was wondering if anyone has some arrows they would like to show with knapped heads. and what would be the best size? legnth x width ?
how do you think glass would work? i'm thinkin its as strong as obsidian.
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No pictures but I can tell you what I prefer. I like a corner or base notched point or a side notched one with the ears narrower than the rest of the blade, that is from 7/8 to 1 1/4 inches wide and 1 3/4 to 2 1/4 long. I have found that these styles will not carry hair, skin, sinew etc. into the entry wound and limit penetration.
I like a side notch such as the Cash River or the Osceola. Great points. Glass does make a great point, I use glass from old fish tanks. Works great. Don't have any pictures. About 1" at base and about 1 3/4" to 2" long is about right.
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I dug up some that have been successful in the past. Not very good at this pic transfer, hope this one makes it.
Here are a few of my favorite type points. Narrow side notched, right around 100 to 110 grs.
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And a few I have used with success over the years.
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Let's see some game taken with knapped heads.
Bondo, thoose are awesome - lotta respect as it is not easy to knap stone!
J
QuoteOriginally posted by Protege Longbows:
Let's see some game taken with knapped heads.
i agree. has to be awsome to take game with a wood arrow and stone point. one of these days ill give it a go.
One from this year
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and one from a couple of years ago
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I watched a video on youtube where Paleo Jim made a nice head from the bottom of a brown beer bottle. That guy is awesome.
arrow30- If you need flint give me a holler. I personally like the obsidian heads, but I won't pay to get it, not when Missouri is full of chert (flint)
:thumbsup: thats cool, you guy's sure got the knapping figured out, i still can't turn out pieces like those....fine work.
thanks semo, ive got plenty around here. ive been using old tv glass.
I never thought of that, I know just where to find some too. Thanks for the tip.
They say the blue clear glass rocks that people put in their aquariums makes good heads also.
How do you intend to practice with them?
Obviously they aren't going to take much abuse, so what type of set up will you use to test them and practice with them?
Just curious.
a block of styrofoam of some sort, just to make sure they fly rite.
use caution on old tv glass, it can contain high amounts of lead. Not good to breath too much of that stuff.
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A friend made these for me. I made the rack to display them.
is it in the glass or the paint stuff on the back of the screen?
the hawk and owl feather is illeagal to have .but i won't tell...if you don't tell on me.. :biglaugh:
At least $1000 for just possessing any raptor feathrs...or other body parts.
I hunted exclusively with stone points for the last 3 years. Unfortunately I haven't had the opportuntiy to take a deer with one yet.
I don't knap but trade with friends for stone points. Glass orks just fine. Obsidian is volcanic glass.
i kinda figured it would be as srong, but wasnt sure, ithink obsidian makes a very sharp head,as would glass...?
I killed a doe with a head that I knapped two seasons ago. I still can't get over that. I was more excited about that kill than my very first deer kill. Next challenge is to make a self bow.
These are what my son & I hunt with now. He makes all of them.
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longbowman your son has talent.
All materials that are used to make points when they are chipped make a very fine dust that is called silica and when breathed into your lungs the lungs can not get rid of it and it builds and causes breathing problems. I am sure that you have heard of black lung that coal miners get, it comes from breathing silica dust.
Never chip inside, as you will just contaminate the entire area that you chipped in. Always chip outside and it is best if you have a slight breeze.
A friend of mine in Washington state just sent me some Obsidian heads that he knapped and I sent him a box of flint. We plan to make some trades in the future cause he's got the Obsidian and I've got the Flint (chert) so we can both have some of each.
He did a real good job on the heads, much better than I can do. He said that the Flint works easier if you heat treat it, which I have never done but I've read about it.
He also said that it's best to wear gloves and eye protection when knapping Obsidian and I would assume the same for TV glass or even fish bowl glass because of the microscopic flakes will cut you to pieces.
He mentioned that some guys have made successful heads from toilet bowl glass.....anybody heard of this? I know where I can get all the TV glass and toilet bowl glass I want, just have to pick it up and carry it home.
The more this subject comes up the more interested I become about it. I plan to get some more river cane soon and I can definitely see a completed set of river cane shafts with stone or Obsidian points and some natural barred turkey feathers in the near future.
BTW-- Where do you all get your pine tar or pitch to smear over the tie downs for the stone points?
I need to get some of that if I decide to make some stone point arras.
Real cool stuff.
Oh cool! I get to trot this one out again! :bigsmyl:
Toilet bows are a ceramic, they are chip-able but are very course and grainy. Make lousy points.
By the way knappers call it Johnny stone.
This is some good stuff. I have been gathering up a bunch of agate and obsidian this winter getting ready to make a few.
Arrow30- Here's my very first arrow using an Obsidian point and river cane shaft (missouri river variety) I thought I'd add it to your collection here. A friend from Washington state made the head and he said he can get all the Obsidian he wants up there.
This is my first all natural arrow build, so it ain't perfect, but it shoots awesome. I shot it today to see how it flew and I was completely amazed.....it flew like a dart! Wow, that was cool.
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Nice job on that doe Killdeer! :saywhat: :thumbsup:
QuoteOriginally posted by arrow30:
the hawk and owl feather is illeagal to have .but i won't tell...if you don't tell on me.. :biglaugh:
Yeah I know what the feathers are. I found the owl one at the cemetary where my father in law is buried and I am not sure where the hawk came from picked it up off the ground somewhere. If they want to raid me for that I guess I will go to jail. LOL.
GREAT INFO ON THIS THREAD, THANKS FOR SHARING,,,,KEEP IT COMING...
yeah, very nice thread...really gets a guy think'in old school.
luv them heads!
Love this thread