Lots of info/opinions re: heavy vs. light and penetration. My question
WHICH DO YOU FIND EASIER TO TUNE - HEAVIER OR LIGHTER AND DOES INCREASED FOC MAKE TUNING EASIER? Please AVOID reponding "All can be tuned effectively" that is obvious.
My thougts woudl be heavier and incr FOC should be more stable esp in a breeze (assuming same fletching and profile). I think of throwing a rock with a string tied to it. ANd if more stable - possibly easier to tune????????
It woudl also seem that whichever woudl be easier to tune woudl also be more 'forgiving' of shooter error? A lighter arrow woudl leave the bow quicker and be out of the way of torque sooner, but the heavier arrow w/incr FOC might correct sooner and stablize more quickly.
PENETRATION ASIDE what are your thougts?
Always enjoy reading responses - thx in advance.
mgreen
I always found high FOCs hardest to tune.
Between light and heavy (8 gpp / 13 gpp in my case) i can see no difference.
Hello Matt,PENETRATION and Wheight ASIDE it's a big question here also !!!!!! !
Let said to begin to answer to your question according to the experience of our group of taditional hunter
to make it simple for my poor english level
- The old time experienced bowhunter have some trouble
- the new one have no problems about the general flyng consistency or breeze time with EFOC arrows
and we have hard time discusions about that ...
perhaps an answer, if you have printed in your brain the normal Easton arrow calculator shaft you begin to have problem in tuning EFOC arrow
When you spirit is "free about any references" it's more easy to make them flying well anytime ...
The only thing "logical" we found with a general agrement ont it , is that's it's look better to have a "light under spine" arrow with EFOC to avoid small under draw hunting shooting and it's better also to make your bare shaft test "cold" and not after 30 minutes of training
and to make a conclusion about it , with the Miller Calulator and modern bow and arrow you can't be wrong !
Hi kibok,
hows it going hunting wise in France?If youre hunting laws are similar to ours only pigs should be in season now?
QuoteOriginally posted by kibok&ko:
....have a "light under spine" arrow with EFOC to ......
Do you mean to start with shaft that is lightly under spined when you start piling up front weigth to gain EFOC?
Or do you mean that the final finished EFOC arrow should be lightly underspined?
Sorry, my english understanding is worse than yourse i guess :dunno:
Merci beaucoup!
Hello Neighbour, mean for hunting purpose that the final finished EFOC arrow should be lightly underspined accordind to the experience of several serious bow hunter, when you'are hunting your drawing is not the same as the warm training one
by the way, In france at this time of the year it's the hunting close time period for everything , in some state can go for one or two weeks more but that all
in my area hunting is close since one month almost and it's a good thing co's we have serious big game problems now
it's only on the two states close by your border "alsace & Lorraine" where you can hunt almost 11 months on 12 ... 1000 kilometers from my home , old germanic hunting rules and hunting prices are crazy ...
Very sorry bowhunting is not allowed in your country and far away to be legal one day if what i've know is true
That makes sense, thanks for clarifying.
Well, what you know is correct, we are far from bowhunting being legal. But acceptance is ever slightly increasing and the very static hunting system and rules seem to create a lack of intrest in hunting in the younger generations....therefore something could change / must change.
Sorry for the OffTopic, Matt Green.
This is one of those post topics that Terry was talking about that has been beat to death, over and over and over.
:knothead: :deadhorse:
If you aren't concerned with penetration then it's a mute point, why bother?
Just choose a heavy arrow for hunting, and shoot whatever you want for target only.
Yeah, but that's what keeps us warm in the winter.
I see it as three issues:
Resistance to flesh/penetration.
Resistance to tuning.
Resistance to change.
I fall under the latter. If I were to switch to carbon and 380 grain broadheads what would I do with the hundreds of wood shafts and 125 gr points and heads I have in use and in drawers? They work, have a great track record, and I know how to make them fly nice so I'll likely stick with them. And, in order to justify my choice in my own mind, I'll argue that they are better than adequate and may be superior for certain game and situations.
I like to use vintage equipment and designs because I like the nostalgia and challenge. Bringing modern concepts and designs in just contaminates the pursuit (of course: IMHO). Isn't that why we call it "Traditional Archery" and not "Innovative Archery"?
Stumpkiller,
Those wood arras make great kindling, it's gotta be cold in up state NY :D
Weight and FOC really don't change how I tune arrows nor is one more challenging than the other. I calculate spine based on the numbers and then go to paper tuning to fine tune things. For someone who has always been figuring for a given point weight, heavier heads add a new variable. For new guys, it is how they are learning it from the start. Kinda like me and computers. :confused: :banghead:
Heavy broadheads and high FOC's aren't really innovative. They were around for a long time before the 125's so common in the late 50's and on. Most Pope and Young and many other early broadheads are well over 200 gr. I suspect that as shooters went down in bow weight, they also dropped arrow and point weight to maintain arrow speed and trajectory. Most archers of that era were also target shooters and that influenced their hunting arrow decisions.
I moved toward heavier heads shortly after I started shooting wood arrows in the early 80's. For me they just flew better. Never gave much thought to FOC until I started hearing about it a few years later. Back then, I used whatever shot best with a given bow and arrow combination. Usually that turned out to be 160 gr heads. These days, I make an effort toward heavy heads and high FOC's. For me they just work better and I'm glad we have them available. :archer:
QuoteOriginally posted by hunt it:
Stumpkiller,
Those wood arras make great kindling, it's gotta be cold in up state NY :D
It's hard to stump shoot when the stumps are all buried in the snow. This was yesterday. (There are Huron style ash-frame snowshoes under me). By the time I got home it was snowing so hard I couldn't see the barn from the house. Ugh.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Stumpkiller/Bowhunting/HPIM2064.jpg)
As a PS - there were 160 gr arrowheads in the 30's and 40's and the guys shooting 80# and 90# longbows used them well. I'm not that strong so I stick to 125 gr. (I know, "excuses, excuses").