got into a serious mess of rabbit the last two days and was able to try out a bunch of different small game heads
ace hex
3 rivers hammer
judo
G5 S.G.H.
the first two have proven to be good stumping heads but rather ineffective as hunting heads the judo and S.G.H. were utterly DEVISTATING !
all were 125 grain
has anyone else had unsatifactory results with so called bunny busting heads ?
just checking
:campfire:
Things I learned this year.
1)You can belly crawl 600 yards using the wind row of canola to get within 15 yards of a big sleepy mulie buck. I would never even think about doing this with a whitetail.
2)When he stands up and gives you a shot you are looking down to check that the arrow is still nocked (I knew I should have tightened them up).
3)after all that the shot he gives you is fine for a powder burner, not for your stick and string.
4) Don't forget the pack frame when your elk hunting.
:eek: Knotter - Open the window when using a lot of Duco.
I like a head called the GameNabber. It has little vanes like a turbine and rips a good hole.
Judos don't hold up for me in the local soil (rocks and gravel). The legs get damaged. I do keep a couple on hand for bunnies in grassy fields.
Here's my "arsenal" of small-game heads.
Blunt, Ace blunt, GameNabber, Judo, Tiger Claw, Magnus blunt, Modoc Chief broadhead.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Stumpkiller/Bowhunting/HPIM2021.jpg)
The Tiger Claw - now called the "Barta Blunt" - whacks 'em good but can be a mess getting it back out of a rabbit. Push it on through. I thought the regular blunt and Ace did a good job on our local cottontails. Squirrels locally are a lot hardier and harder to kill.
I started using the NAP spitfire expandable broad heads. I was using judos and SGH but had a couple of rabbits that I hit get away. They will open up on a rabbit. Also the expandable blades act like a judo and will stand the arrow up so that you can find them also. The one drawback to them is that they do not bust brush very well.
I shoot Talons...a lot :D
They are tough as nails, efficient illers and don't ruin meat. If you need an arrow to hang up in brush, slide a Scorpio on it.
Gotta love those Talons! I need more if them!!!!!!
Terry Green did a How To for small game heads ant I like them. you can use this head on any small game from coon to field mouse.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000055
I prefer to use a Flu Flu fletch with a big old 2 blade broadhead like a Magnus or Tusker for rabbit and grouse. They make a clean cut and don't shred/ bruise the little guys to death.
If they get bent just hammer them straight on a rock.
The only drawback with a broadhead is for a critter in a tree over 6 feet up that you can't climb. :)
Pete
Here's a couple pics of some bunny killers I made with Tusker Deltas. I also have some made from Snuffers similar to Terry's. The Talon is another great head for bunnies.
(http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv249/KenSel_Hunt/Stuff%20I%20Made/Smallgameheads.jpg)
(http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv249/KenSel_Hunt/Stuff%20I%20Made/Smallgamehead.jpg)
holy balls that looks medieval!
that makes me rethink my nutters...
-hoov
I have used Hammer heads, Hex head, steel blunts, Game Nabber, and Zwickey Broadheads, and had good success with all, Kenneth those are some awesome looking heads.
My experience on rabbits, but especially squirrels, has shown inconsistent results with std. blunts, judos, hex heads, etc. etc. etc. Now only use old broadheads that I've "blunted" the points on a grinder, then re-sharpened. Hope this is helpful & good luck. Best regards, Todd
I've never had any problems killing squirrels or cottontails with Hex Heads.
I agree with Birdbow. Squirrels are tougher than rabbits.
Anyone try those VPA "Small Game Thumper" (SGT) heads?
Thanx
I just a few of those Zbone. Haven't got to try them yet. Hope to soon.
I decided to make some heads out of broadheads after watching a oppossum try to crawl off with a hex through the lungs, and a 3r hammer and judo in the head. I ended it's suffering with a big stick.
I've also got some of the VPA SGH and they look like they should work well but I haven't got to use them yet.
I`ve done purty good on squirrels with the hex heads but with judos not so good. I`ve knocked a lot of squirrels out of the tree with judos that got away.RC
I have used a lot of different blunts for small game. My experience is that on rabbits, pretty much anything will take care of them, but squirrels are a lot tougherr. Ace hex blunts have been doing a good job on them this year.
Those Tuskers look pretty wicked.
Just old broadheads used here for bunnies!
QuoteOriginally posted by J. Oles:
Those Tuskers look pretty wicked.
Just old broadheads used here for bunnies!
+1. And skwerls, 2.
I'm coming back to archery and hunting after about thirty years being gone. What I find odd is that I can't find any of the tiny broadheads that used to be around in the 70's. They were about the size of the little, flint birdheads. They had two, very sharp blades. I sure wish I still had some of them around or that someone would make them again.
Judos' work, but what a mess they can make!
QuoteOriginally posted by Spectre:
QuoteOriginally posted by J. Oles:
Those Tuskers look pretty wicked.
Just old broadheads used here for bunnies!
+1. And skwerls, 2. [/b]
Yep, but only ground shots as Pete mentioned. I still have a carbon arrow with a Tusker on it stuck about 20ft up a pine tree that didn't seem very high when I shot from my tree stand. :knothead:
I never could see shooting my two blade Ace 125s at small game but I guess it would be better than decimating the little critter. (kinda what Pete said)
Not familiar with the "talons"...can someone post a pic?
Have used judos for a stumpin arrow but really never pursued small game that much.
that's not a blunt, this is a blunt!
(http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd349/ozyclint/DSCF3160.jpg)
home made of course! they are 2" wide.
these things have increased my hit and kill rate on rabbits by a mile. i got sick of just missing them or taking fur off. just graze them with these and it makes a cut big enough to drop their guts out.
i shot a rabbit just yesterday with one. it was sitting right on the edge of a big blackberry bush at 20m. when i went to pick up my arrow i found where it had run into the bush. it was marked by it's guts snagged on the thorny blackberry canes. it made it about 2m into the bush.
so i guess you don't follow the blood trail with these things, instead you follow the 'entrail'
LOL
Holy Creamola Batman!!
A two inch entry.... :scared:
Imagine the blunt force energy with all that arrow behind it...beats the stuffins outta a traditional blunt...
Shoot a hog with that thing you would have to look in the next county to find him.
Prolly don't lose too many arrows tho..
Ozzy How much does that outboard prop weigh.
Macatawa.
Go to Stan M's post on page 1 and click on his link. Red Feather Archery also in the sponsors link. Deadly little head! I need more of them!
Thanks Matt...
Now THAT is cool! Great design :thumbsup:
My pleasure! I don't recommend shooting them at squirrels in trees with normal fletching. That's how I lost all mine. Lol!
QuoteOriginally posted by ozy clint:
that's not a blunt, this is a blunt!
(http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd349/ozyclint/DSCF3160.jpg)
home made of course! they are 2" wide.
these things have increased my hit and kill rate on rabbits by a mile. i got sick of just missing them or taking fur off. just graze them with these and it makes a cut big enough to drop their guts out.
i shot a rabbit just yesterday with one. it was sitting right on the edge of a big blackberry bush at 20m. when i went to pick up my arrow i found where it had run into the bush. it was marked by it's guts snagged on the thorny blackberry canes. it made it about 2m into the bush.
so i guess you don't follow the blood trail with these things, instead you follow the 'entrail'
LOL
ouch almost already cook ! great job with this home made blunt !!
one question please, what is the poundage of the bow ?
ipcjon2- it weighs 250gr. same as all my other points. they can be made to weigh whatever you want. you just have to vary the cut width and how much grinding you do to the point.
i just sent one to jeffB, he wanted one at 175gr.
kibok&ko- bow used was 54# with 610gr arrow
Ozy, can you show us how you make them?
i havn't had a problem with the hex heads. i don't think our tree rats get as big as the ones up north though....
i shoot a 250gr point so i start with a 250gr or 200gr steel field point.
then i use a drill press and vice and i set up the point and drill a hole 90 degress to the axis of the point. you'll have to play with drill sizes for the rod you are using. you want it to be a press fit, just tap it in with a small hammer. i use 4mm welding electrodes.
after i drill the 1st hole i insert a rod through it and setup it up in the vice again so that when i drill the second hole it is 90 degrees to both the other rod and the axis of the point. i insert the 2nd rod then i put the point in the drill chuck and use a grinder to remove mass back to the weight i need while the drill press turns the point. you have to play with the width of the rods too to get the weight you need. with solid rod like this the lightest point you could get would be about 175gr. any lighter and you would need to use roll pins in place of solid rod, like these http://users.ncable.net.au/~woody/outback_sgb.htm
Thank you OZY !