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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Ibex on January 19, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
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Finding hogs in my normally non pressured hunting spot has been frustrating lately due to a few guys running dogs. Here in CA it's daylight hunting only and no bait. Any pointers? Thanks, Steve
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I am not sure what to tell you. Most of the hogs taken in my area are on private land. I am suppose to hook up with some of those guys soon.
The pay to hunt spots are tough and expensive for the trad hunter.
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Dog hunting hogs is the cruelest thing I've ever seen. They will sure run 'em out of an area altogether too.
That's one of the reasons we lease land down here.
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You'll need more luck and skill than ever before. The situation just plain sucks.
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In my country hunter has used dogs for wild boar hunting since forever.It is very frustraiting because as you see some tracks and you try to pattern the hogs someone else see them too and they run the dogs and kill them or push them away from the area.Lot of dedication and time to be successful.
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I can see this is gonna turn into a dog bashing. I thought this was a traditional archery web site.
Dogs have been used for hunting as long or even longer than the bow. As with every hunting method there is arguably a cruelty factor. I guess with the advent of video and the internet you can now see a caught pig, the catch dog on it and it squealing ( a natural defense mechanism). If we could follow an arrow shot animal and watch it go through it`s death maybe that would seem cruel too.
I`m not for one second condoning cruel treatment and unethical hunting methods or practices, and yes there is bad apples in every barrel but I think we tend to ignore that when you use dogs the dogs decide which animal to catch, and they have no ethic`s. You decide which animal to shoot and your entirely entitled to choose your own ethics and goals.
Sorry to go on
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I hunt pressured hogs also. My favorite way to go about it is to hunt escape routes. Even when a dog is after a hog, it will usually take the same route to first leave the area. Mind you, they will not hold to the same path all the time, but the first flight will be very simular.
It will take basically the same exit when being chased as it would when it is not chased, in my experience.
I like to find a feeding source and then the exit route and set up an ambush. Spot and stalk is always alot of fun and can be very productive at times.
The last area I hunted had a great escape route from some farmland. When I was hunting, the hogs walked through this same corridor every time they left the field... perfect.
God Bless,
Nathan
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I agree with Biggie - he and I have seen first hand what dog hunting hogs results in. Being 'pro' tradional does not mean we are required to look the other way when someone elses method destroys quality hunting and wastes game.
We cannot "all get along" - I for one have a zero tolerance on dogs catching game. Trailing, pointing, retrieving OK - even a soft drive on a leash would not bother me. But wanton destruction is not allowed when I am around.
But to the original point of the post: Eliminate the dogs - or find another place to hunt.
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I scouted hogs a bunch in Italy too - Yikes the number of hunters who use dogs there is amazing!!! It made ALL the hogs I ever saw there nocturnal - I feel your pain brother - Italy is beautiful - but very difficult hunting.
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I don't dog hunt for deer or hogs but it is legal on the public land I do hunt. The dog hunters have every right to hunt where it is legal. Altho I have had dogs run over me while still hunting and ruin my hunt, that is just part of the game on public land. I enjoy just being out in the woods and taking an animal is secondary. Let's all get along
James...................
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I am with Biggie and Cory on this one, I hunted hogs with dogs, ONCE ! that was enough. I don't want to get along with guys that let there dogs run across my land. Never seen a deer dog that was well taken care of.
Good luck hunting those hogs that have been chased, those hogs will be the hardest you ever hunted.
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Hound hunting hogs my be tough and hard on the animals, but then again so it overpopulation of hogs on farmlands and sensitive natural areas. So long as it is legal I don't spend my time fighting for or against one hunting method or another. I just choose to hunt my own way and work everything to optimize my chances for a kill.
For me it is still hunting and lots of scouting to find the right places to do it in.
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He asked for tips.
I'm in the same situation, Steve. And the doggers in my area don't recognize boundaries very well. They reckon that because they got a cur, a pitbull and a mule, that they can cross any fence they encounter.
The best advice I can offer up is to just try too be one step ahead and try to hunt as remote as a place you can get to. They'll tend to hit an area hard for a while then leave it alone. That's when you can move in.
Also, a lot of the guys won't run their hounds when the temps get close to 100 in the summer. That's when I like to get after the pigs.
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First off, dog hunting is not a population control measure. It's highly inefficient, and it is for sport. Got a population problem? Traps, guns, and pros can help.
I went dog hunting once. ONCE. Never again. I don't see the sport in 5 bay hounds versus one hog, plus two HUGE pitbulls on top of that. Most hogs are far smaller than a combined pack pf dogs. The guys I went with were very, very excited by spilling blood. That 100% turned my stomach.
Dog hunters will run off your game; deer, hogs, whatever. I'm with Biggie, sorry dog hunting fans.
Chris I'm willing to bet dogs have been domesticated a shorter time period than the oldest known bow and arrow.....just sayin'.
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Originally posted by Limey Chris:
I can see this is gonna turn into a dog bashing. I thought this was a traditional archery web site.
Dogs have been used for hunting as long or even longer than the bow. As with every hunting method there is arguably a cruelty factor. I guess with the advent of video and the internet you can now see a caught pig, the catch dog on it and it squealing ( a natural defense mechanism). If we could follow an arrow shot animal and watch it go through it`s death maybe that would seem cruel too.
I`m not for one second condoning cruel treatment and unethical hunting methods or practices, and yes there is bad apples in every barrel but I think we tend to ignore that when you use dogs the dogs decide which animal to catch, and they have no ethic`s. You decide which animal to shoot and your entirely entitled to choose your own ethics and goals.
Sorry to go on
Yep..everone has to make their own choices here. But I've seen the trail of pigs killed by the dogs on the way to the boar they were after. When they catch a pig anywhere under 40# or so, they just kill it and go on.
No dog bashing and no disputing hunting history. Just the way it is.
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Thanks alot for the feedback. Nathan, I'll definately give that escape route tip a try. Steve
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Sorry Ibex, didn't mean to get your thread off track but someone would've 8-(
I did say that leasing a place is the only way to control how it's hunted but if you saw Thomas post, that doesn't always work either.
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Up here in Missouri, we don't have the hogs like you guys do, but there are a number of them in the south part of the state. The conservation dept wants all of them shot on sight, but the guys that live in those areas run them with dogs a lot. It very difficult to bowhunt them because of the pressure from the dog hunters.
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here hogs are varmints of the worst order and the DNR would love to eliminate all of them they are feral pest specie that does a lot of damage to game animals song bird populations and crops
I don't hunt them with dogs, but I also have nothing against someone else doing so as long as they are obeying the laws.
Lastly if dogs chasing deer and hogs made them leave an area coyotes would have the same affect.
I've had dogs run deer right past me and 10 minutes later some other deer comes strolling by. Deer and canines have been going at it forever and deer are well adapted to dealing with them.
before dogs it was wolves which to a deer is the same thing
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I do both. We catch hogs a couple times a year to make bar hogs and u enjoy it. Cory and Biggie are 2 of my best friends-we choose to diagree on this. Oh well.
Bowhunting will definitely slow down after running dogs. That's why I don't do it often.
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I enjoy it- not u enjoy it.
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I guess I`m very much in the minority. Thats ok, more and more these days it`s become an advantage.
I`m also in the minority if thats ya`lls experience with hog dogs. We generally hunt public land, in fact leaving for Florida at midnight tonight,]. We only have 3 dogs and non of them catch. If we get to the dogs and they have a pig bayed we generally kill it and take it home. I will tip my hat to the gentleman who said bows had been used longer than dogs. i have to agree and was obviously talking out my hat.
I am surprised that Mr Hoffman doesn`t feel killing a 40# pig is worth while, or maybe his experience ids they kill it and leave it lay, which is deplorable.
To give a nod to the original post I would hunt on off days like mid week or so. In my experience pigs stay on a 2-3 day feeding route and the group that was gone when the dogs where there will show up sooner or later.
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Originally posted by Marty:
I enjoy it- not u enjoy it.
Fingers too fat for the keys on the iphone eh?
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Nope- holdin a dog and typin.
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now that's funny Marty!
I have never seen hog hunting with dogs have any impact on hog population at my club in Cohoma Co Mississippi. HogCowboys do not even make a dent. I have same amount of trail pics of same hogs hours after they leave. so I disagree with those that say dog ruins the hunting.
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Enjoy hearing apack un a race! nothign against dog hunting as I enjoy it - but each of us have had differing experiences. Wouldn't judge all by a one hunt or experience though.
Feel your pain as well - as deer here are super nocturnal after being pushed by dogs. HOWEVER - I have many times killed deer that were stirred up into walking by a pack of close proximity hounds. These deer were not the focus of the pack and the deer knew it. But not wanting to become the focus of the pack they just stepped side. I have had deer walk out right behind a pack of hounds - within minutes of their passing through my area.
Far as hogs go? I will throw an inexperienced idea - is there any thicker areas you can crawl into? They prolly just going to stay and hold tight in that thick stuff. Know I speak of deer but that is what I will do for them - get a stand up in the stuff I have to cut a trail into witha blade weed whacker!
J
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I've been hog dogging once. It was a little loud for me (the squealing). I don't have a problem with it at all as long as they're on land that they have permission to be on.
Hogs are really thick in TX...a serious problem across the state. They are not a game animal...they are a feral animal. It may turn the stomachs of some, but I'm all for killing them in any fashion available. I also don't care if they're eaten or left in the field.
As to the original question: If you can walk and stalk...I'd get to where the water is and find the thickest brush you can. Try to find them laid up rather than waiting for them to cross your path on their way to food.
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Any pressured game will seek the safest cover which is 99% nocturnal. Borrow some dogs of your own.
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sorry Ibex in advance for getting off topic, but the cruelity extends to the dogs as well, we have fellows on our lease who are always having dogs killed or badly wounded by boars, they wont use the kevlar dog vests due to the boars "cutters" hanging in the material, and then the person running the dogs is as said above killing them with a knife or other means that do not set well at all with me, its not a quick kill for the pig or dog.. and basicly a blood letting
sorry had to get that off my chest
but pressured hogs need to be hunted on the trails to a food source not at the source in my experience
thanks Dave
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Here in California in areas that have traditionally used dogs to bay up hogs (like Booneville, Ca.) the pigs are extremely on edge all the time to the extent that they are likely to charge at even the slightest sound when they are in thicker cover making it a danger for ground hunting bowhunters. In open terrain they simply line out away from you and will not stop until they have put several ridge tops between them and whatever they heard. That is the downfall of hunting hogs that have been run by dogs alot in my experience. Good luck.