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Title: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: Flying Dutchman on January 23, 2011, 01:44:00 PM
I don't have much experience with hunting yet. I was wondering what the above combination was good enough for for killing what animal?
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: Warchild on January 23, 2011, 01:50:00 PM
White tailed deer, possibly bear. It depends how straight the arrow is when it hits the target. You must match it to your bow. This set up would work for roughly a 45# - 50# bow. With a bow this light 500 grains plus would be an improvement but 450 should still work. Its much more important to hit the animal in the vitals with a SHARP broadhead.
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: Flying Dutchman on January 23, 2011, 01:55:00 PM
I matched it up with my bow very carefully. At my drawlenght the bow delivers 45 pounds, so it is 10 grains/lbs. I shoot for soem years now, but never hunted.  
I can shoot very accurate, the bow/arrow combination works very well for me, the vital zone won't be a problem till 30 yards.... And I DO have some very sharp Magnum Broadheads, honed by myself.
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: coaster500 on January 23, 2011, 02:11:00 PM
IMO.. at 10 gpp or so your good to go with a super sharp BH in the right place ...  go get um!!!
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: Bjorn on January 23, 2011, 02:11:00 PM
Sounds great Flying, and you are accurate too as you say. Practicing for hunting means a variety of conditions, up and down, and unknown yardages.
Practice stump shooting and 'picking a spot' as much as you can from different angles and positions; kneeling, crouching, sitting, etc. and bring your camera when you go!
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: Flying Dutchman on January 23, 2011, 02:26:00 PM
Bjorn,

I practice between 15 and 50 yards, all different distances all he time at a session. I do it in any postion, even laying on my belly! ( and yes, I am talking bowshooting here!   :)  )
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: Robert Honaker on January 23, 2011, 03:36:00 PM
What do you plan on hunting?  Not sure what you have there to hunt, but that set-up would be fine for whitetail deer and black bear here.

If you plan on boar I would want at least 500gr.  

I killed a 100lb sow the other day. Shot dead nuts in the shoulder at 20 yds and got bout eight inches penetration. She had no shield. If it had been the big boar that was with her I would have had a problem. I shoot 555gr.
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: Shedrock on January 23, 2011, 05:03:00 PM
That setup would kill a pronghorn, probably blow clean through.
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: customcrester on January 23, 2011, 05:04:00 PM
Anything you want to hunt! It's where you put the arrow that is more important.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: owlbait on January 23, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Deer, bear, goats.
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: koger on January 23, 2011, 05:39:00 PM
PUt a razor sharp head on the arrow, put it in the boiler room and get ready to eat some wild game! This is nearly exactly my same set up, I hunt deer and turkey here in KY, have taken 14 deer and 10 turkey's with trad gear and this set up. Pm me if I can help any.
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: jon boy on January 23, 2011, 05:55:00 PM
Anything smaller than a moose and nicer than a grizzly.  I would also shoot narrower broadheads for maximum penetration.
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: Friend on January 23, 2011, 09:43:00 PM
Keep us informed of the outcome.

Hopefully, it will be grand.
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: youngarcher1 on January 23, 2011, 11:54:00 PM
Seem good to me, like everyone else says it's more important where you hit with a sharp broadhead !
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: kibok&ko on January 24, 2011, 05:48:00 AM
Hi Neighbour traditionnal bow addict, nice speed for a 450 grs arrows !!! acording to the test i can read in TBM

i think you can kill properly many things but remenber

"speed don't kill" ... in this i'm a true believer

  :notworthy:
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: buejeger on January 24, 2011, 05:48:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Flying Dutchman:
I matched it up with my bow very carefully. At my drawlenght the bow delivers 45 pounds, so it is 10 grains/lbs. I shoot for soem years now, but never hunted.  
I can shoot very accurate, the bow/arrow combination works very well for me, the vital zone won't be a problem till 30 yards.... And I DO have some very sharp Magnum Broadheads, honed by myself.
Hi Flying Dutchman!
I was wondering how you get your broadheads,,,  The European Bowhunting Association has just issued a warning about traveling via the Netherlands with broadheads, even in checked baggage,,,  seems they are illegal to import and are being confiscated by the Dutch border police, there have been threats of fines and even arrest and imprisonment...  
They have advised NOT to travel via Holland when travelling to hunt.  I have been forced to change my flight plans for hunting this year...
Other than that I agree with the other posters about your set up.
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: Flying Dutchman on January 24, 2011, 08:37:00 AM
Hi Buejeger,

I am aware that broadheads are illegal in The Netherlands. Just as daggers and walking around with a knife in the woods... But I don't pay attention to that.  
There are several ways to get your broadheads. I always imported then simply from the US straight to The Netherlands and I never had a problem with it. I used to order them from 3-Rivers archery.
If you encounter problems with traveling over The Netherlands, then order them on forehand and send them to the adress you are staying.... If you are staying with friends, it is dead-easy!

Besides of that: If I drive 15 kilometer I am in Belgium. Broadheads are not forbidden there.... One of my Archery shops is located 500 meter from the Belgium Border. He delivers broadheads, but if he sells them we walk till we are in Belgium. There he sells them to me and then we walk back. So he did nothing illegal....    :knothead:

Now, how is the hunting arranged in Norway? Do you hunt a lot over there????
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: Flying Dutchman on January 24, 2011, 08:43:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by kibok&ko:
Hi Neighbour traditionnal bow addict, nice speed for a 450 grs arrows accordind to the test i can read in TBM

i think you can kill properly many things but remenber

"speed don't kill" ... in this i'm a true believer

  :notworthy:  
Hi "almost" neighbour from France (Belgium is between us), what do you mean with TBM?

How is bowhunting in France? I got an invitation to come to Perpignan to shoot some big, mean, nasty hogs.....but they seem to taste great! I can smell the bacon already....
I am really looking forward for that..
How is the hunt arranged there? Do you need any paperwork or do you have to pay much????
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: SteveB on January 24, 2011, 08:44:00 AM
For me - anything legal to hunt in North America.
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: buejeger on January 24, 2011, 09:15:00 AM
Hi again FD,
thanks for your answer..  a good workaround   :D  

Here in Norway, no problems with broadheads, bowhunting though is not yet legal, but the Norwegian bowhunting association is working hard on getting that the law that forbids it changed..  its just a matter of wording really, as per today the law says that projectiles must be powered by gunpowder....  we hope to get this changed soon, In Denmark it is legal up to Roe deer size, and it looks like Sweden is going to be successful too... so I hope we will follow soon   :)  
In the mean time I have to travel overseas to hunt.
Title: Re: 450 grains/190 fps, enough to kill what?
Post by: kibok&ko on January 24, 2011, 12:10:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Flying Dutchman:
   
QuoteOriginally posted by kibok&ko:
Hi Neighbour traditionnal bow addict, nice speed for a 450 grs arrows accordind to the test i can read in TBM

i think you can kill properly many things but remenber

"speed don't kill" ... in this i'm a true believer

     :notworthy:    
Hi "almost" neighbour from France (Belgium is between us), what do you mean with TBM?

How is bowhunting in France? I got an invitation to come to Perpignan to shoot some big, mean, nasty hogs.....but they seem to taste great! I can smell the bacon already....
I am really looking forward for that..
How is the hunt arranged there? Do you need any paperwork or do you have to pay much???? [/b]
hello TBM = Traditional Bowhunter Magazine, in all of it you read a bow test report

Bowhunting in france is 100 % OK and legal since 1995, same opening time for every body and same right ou reglementation as for rifle, quite unique in europe so far

You need to show an hunting licence from your country  to get a licence yo hunt for some days it's not very expensive. If you are the guest of somebody that will cost you nothing

there are private ou national forest place where you can pay a lot to hunt ...

Hunting is still on many many place under the controll of Village Hunter s association, cheap tax to get in but the problem is if you're not from the place ... if you are the grandson of a well know hunter from the past in this valley it's will be easy but if you're not living there and coming from nowhere it's very difficult to get in ...

Bowhunting now is the only type of hunt who recruit hunters from no-hunting urban family and there are many many association of bow hunters now ine all the area of France

some of my hunt storys in TG

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