I've seen this posted for years on web sites...
"I like to shoot them quartering away to avoid the shield".
I've tried to explain that this is not the case on a shielded boar....So at Solana I got pics of Michael's boar to add to the shot placements thread sticked at the top, so they can do the talking.
This is a pic of a shielded boar and the location of just how far back the shield goes and that you are not going to avoid the shield by shooting quartering away unless you shoot behind the rib cage, and that is a dicey shot.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/michshield2.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/michshield1.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/michshield3.jpg)
Also, if you do shoot quartering away, your are actually increasing the thickness of the shield you have to pass through because you are making the shield thicker by the quartering away angle.
I am not condemning a quartering away shot with this post, I've shot plenty that way. I'm just making folks aware that you are not going to avoid the shield.....unless of course you shoot that little soft pocked in the clip posted on the shot placement thread...and that soft spot can be shot broadside as well.
Good stuff Terry.
Thanks Terry :clapper:
That's thick and that's not even a real big hog.
that sure is thick i guess real sharp 2 bladed heads should do the trick.
Thanks Terry, very informative as I'm always looking at that anatomy charts of the quarry I intend to be hunting. Thanks again for the pics, leaving for pig gig Thursday. :archer2:
More good 1st hand advice!
Thanks T
Eric
I truly believe the shield is not a penetration problem. It's the wire like hair, thick hide and mud that is the barrier.
The hide on a boar is very tough, but once thru a sharp broadhead shoud have no problem going thru the grissle of the sheild. It's not created to be bullet proof, but rather the thickness of the shield is the protection.
Last one I killed I demonstrated this to a buddy.
I had him put steady pressure on the shield with a knife. It was a bugger to push thru the hide, but once thru it passed thru the shield like butter. Then we skinned part of the hide away from the shield and put a knife point to it. It pierced completly thru like it wasn't even there.
Bottom line is sharp, sharp, sharp broadheads will win the day.
QuoteOriginally posted by JEFF B:
that sure is thick i guess real sharp 2 bladed heads should do the trick.
Jeff....that sure should be taken into consideration based on folks set up.
I've passed through shields like that and thicker with 4 blades....with 580-630 grain arrows and bow weight ranges from 60 - 70#s.
This info is to enlighten folks to consider their equipment and head choice when facing up to a mature boar that could be heavily shielded.
Good point Robert....caked and hardened mud is a serious consideration...much more than the shield.....and yes, the hide is tuff.
Most of big hogs I've shot, the hair is not that much of threat as most have pretty sparse hair...but that little bit of hair does hold onto the caked mud.
Once you get through the mud and hide, the shield must be passed through with less energy to get to the vitals. All the pre vital barriers are a consideration. :thumbsup:
If I recall, that shield went back about 2 inches further than where the incision was made. It was an eye opener to see that sucker cut open.
Let me add to what I posted.... I have killed many hogs with a 56-56lb bow at my 29in draw and 515-580gr arrows. No way, no how would I drop down from that and shoot at a medium sized or bigger boar. I also limit my shots to 20 and under unless I already have an arrow in the pig.
Big sows..no problem.
WOW!!!
Thanks man, I'll remember that if I ever go hog hunting. Maybe someday.....
You are absolutely correct Mr.Green. The quartering shot is also likely to yield an inferior blood trail.
terry i may be going to texas later this year & im wondering will my 55# widow & skinny carbons (cx edge hunters ) with 150gn ww up front do the job ? total arrow weight is around 535gn .
any advice would be good ,
john
Graybark uk: getem flying strait and sharp and that set up will do the job.
I have no trouble killing hogs using a 50# ACS CX and a two blade head glued to a cedar or fir shaft (total wt 600 -650 gn).
As long as I put the arrow in the right place the animal dies quickly. :archer2:
Looks like Clint Eastwoods 44 round hit that Hog!
the set up works fine , ive had pass through`s on kudu in africa with it .
thanks for the help guy`s
all the best
john
Great info:::THANKS Terry
I have taken a few boars that had shields all the way to the hips - and when I skinned them out the hide stuck out sideways horizontal to the ground FROM THE NECK!!! - wish I had taken pics.
Never had trouble punching a shield with traditional heads - used all number of blades - I seem to get only 8 to 10 inches of penetration though - which is plenty in the "pocket".
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WOW :thumbsup:
I real eyeopener!!
Thanks for sharing!
Margly
Next time one of you fellas kill a Big boar cut the the hide up from under the brisket up towards the pocket. Easy to see the sweet spot.RC
Thanks for the great Hunting information.....
Great pics and information. Thanks for sharing.
Great info.I know nothing about pigs and it'll help if ever i go. Two more questions:Is this shield found only on boar? What's this for?
Some sows have them too. ....but its rare. Mostly for protection of vitals from fighting.
Thanks Terry ... its a whole lotta flesh ain't it. But in some ways I agree regarding the mud etc ... it, once caked on , can be a real arrow stopper .
This certainly explains all the worry about sharpening broadheads and shooting with correct form! Wow.
Killed a 200# boar on Sat and I was able to slip my WHOLE HAND inside the neck, fingertips touching spine all the way back to my wrist, from behind his head. I was showing my rifle buddies that their mantra of "shooting behind the ear" is BS.
Super sharp Grizzly 160gr right in the vitals behind the shoulder did the job.
He was weighed the next AM at 200# on the scale.
Great info from you guys,thanks again