I find it just amazing how just one bow type can create so much interest.Heck that one post is almost at 1000 !I am by no means a longbow expert like so many of you Gurus on here.I've been in this bow shooting game for many years and although like I said I'm no expert ,I have shot them enough to voice some opinions.
Back in 1984 Chek-Mate archery just started making HH style longbows and I guess my wishes were heard as my good wife bought me one that year for Xmas.With a slight upcharge it was 4 lams of yew.When I first started shooting it I couldn't hit a barn from the inside,but thru readings by John Shultz and Howard himself it finally gelled.About the same time a good friend of mine ,who owns a huge Archery Shop in NewWest.BC phoned me to tell me he just got in a brand new HH big 5,68" and 72#,eight pounds more than my Chek-mate Golden hawk.With all the hype I'd heard about Howards bows he sent her out.
I pried that Big 5 from the wrapping ,grabbed a half doz. 650 gr. Cedars and headed to the bales.
I could not believe how this bow shot,I went back inside and got my Yew longbow for comparrison.My Yew L:B totally outshot the HH in every way and was 8 pounds heavier.Same arrows ,same draw,same distances.Both Bows lengths and profiles were identical.
Over the years I've ownned many recurves and longbows with yew cores ,and I know its yew from the first shot,smooth,ultra quiet and forgiving.When I aquired Danny Rowans beautiful Blacktail recurve,it took me back to why I like yew so much.That bow is a joy to shoot.
Please don't think the above post is a slaner towards HH Archery ,Heck I have a new one on order.A new model ,the Red Cheetah.I love juniper but instead of Bamboo or Caramelized bamboo shes going to have yew cores,66",57# @28' with a slight string follow and clear glass with a Cocobolo handle and Tips.
My good buddy Cacciatore has some Venetian Yew that he says is some of the most beautiful wood he has seen.Venetian and spanish yew was highly sought by the english Archers because of its qualitys.So thats my two cents worth I hope you enjoy the added perspective ! LOL.Heres Mudd in your eye!
Steve...lol"Heres Mudd in your eye!"
What's up with that brother...lol
I am becoming more of a yew fan myself. The feeling is just different than bamboo. Maybe a tad more snap or maybe it has a crisper feel as apposed to the rubbery feel I get from bamboo.
But if it's a bow that strikes my fancy I'll go for it full well knowing it most likely won't stay here but I will have the experience of shooting it.
I think that's a part and parcel of being a "bowaholic"...lol
God bless,Mudd
LOL,Mudd I just had to throw that in,heck it sounded good,there would never be any disrespect to you or any other Bamboo fans.I really like where Trad archery is going from where its been.so many younger folk getting involved.Theres so many good folks on here to help and lend a helping hand to anyone in need and you my friend are at the top of the list!Besides being founder and CEO of the Worldwide Mudd fraternity you have an image to uphold !LOL
"But if it's a bow that strikes my fancy I'll go for it full well knowing it most likely won't stay here but I will have the experience of shooting it."
Mudd, I had no idea you would trade or sell a bow! :biglaugh:
I've tried stopping Butch but you know how it is...lol
There are days I'll trade for a brush pile if someone will furnish the matches to burn it...lol
God bless,Mudd
PS: No worries Steve I've got the hide of a rhino..lol plus I know anything you would say would be said with love.
Have you ever tried Osage? It might surprize you how similar the qualities are.
Two days ago I had a conversation with Matt, one of Mudds Merry men about the HH Robin Hood he bought recently. My man MR.Mudd has one also.
Matt gave me an honest appraisal of that bow compared to other he has and has shot. He said it was the nicest,most accurate bow he has had. Actually said "I love that bow!"
Mudd, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the limbs of the HHRH are 4 lams yew with one bamboo on the back.
What Matt said pushed me off the fence two days ago and I ordered a 69" 57@29 "Half Breed" which will have two lams of yew sandwiched between two lams of caramelized bamboo. In theory, I'm thinking it will be the perfect marriage - best of both worlds. We'll see
Tony,Your right I forgot the Robin Hood was Basically yew,Yours should be nice,best of both worlds !
Ps-Mudd the feathers are on there way!
Steve, I'm with ya on the performance of yew, but to my mind, it doesn't feels as smooth as bamboo. Performs on par, but it feels a bit harsher on the draw to me.
I had and liked a HH Redman, but it was lighter than I like to shoot. Same thing with a Halfbreed that I had, liked it but it needed another 8 pounds or so of draw weight.
Now maybe I like my 'boo so much because the ones I've had were in the right weight range. Then again, maybe I like them because I've gotten better at setup and tuning, so I get better flight and accuracy from them. I'm always keeping an eye out for a Redman and Halfbreed in the mid-upper 50s so I can give them a fair try, but so far I have to say that bamboo "feels" better than the yew, osage, elm, honey locust and juniper limbed bows that I've tried.
I guess that's why they make them with different core materials, we all like something a little different.
Kevin ,you are right,so many options,its crazy ! LOL
Yep, I figure the biggest variable is me, lol. This got me thinking about other models, especially the Halfbreed. Once the shop is up and running good, I may have to order me one exactly like I want.
You guys just keep buying those new bows, I am on the lookout of the old Schulz and Pete George bows. Steve, there is more to it than yew when comparing older B5s with Chekmates.
Pavan,you are so right,with the new string materials and even subtle changes to the limb designs,things have really changed.I'm really curious on my new HH with slight string follow.
As for as looks..yew is a beautiful wood compared to bamboo.
Actually, Howard Hill discovered the same thing when he started using bamboo. He got in touch with Winston Rod Co. and they told him about tempering the bamboo. It made a big difference as most rod builders will tell you it is the same difference between slow and fast.
A few years back I talked with a Gentleman that used bamboo in their bows, he was making his own and some for HH. I had two of his and they were infact slower than a Schulz, or ones that where heat tempered. He said, they relied on the curing of the bow in the heat box to drive out the moisture, but as most know it is a separate process.
I am just guessing but you probably had one of his bows, that were made for HH. Just a hint, it was back before.....
Steve,
I am glad you are liking that Blacktail, great bow and the yew is beautiful.
I presently own two recurves. One is a Marriah Thermal with Yew laminations and the other is a Dale Stahl recurve with bamboo cores and bocote veneers. I love shooting both bows.
I must add, though, that the best shooting bows I've owned had red elm limbs. The first one was my first Dale Stahl recurve. I should have never sold that bow!! The other was a Dale Dye recurve with medicine wood, another way of saying red elm, limbs. The red elm limbs draw very smoothly and shoot as smooth as drawn butter.
Bill
One more point about yew. I recently bought an old Pete George yew/glass. It has the same lines as my Schulz. It came with a fast flight, I put one of my own B50s on it and was surprised to find that it shot about the same as the bow did with the fast flight, perhaps even a a bit softer in the hand and as far as I can tell about the same speed. I got from talking to Schulz that not all laminations are equal; when I get my hands on a really good bow, I always wonder how much thought went into the selections of the materials. I do not know enough about it to be able to say, but the bows I keep versus the ones I give away, I think have something to do with the materials that were selected for that particular bow.
Semo-Hunter we're supposed to keep Osage a secret...lol
There are those that know and those that will find out on their own but we don't want to advertise it or there'll be a run on it...lol
God bless,Mudd
I love yew ! all of yew !!!...lol
Still my preferred wood for bows , but that may be sentimental as Im an ol' Robin Hood geek from way back.
I actually broke my Redman three days ago ...don't ask ...
I also love elm and osage ... but prefer yew above all else !
Hey Danny,That blacktail has to be one of the nicest looking and shooting bows I've ever had in my hands,no wonder the 16 month wait.
Oh, no! Southern Ben! My sincere condolences to you.
I like Redmans and Wesley Specials.
No.. uh-uh.. not going to happen....lol
Ben you tell us "I actually broke my Redman three days ago ...don't ask ..."
Then you say don't ask.. no fair!
Come on give it up brother! What happened? Please tell me something exciting like a water buffalo ran over it and not something like I slammed the limb in my truck door..lol
Inquiring minds want to know!
God bless,Mudd
I was just thinking the same thing as Mudd,C'mon Ben there has to be a story to this.LOL
If you want a nice Hill style Yew longbow try a Frank SanMarco.
Been my experience that in a glass longbow yew is both smoother and faster. For a HH, I have been thinking about an owl with 2 lams carmelized boo on the back under clear glass and 3 lams osage on the belly
ok Mudd, Ben and Steve ...
Amidst the herds of charging buffalo , raging boars and majestic stags that roam my garage I dropped my bow from upstairs and it landed on some fresh cut jagged iron which gouged the limb badly ...
Ebony riser , antler tips ... now hopefully with the help of some superglue ... a wall hanger .
I stand in good company amongst many other Hills though and this Redman i had inscribed 'Hood' had already accounted for many a rabbit over the past couple of months .
My new Robin Hood #13 and T/d Rhino are filling the gap nicely though ... man are they sweet .
I have used my Hills from one end of Oz to another , atop my horses , on motorbikes and as fishing poles [ again don't ask ] and they are nigh on indestructible . I have probably sold forty or fifty acting as a dealer for Craig and never a peep re warranties etc ...
trust me to bust one through my own carelessness .
bummer !
the only cure is to replace it ...
now lets see ....what about 66" .....
Ben I weep for your loss.
Man! Did that ruin your entire day?
God bless,Mudd
Ben, that must have made you sick to your stomach. I agree, replace it to sooth the hurt ;)
Taken like a true soldier,Darn proud of you man.Even being a bow when the big fella pulls your number thats it! all the best.
A moment's silence for your late Redman, Southern Ben...
Steve thank you for a very interesting and wandering thread you started. Cacciatore and Mrs. Calabash, goodnight where ever you are!
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Semo-Hunter we're supposed to keep Osage a secret...lol
There are those that know and those that will find out on their own but we don't want to advertise it or there'll be a run on it...lol
God bless,Mudd
That's ok Roy, there's plenty of it down here. I doubt I will run out of it in my lifetime.