching with it----do you? If a hunter doesn't like what the man is saying, that hunter should STAND UP and voice his own opinion in his/her strongest voice! I'll guarantee that Mr. Nugent will appreciate it.
As for these hunting "shows", I wonder if the hosts and crews generally have good intentions to begin with? That is, before the sponsors get their mitts on it.
I agree there are only a few I like to watch anymore but these programs do draw the young folks into our sport and that's a great thing. They are for entertainment purposes and ratings for the channel. Lets face it how long would most watch a show that only killed a deer every fourth week or so. If the crews don't use bait they have to book expensive outfitted hunts to keep the sightings high and "most" viewers happy.
What I can't stand is the "Rage" broad head movement. Every deer you see them shoot with those things the arrow doesn't even pass through from a compound on a double lung shot....WHAT???? That's a case of marketing coming before common sense if you ask me. Of course you don't see all the ones that are poorly hit and the arrow bounces off when it hits a large bone, as some of my wheelie buddy's have lived.
QuoteOriginally posted by LongbowGuy83:
Of Fred's shows that I've seen, it appears he's there for the love of the hunt. Not caring if its a trophy or just meat. I thoroughly respect that.
I agree, and one thing about Fred's show, he doesn't always kill something, and I can durn sure relate to that.
Don't know,Don't care,Don't watch them.
I'm watch them from time to time but I hunt with wheelie bows as well as traditional gear...The shows I watch more are the turkey hunting shows because even if the birds are there you still have to call them in place for a shot...Just my thought, Primos boys do a good job of introducing the youth on their shows and I'll watch their turkey hunts but I don't care for any one on the air's deer hunts at the moment...
Fred lost some of my vote when he teamed up with Buckmasters this year...Never liked Jackie and dang sure don't think he is a "BUCKMASTER"
I agree with the Rage problems these guys are shooting fast bows with light arrows I added a 100 grains up front to my arrow and have gotten a pass through on almost every animal I have shot with them...
Speed and scent suits are the main focus these days on these shows instead of form, stealth, wind hunting, and for God sakes proper gear...
I agree with the above said also Ted is a great man to have on our side for hunting and not just hunting gun rights I have listen to him speak on a few occasions and to say he can move a crowd is an understatement...
Just my thoughts right or wrong its what I'll stand by
If you seen one of those hunting shows you seen them all, I unhooked from the Outdoor Channel 3 years ago best thing I ever did,the shows were all about selling you more gadgets to make you a better hunter,ha ha,there is rumor going around that ESPN is going to drop all hunting shows,
6 months ago I subscribed to the sportsmans channel and the outdoor channel. I had never seen these channels before that. I thought it would be great after a couple of weeks I realized it wasn't at all what I thought it would be. I wish there was a show that was all trad,like a TBM show or something along those lines. Who really cares about the kill it is the hunt that we all get the thrill from. I do like the Easton Bowhunting show however it to can be dissappointing. We really need an all trad show that promotes not only traditional equipment but also traditional morales, values, and respect.
A reflexion from Human beeings,this thread could apply to every human's behavior on this earth...we'll stay to tradbowhunting but I think the way we act and think in our every day life is connected to our way of acting and thinking in hunting and vice-versa.
A trailer worth checking out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzuhZbBt6_Q
Problem is ....the new generation of hunters watch these shows and think that the kill, numbers and what the deer scores is what hunting is all about.
I miss when a buck was just a buck !
QuoteOriginally posted by Texasrecurve81:
A trailer worth checking out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzuhZbBt6_Q
Looked pretty good until he started using what looked a lot like a Robertson bow and modern trad arrows(wood or not, they didn't have doweling machines back in the day). So, this guy seems full of it, too.
Tex,
That was refreshing. I have never seen that show, but I will give it a look. Thanks for the heads up.
I notice that Ted Nugent has shown up on a number of earlier replies and I've noticed that he has a group of loyal fans here, but one of them's claim that he has sway with the news media and the President is a bit of a reach. In my personal opinion that is not a bad thing in that to me, Ted is more like fingernails on a blackboard than an effective spokesman for hunting. Reality is that Ted Nugent shot an illegal spike buck over bait, also illegal in California and was charged with 9 other offenses as well. Mr. Nugent plea-bargained out of the other 9 charges, remained silent and absent and had his California attourney pay his $1750.00 fine with no comment. I find it further interesting that Field and Stream magazine had an article not long after, raising the question that Mr. Nugent had possibly violated the terms of his sentencing by hunting in South Dakota. As it turns out he had not as the only license priveledge he had lost was deer in CA. The interesting part is that the South Dakota hunt was on a "game preserve", often referred to on posts here correctly as "canned hunts"
QuoteOriginally posted by Jim Wright:
Reality is that Ted Nugent shot an illegal spike buck over bait, also illegal in California and was charged with 9 other offenses as well. Mr. Nugent plea-bargained out of the other 9 charges, remained silent and absent and had his California attourney pay his $1750.00 fine with no comment. I find it further interesting that Field and Stream magazine had an article not long after, raising the question that Mr. Nugent had possibly violated the terms of his sentencing by hunting in South Dakota. As it turns out he had not as the only license priveledge he had lost was deer in CA. The interesting part is that the South Dakota hunt was on a "game preserve", often referred to on posts here correctly as "canned hunts"
If only somebody could clarify those alleged 9 other charges---they could be anything from littering to illegal campfire in California. Anybody who goes to court for charges will do the "plea bargain" thing---tell me you wouldn't. Its how the court system is set up. THEN Field & Stream magazine publishes an absolutely unfounded and unresearched article that was shot down with fact.
My 100 acre farm here in Virginia is posted a "Game Preserve", does that mean that I, too, am guilty of doing this evil "canned hunt" thing? No, my deer and turkeys are just as wild as the neighbors deer and turkeys, its just a simple high-tensile horse fence. I post it so that I have it for myself and my friends to enjoy. One really should have all the facts before pointing accusatory fingers is all I'm sayin.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
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Terry Green had previously said the following on this topic when a poster said he was not a hunter (yet)
May I ask....what are you doing on this site?
By site he means Trad Gang
Must you be a hunter to be on Trad Gang?
What if you like traditional archery but wish not to hunt?
Isn't Ted also a proponent of crossbows being legalized in archery only seasons?
There are many of the outdoor show "celebrities" who, whether for the $$ or just their personal beliefs" use the media platforms to their advantage. Watch 'em close boys and call them on their moves. Write letters to sponsors, supporting organizations and to the person themselves. That's the only chance we have to save our passion.
QuoteOriginally posted by Easykeeper:
That said the show "Heartland Bowhunter" is pretty well done. It's mostly compounds if that bothers you, but very high production values and beautiful videography. I also like Fred Eichlers shows.
I too enjoy Heartland Bowhunter. I love the cinematography. I watch it off their website though, every once in a while. I think they have a couple of new guys on the staff that shoot recurves though. This topic has been discussed here before and I too have thought about it. I think Terry, Curt, and some of the other guys should just start "Trad Gang Television" and get it over with!!! LOL!! :thumbsup:
There are a lot of states where crossbows are already legal to use during the archery season, man. Whats your point? A crossbow isn't a heck of a lot different that some of these hyper modern compounds. Or are you saying that the archery only season should really be labeled "traditional archery only"?
What channel is "heartland bowhunter" on? It didn't come up when I searched for it. I'm looking forward to the discovery show that others have talked about.
QuoteOriginally posted by RUSTY1:
QuoteOriginally posted by Easykeeper:
That said the show "Heartland Bowhunter" is pretty well done. It's mostly compounds if that bothers you, but very high production values and beautiful videography. I also like Fred Eichlers shows.
I too enjoy Heartland Bowhunter. I love the cinematography. I watch it off their website though, every once in a while. I think they have a couple of new guys on the staff that shoot recurves though. This topic has been discussed here before and I too have thought about it. I think Terry, Curt, and some of the other guys should just start "Trad Gang Television" and get it over with!!! LOL!! :thumbsup: [/b]
+1 :thumbsup:
ITs all a bunch of horn porn, for the lack of a better word. Half those guys on there would sell their soul to make a dollar and its ruining the image of what hunting and being an outdoorsman is all about
I'm not saying that archery only seasons should be trad only. In many states it is not legal to hunt the archery season with a crossbow and if you have an opinion that that is the way it should stay, express you opinion before it is too late. Why sit by and not act just because that is the way it is somewhere else?
I also cant stand to watch them. I think they disrespect the animals after a kill by acting stupid! big buck down, yea baby just makes me sick!
I would honestly rather watch a person once a week for 3 months and watch all they go through to get a deer all the ups and downs of this sport. but we all know that wouldnt sell.. what sells is a 140 plus falling on the ground every week.
Jeff, as to clarifying what the 9 offenses that Ted Nugent plea-bargained out of, don't you think that the 1llegal kill and baiting that he pled guilty to are enough? As for game preserves and canned hunts, IF you opened your 100 acres to hunting for pay like the business in South dakota where Ted Nugent hunted does then yes, you would be selling canned hunts.
If you think Ted ain't in it for the money, you are sadly mistaken friends. ALL of politics and causes come with price tags, whether these " influential figures" believe in it or not. It's all ADVERTISING boys. ALL sides are guilty of paying for advocacy, and that's sad.
Nugent is an annoying creature at best and a relic. He never fails to disrespect the animal he has just killed by hooting and hollering like it's a football game. If you like him great, but the 70s are over grandpa. He resonates with about 1% of the country.
We need to get rid of the young ones, like Pigman, etc. Kids look at the younger sideshow carny barkers like him and say, I wanna be an idiot like him; loud, used car salesman, big ol oil eating truck, super fast bow, yadda yadda, yadda.....makes me wanna puke.
My big hang up with most of the shows,(not all of them)is the fact that they make it seem as if all you have to do is hang a stand, climb in, sit down, and Oh look! Here comes a 180" monster. They shoot him, and right away their chest is bowed out and it's man look at this giant!Look what we've done. They never mention, well we payed 5k to this outfitter to do all the work, or we are hunting behind a high fence (deer pen)! I'm confident that any one of us with common bowhunting knowledge could be sucessful under these conditions. I want to see some of these so called professional hunters come down here to the Kickapoo bottoms (East Texas) where i hunt and put one of those 180" monsters on the ground! I'm not gonna quit watching their shows,(they still ain't quite as depressing as the news!)But i'm like alot of yall, i would rather see a hard earned 6 point taken off the ground with a recurve or longbow. Rather than a 180" shot under a feeder with a 300 win mag. Just my thoughts. By the way this is an AWSOME site! I've learned so much from you guys about my bow and set up, just from reading these threads every nnow and then! Thanks to all!
QuoteOriginally posted by highpoint forge:
If you think Ted ain't in it for the money, you are sadly mistaken friends. ALL of politics and causes come with price tags, whether these " influential figures" believe in it or not. It's all ADVERTISING boys. ALL sides are guilty of paying for advocacy, and that's sad.
Nugent is an annoying creature at best and a relic. He never fails to disrespect the animal he has just killed by hooting and hollering like it's a football game. If you like him great, but the 70s are over grandpa. He resonates with about 1% of the country.
We need to get rid of the young ones, like Pigman, etc. Kids look at the younger sideshow carny barkers like him and say, I wanna be an idiot like him; loud, used car salesman, big ol oil eating truck, super fast bow, yadda yadda, yadda.....makes me wanna puke.
so i take it you hate tred barta and fred eichler also? must really hate some of the older hunters like howard hill also. cause fred has like the loudest celebration on earth after he kills something. same with tred barta. and in a few hill vids he shot chained up animals. plus they just shot a arrow through it, im sure the animal can care less at that point. the day i start crying and im not excited by my kill thats when i will stop hunting.