I'm not having a go at anyone, but I was just wondering why people hunt coyotes as they are not edible or feral. I'm from australia and am merely trying to broaden my knowledge on american hunting
Here in Ohio they are considered a varmit species. They are a very worthy game to hunt. They are smart and skidish making them at time difficult to hunt. I my circle of friends it is somewhat of a competition to see how many we can get. If you want you can always use their fur and hides for trad projects.
They kill deer. I try to kill deer. Here in upstate New York we have more yotes than deer where I hunt. You can use the hides or sell them. Like stated, they can be quite a challange.
I agree with bkyrdshooter!
Same reason dingos are shot here. Coyotes are a heck of a trophy for a trad archer, smart and tough.
smart, hard to kill, the challenge, the fun of the hunt, hunt them all year, the pelts, this list is a long one.
I guess ame reason why we hunt foxes in europe. When we as hunters decide to hunt deer, hare, rabbit etc. (prey species) we must keep an balance on things and also hunt predators.
* they compete with me (and win) for game I want to hunt.
* their pelts are cool - I want some of them.
* they are *way* overpopulated here (Central Ohio).
* they are smart and challenging.
You may as well ask, "why hunt deer/hogs/whatever". We don't need the meat and it's cheaper to buy it at the store anyway - what's the point. You don't want to go down that road.
I know very little about the Aussie "Dingo", but then, they are on the other side of the world, and I have never seen one.
I have coyotes in my backyard (literally), and I know very little about them after hunting them for YEARS.
I HAVE learned that they have the ability to learn and adapt faster that me.
they are predators, and they (think).
whereas deer are prey ,they dont think ,they react...
oz_b ---- Good thoughts here.
I like coyotes - but I do hunt them and think that all serious hunters should. I don't hunt them out of any animous. I respect them and enjoy hearing them. I think they have a "net benefit" effect on game for a couple a reasons.
1 they clean up the woods by nocking down rats - other rodents - stuff like that.
2 deer move better in daylight where coyotes live since deer do need to be aware of coyotes working at night
3 i like them cleaning up some smaller trash like loose pets - cats - wandering dogs.
I think their impact on deer is overated. I do know they eat a decent number of piglets - but this might be helping. In both cases (deer / hogs) they eat far more carcass than actually making a kill.
All that said - if we did not hunt and trap coyotes they would take over our hunting land and ruin our options - simply because they are so smart and so effective - they are in the woods 24 / 7 - while we need to make a living.
And like most furbearers and also as canines - they can be very prone to disease when their population is high. Therefor coyotes benefit from being managed.
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I always heard the last two living things on earth would be the coyote and the cockroach.
I hunt them for a living, yes it's my job. I mainly do livestock protection but have worked on a deer project in the past.
I have a meeting this morning on a possible antelope project with the game and fish. One particular herd is hurting, and needs some coyote control.
A fellow trapper worked another antelope area several years ago, and brought the pronghorn numbers up about 300%.
Coyotes kill alot more deer and antelope, both fawns and adult, than most people think. They take their share of elk calves also. Full grown elk are not a problem for old wiley niether under the right circumstances, such as deep snow. A friend of mine witnessed 3 coyotes take down an adult cow elk a couple weeks ago in deep snow.
Coyotes are bad enough, now we are getting more and more wolves in this part of the state.
As stated a very worthy opponent with trad gear and other than fawns they also pray on quail, rabbits and turkey's. They can very quickly become over populated as well and will dominate an area.
I plan on giving them a shot (so to speak) because I feel like they are going to compete with me for turkeys and the few quail we have on the farm.
They kill anything they can catch wild or domestic.
yep they catch and eat rats, coons, skunks, possums, house cats, snakes
all the stuff that eats quail, turkeys, nesting ducks, song birds, rabbits ect
google mesopredators and coyotes
coons are the principle turkey predator in most areas that they are prevalent
They are competitors for two resources that I am after (deer, turkey). And because it is legal. And my nephew likes the pelts.
Over 20 years ago a friend of Mine and I would go to His uncles farm and would hunt them, Some of the neighboring ranchers would also have US come a hunt them... We got $2.00 a Yote from the ranchers and also sold the hides to a old trapper. The meat was used to bring them in for a free/last meal.
Wish I would have known then what I know now... You can make some good money selling yote hides. Back then we just got enuff for beer, bullets and gas from a weekend of hunting. If I remember right for 1 yote We got $12.00 total.
Yotes are in 49 States now and walking thru NYC at nite You can see them walking around too. Yotes are both Good and Evil, More so Evil for they hunt and kill more game and pets then the members of PETA..
Saw a coyote research project on tv a couple weeks back. Believe it was South Carolina. Basically said coyotes moved into that state back in the late 80's. And that there was a noticeable decline in deer population or harvest. Not sure which. But no solid proof to back it up.
So, this biologist is conducting a fawn mortality research project. They place some kind of sensor in a pregnant doe's vagina. When she gives birth, the sensor along with the fawn/s come out. The researchers are ready, find the fawn, and collar them to check survival rates.
The first year I believe they collared like 33 fawns. Not positive. And only about 8 survived. The rest mainly died from coyote predation or another cause. I thought that was a lot. He said the first 6 weeks of the fawns life are the most important. They have not lost a single fawn to coyotes after 6 weeks. Not positive on all the numbers, but pretty close. I'd say they have an impact on deer.
I found a den once with 23 fawn skulls.
They are a 'worthy adversary'.
Who says they aren't edible??
They did a study here in Maine to check the "weak, sick" proposition, to test if coyotes did help the herd health. They found a ratio of healthy to sick confirmed coyote kills equal with auto killed deer. The biologist came to the conclusion that the coyotes are not selective on kills, but take down any deer they can catch. North of here where deer tend to congregate in yards due to the deep snow of winter, the coyotes can be especially hard on the population.
They are everywhere now and they do'nt follow the typical prey-predator cycle,means that they adapt and eat any and everything,a good challenge too.
QuoteOriginally posted by The Vanilla Gorilla:
Who says they aren't edible??
I know some guys who ate at least one. Right Darren!
I was struck by the word feral.
My understanding is the word means raised in the wild so I can't think of any critter out there that's more feral based on my definition.
I wouldn't hesitate to kill any that gave me the opportunity because they are worthy of being my adversary and they're legal.
Just one more opinion.
God bless,Mudd
("Feral" means escaped or reverted from domestication. Coyotes are not a domesticated animal in the US).
I raise chickens and turkeys - semi free range. In the past three months I have lost two turkeys to coyote.
I also enjoy grouse and rabbit hunting. Coyotes can be very hard on anything that is ground nesting. This past deer season I saw as many coyote as deer - though the coyote were out of range or moving fast.
I am an opportunistic hunter of coyote - usually encountering them when I am hunting something else or looking out a window.
because they are way WAY over populated. i see many a year, hear a ton of them (can hear them almost every night). just to many. really dont have any natural predators if any around here so something has to keep there numbers in check. im not mad at them for killing a ton of deer (its natural for them, there doing nothing wrong) but theres to many yotes in the areas i hunt and yes they do put a big hurt on the deer pop in my area. i havnt got one yet (got real close a few times but never got into my lanes). plus other yotes and animals will eat there bodies so its like your just feeding the wild life
Oh, I'm not mad at them. That is their nature. I'm not mad at leeches, gram negative bacteria, rats or mosquitoes, either.
Mosquitoes :biglaugh: doesnt stop me from slapping them :laughing:
Feel the same way about Coyotes. Great analogy Charlie
cagey bast**ds are fun to shoot and you can hunt em yr. round out here
QuoteOriginally posted by Stumpkiller:
Oh, I'm not mad at them. That is their nature. I'm not mad at leeches, gram negative bacteria, rats or mosquitoes, either.
mosquitoes make it personal. i do hate those sobs haha. sick of getting eaten alive during turkey season. nothing annoys me more then having a big bird coming in and being covered with biting mosquitoes, its like they know i cant move at that time and take full advantage of it :mad:
They eat fawns rabbits and turkeys,nuff said
Not really sure why you would want us to justify shooting coyotes ? :wavey:
They are not natural to Ohio and they kill our foxes, wild turkey, squirrels, rabbits and anything else they can eat every chance they get. I'm not too worried about them killing deer since we have plenty of those. Wolves, bear and mountain lion were our natural predators here. Unfortunately we have no lions, wolves and low numbers of bear now. The coyotes make up for the loss of those predators and then some, but hurt too many of our other natural specias. They need to be eliminated or at least reduced in number.
Here is the proof they are not native to ohio;
http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Home/species_a_to_z/SpeciesGuideIndex/coyote/tabid/6598/Default.aspx
All the above. It's just flat out fun also!
Because they're as common as rats here, they beat down quail , rabbits and deer (fawns) and they will sit out in the fields from my kennels calling to my labs. If they can call your dog out they will eat him too. I have heard yotes call out and kill a house dog before and it is not a good sound when they get him. I'm for killing them all, which gives good use to the very little left when I process a deer, coyote bait. Taking one with a bow would be cool but I dislike them enough that a .243 WIN 85gr HP is perfect.
Gene,
I don't think anyone was criticizing with the original topic question. Here in Oz we can only hunt introduced species and as such the 'vibe' that many have attached to coyotes seems pretty negative as a species. I spoke with a fella recently who wanted to shoot at least 50 of them before winter ended. He seemed really excited and driven to accomplish this .
I , too, have often wondered at this perception.
The knowledge that they are , fun to hunt, hard on other native species and often in plague proportions is most likely the answer to satisfy even the most conservative of hunters.
Cory Mattson's response was just I had expected and gave a perfectly reasonable explanation for the why's and where-fore's of hunting them that makes it sound not only necessary but a challenging way to hunt.
The hunting and culling of Australia's introduced vermin i would suggest is a vastly different issue that has far greater ecological impact than you can imagine . We lose delicate eco systems constantly to feral dogs, cats, pigs, goats, horses , wild cattle and buff.
I don't think the original topic was a criticism .
The problem, as I see it, is that we have eliminated the coyote's natural controls - wolves, large cats, food scarcity - and so they have done a bang-up job of filling their niche and expanding it. They are very adaptable - like crows, raccoons and squirrels. And whitetail (thankfully). They exist in remote regions and right on into the cities and suburbs.
They are hard to hunt ,smarter than most people , Where I hunt them its a love hate thing .The ranchers wants some for the squirrels but they tear up the irrigation systems, and they breed like flies.Hard on deer and other game. Most of the ones I do hunt never see deer theres no deer in the valley but they do get lots of lambs and some calfs . They are the American Jackel. And not bad barby qued. :eek: no way.
QuoteOriginally posted by buckeye_hunter:
They are not natural to Ohio and they kill our foxes, wild turkey, squirrels, rabbits and anything else they can eat every chance they get. I'm not too worried about them killing deer since we have plenty of those. Wolves, bear and mountain lion were our natural predators here. Unfortunately we have no lions, wolves and low numbers of bear now. The coyotes make up for the loss of those predators and then some, but hurt too many of our other natural specias. They need to be eliminated or at least reduced in number.
So coyotes aren't native to Ohio? Not trying to be a jerk, but I have a hard time believing that.
Seems like I read or heard that coyotes were originally naitive to the pacific northwest. Then as the wolf was killed out with the westward expansion, the coyote spread east since the wolf was the coyotes main predator.
Any truth to this?
From Wiki:
The coyote (pronounced /kaɪˈoʊtiː/ or /ˈkaɪ.oʊt/[2]) (Canis latrans), also known as the American jackal or the prairie wolf,[3] is a species of canine found throughout North and Central America, ranging from Panama in the south, north through Mexico, the United States and Canada. It occurs as far north as Alaska and all but the northernmost portions of Canada.[4] There are currently 19 recognized subspecies, with 16 in Canada, Mexico and the United States, and 3 in Central America.[5] Unlike its cousin the Gray Wolf, which is Eurasian in origin, evolutionists theorize that the coyote evolved in North America during the Pleistocene epoch 1.81 million years ago[6] alongside the Dire Wolf.[7] Unlike the wolf, the coyote's range has expanded in the wake of human civilization, and coyotes readily reproduce in metropolitan areas.[8]
There's always more than one reason for any species to go into decline but here in Indiana they have been a major player in the decline of quail, rabbits, fox, groundhog and grouse. They'll eat the back end out of a birthing cow, same for sows,and it's common for a bitch coyote in heat to lure male dogs into an ambush of male coyotes. They at times appear to be either stupid or fearless, A few years back I had just shot a squirrel with my .32 flintlock. I don't know if the coyote smelled the fresh kill or what but started trotting in towards me. I was about 10 feet from the tree, out in the open and reloading. The thing had to have seen me as I was moving around, but kept coming. I thought "bad day for you" and at about 10yds I dropped it like a sack of cement.The few people we let hunt on the farm have standing orders to kill the damn things.
Even though the Ohio DNR web site claims coyotes are not native here, (but they've been wrong before) I have to agree with TxAg - I have a hard time believing wolves, cougars, bison, and elk were once here and not coyotes.
Thanks everyone, i think my curiousity has been satisfied. And gene, you may have misunderstood me, i am not critisizing anyone or demanding explanations, simply i am 15 and trying to broaden my understanding of bowhunting,
Thanks
It gets mighty cold here too mate and they make you afine hat too.They get too many and have to be thinned out to keep them from taking to much of our other game species and livestock ,pets,etc.Its always been that way.Doesnt mean that we dont have respect for them and or see the beauty in them.Come on out to Oregon,and Ill take you out in our high desert and show you.Of course,then id have to come check out your neck of the woods too!Your question was a worthy one Oz and I appreciated it .Good Job.
Because they kill my sheep .. my chickens.. and have taken out more than a few house cats over the years that I was darn fond of .. in fact I hear a pack howling as I write this.
Trust me.. they are the last thing you want
(Unfortunately we have no lions,)
I hunt coyotes because they are a predator and kill a lot of deer, elk and antelope especially the fawn crop, not to mention domestic livestock calves, when the cows are calving. I watched a deer try to shake off a coyote hanging from her neck and she fell over the river bank and the coyote let go when I yelled at my buddy to look at what was happening. The wolves here in Idaho are having a huge effect on our big game herds and are really taking a toll on our deer and elk. We can't hunt the wolves and they kill a lot more deer and elk than the coyotes. Actually the wolves kill the coyotes. Between the two our big game herds are suffering.
Coyotes are like hogs. You can kill every one you see, and there are ten in the bush laughing at you.
Here are some other websites to referenence as to whether coyotes are or are not native to Ohio.
http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=1129
http://www.dublin.oh.us/nature/wildlife/coyotes.php
No offense taken by the way. If we can't prove what we say, we shouldn't likely say it!
QuoteOriginally posted by The Vanilla Gorilla:
Who says they aren't edible??
Edible and digestible are two totally different things. And you might could do both but be hurting in the morning. About like eating a crow. No offense to you crow eaters. :D
Yotes are indeed one of the best hunting challenges out there! Grab your bow and calls and see how many you get a chance at in a day or month or year, smart varmints that like to eat a lot of our pheasants, quail, let alone our domestic livestock and pets ! I say Have At Em Man ! Good Shooting !
Increase the deer #'s.
Best reason right there.I'm taking up trapping to reduce them.
Why hunt coyotes? Here in the northeast, they are one of the slickest critters you can go after. I hunt and trap them all season and learn a lesson each and every time I go out. They have a nose that will put a whitetail's to shame. Along with the fawn population, they will kill and eat most anything they find in your snares before you get to them.
buckeye_hunter - Being native depends on how far back you want to go...8^) Canine is canine, just different sizes and colors.
The grey wolf is Eurasian in origin, whereas the coyote evolved in North America.
They are loosely affiliated with the Taliban......
I have a better question.
Why not hunt them? :confused: :archer:
Excellent question, my downunder bandito. I have thoroughly enjoyed learning more about these rascally coyotes. Thank you for spurring this discussion.
Killdeer :thumbsup:
I have hunted coyotes for many years. I love em and hate em, but I always respect their ability to survive.
I once got permission to hunt deer on some prime Illinois farm land owned by a couple old sisters runing a small dairy farm. They said I could hunt deer if I also shot at coyotes.
They told me that the coyotes were so bold that they would come into the yard during daylight and snatch up their barn cats.
Those two gals hated coyotes................I loved that coyote habits got me permission to hunt deer on some fine property.
I shot some with my bow and some with my rifle.
One morning I shot a nice buck and left the woods to get help to drag him out. The coyotes found him and took an entire hind quarter in less than two hours.
Since moving back home to North Iowa, I do my best to keep them thinned down. Between myself and a few friends, we get 50 to 70 per winter.
I love the time spent with my friends trying to outwit coyotes. We don't even come close to getting them all.
The Coyotes just keep making more. I can say without a doubt that without hunters thinning down coyotes, all we would have is coyotes.
Nature can and will take care of it's self but we are a part of nature. We could sit back and watch the coyotes over populate then go through a natural decline with sickness like mange that also spreads to fox and other species.
The problem is,that until nature gets done taking it's sweet time cycling the coyote numbers back down, we will lose too much ground in the populations of other wildlife.
We are the trump card that makes wildlife management work.