I have been looking at the new Hoyt buffalo, may be a shooter, and everyone has been ooohhing and aaahhhing, but it looks ugly as sin to me. I like metal risers, have several, but this thing just looks lumpy, only way I know how to describe it. Reminds me of the emperors clothes.
I think it looks OK
It's got a really nice grip and was pretty smooth drawing. It was loud but everything seems loud compared to my critter gitter.
i kind of like it my self
I think it looks sweet with very nice lines. I'm biased though as I have one coming.
I am not a metal riser guy, however I find the Hoyt Buffalo appealing and have found it to shoot quite nicely.
I got to handle a riser Friday. I thought it had pretty nice lines for a metal one...
I agree with you Koger, Ugly! Jmo
It would be prettier if it was ILF.I think the whole thing was a bad idea.Just my opinion for what it's worth.
The Buffalo and the Dorado look ok, to me the GameMaster II is the ugly sister in that family.
I agree with arrowwood. The GameMaster is the ugly one. I think the buffalo is really good on the eyes.
How is this productive??? :banghead:
i like the look of wood bows myself.
anyways i kinda like the looks of the buff and dorado. wish i could try one
No dice! the only metal on my bows will be the broad heads fly out of them
I seen one at a shop on Thursday and I didn't like the look of it in person compared to pics from the catalog. I guess I'm just a Dorado lover! I bet its a dang good shooter though! As far as the ILF aspect of it that don't bother me because when I had a Dorado I never changed limbs on it either, thats what my Excel is for and its way cheeper. Now that puts me at spending 700 on a bow that I can't change up much, I would rather use that money on a nice custom. At least you can find Dorado's for 300-350.
though there's probably not a thing wrong or bad with the hoyt buffalo, i prefer bows mostly made outta wood 'n' grass. i think metal risered bows belong best to target archers. yeah, for me it's just about aesthetics.
I think it looks okay to me. But, it's maximum length is only 60". Now, I've drawn some 60" recurve bows. Some of been smooth drawing and some have been a little harsh, but with my 30" draw length, they "all" gave me a case of finger pinch.
If looks could kill............
I think it looks pretty cool, as does my Gamemaster. And my '64 and '66 K-mags, '68 Kodiak Hunter, '72 Howatt, Wing Thunderbird, Hollenbeck custom.... They all have their own personalities and I love them all.
While this may not be "PRODUCTIVE" sometimes it's interesting to hear an opinion on the eye appeal of the different bows we all shoot--Personally bows with metal risers have no soul ----CNC machined trad bows just remind me of "them there cam bows".
It is the Buffalo as I recall there kinda lumpy too!
i have to agree Dave i do like "opinions"thats why the all dont shoot the same stick
QuoteOriginally posted by Dave Alaxanian:
While this may not be "PRODUCTIVE" sometimes it's interesting to hear an opinion on the eye appeal of the different bows we all shoot--Personally bows with metal risers have no soul ----CNC machined trad bows just remind me of "them there cam bows".
I believe metal cabbage soul. I shot my grandpa's rifle he left me when he finished hunting and that old girl has a ton of soul in her barrel.
For me, some things just go too far. This type of bow is one of those things. I like wood bows with wood risers. And the occasional glass sandwich of course! Not knocking it, just not my cup o' tea.
I'm in the wood camp also. I just don't have any interest in a metal riser. I'm sure they are superior shooting devices, but wood bows still shoot bettter than I can shoot them.
I thought they dropped the ball here, no plunger hole and a real narrow grip, and especially not an ILF.
QuoteOriginally posted by Dave Alaxanian:
........ ----CNC machined trad bows just remind me of "them there cam bows".
Including Black Widows? They're now CNC machined.
I'm presently not a big fan of metal risers but I don't see anything wrong with them either. They just "don't float my boat".
i shot the new buffalo at the ata show last week end and have to say i liked the way it shot! little heavier than im used to! and im normally a longbow guy but might have to invest in this bow to try a curve out one more time!
I like mine really well I like the look and I really like the way it shoots. I like the looks of alot of other bows also but I can only afford so much and I liked the Buffalo. If we were all the same it would be a very boring world . The main thing is it's fun to shoot, it's accurate and it has no wheels. The buffalo is not for everyone but if its what you like it's a great bow.
There are those of us that believe and rightfully so, think that a wood bow and wood arrows are the true Trad. way, I believe this but don't live by it. I hunt like most of you (probably not as good though), and coming back to Trad. after many years away and from a wheeler, it is very important to me that I shoot as accurate as possible. I spined my first trad kill and my first true hunt in 96 and have never forgotten it ( which was why I went to a wheeler ), but I realize now that it's all about accuracy, so though I use bows made of mostly wood, I do use arrows made of carbon because I feel that I get better accuracy over wood. That being said I am sure that there are many people out there that could out shoot me with their wood arrows, but for me and I am sure a lot of you, it's time that is the enemy. It's just a little easier with the aluminum and carbon arrows and I can get more shooting time in. So my meaning for this answer to this post is if it makes life a little more easy and mostly more accurate then go with a metal riser, I however draw the line at aluminum and carbon arrows.
Everybodys different.....BUT......I tend to find newer metal riser bows a bit Fugly.(old bear mags look great) 3 piece longbows and antler knob limb bolts fall into the Fugly catagory too. This only means that there is more for the rest of you guys that like them.
QuoteOriginally posted by FerretWYO:
How is this productive??? :banghead:
...a bit harsh don't ya think? Afterall, it's merely an opinion being shared in a forum meant for topic of conversation right? :campfire:
That said, I don't mind the Buffalo. I don't LOVE it, but don't mind it terribly either. I can certainly see why some might not care for it too though, as it does have kind of a "techy" feel to it...
I don't care for metal risers on anything but compounds. Wouldn't have one.
QuoteOriginally posted by hightop_hunter:
No dice! the only metal on my bows will be the broad heads fly out of them
My sentiments exactly. But as is said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And that certainly applies to those who like and enjoy metal riser bows.
Guys, I used to be a wood snob, wouldnt look at a metal riser, till one day I shot a Quinn Stallion, changed my way of thinking. I shot it much better, fit my small hands better, balanced better for me. I shot it better than bows I had costing 3x as much and real pretty. As my granmother used to say, "Pretty is as pretty does", which means I shoot them better, hit better, and have cleaner, quicker kills. I still love wood, but hunt mostly with alum riser bows, have several, also have a couple of nice wood risers, but I dont shoot them as well as the aluminum ones, especially past 20 yards.I appreciate all the replies, and agree with the Dorado owners about liking that risr better. And I sure agree they would be better off going ILF! Thanks for all the mature replies on this subject, no one going off the deep end.
Ya Sam, those Quinns are great bows. Metal riser or not. I'll never part with mine.
Looks good to me.
Is the Buffalo the one that Fred Eichler has his name on? The one that's inside the cover of the new 3Rivers catalog??
Just wondering.
I neither like it nor hate it, mostly since I haven't had a chance to hold one yet.
I never say never and won't judge anything based on face value. Who knows......it may very well be the best shooting, most accurate bow I have ever shot? If I get to shoot one some day, so until it proved itself not worth my time......I wouldn't say that I didn't like it. That's just narrow minded in my opinon.
I do prefer the beauty of wood, it just looks more natural to me.
I used to own a PSE Coyote with a metal riser and it was a POS in my opinion. Noisy as heck and no matter what I did to it, I just couldn't quiet it down. I eventually sold it.
Ok so I may not have stated my point well. I agree maybe a little harsh. I agree that opinion or insight from others is good.
QuoteOriginally posted by LongStick64:
I thought they dropped the ball here, no plunger hole and a real narrow grip, and especially not an ILF.
I have to respectfully agree. One of the main reasons I went to ILF risers years ago was to avoid being married to any one bowyer with respect to limbs -- I'd rather pay $90 for wood/glass limbs and get them in a few days than wait up to a year and hand over $400+. The system used on the Buffalo would put me right back in that situation. Add to that the lack of a plunger hole, and I'll take a pass.
All in all, I find it odd that Hoyt hasn't made a true ILF hunting riser yet, seeing as they have a huge marketshare of such risers in the target shooting world. They seem best situated to hit a home run, but just keep laying down bunts.
I think the Buffalo is a nice looking bow but I totally understand why guys don't think metal riser bows are "traditional."
A nice wood riser takedown is made of wood, metal and glass.
On the other hand a metal riser takedown is made of metal, wood and gla... Hey, wait a minute.
:biglaugh:
I've got both metal and wood. If it's the idea of it being CNC machined.....many of the wood bows that I here touted so loudly on the forum are also.
I'd like to shoot one. Have always loved the way the Hoyt bows shot, no matter how they looked, most can't deny that Hoy makes some really nice limbs. I just walked up from the basement from shooting my Dorado. She's an awesome shooter! What I'd like to see about this Buffalo bow is the weight. The Gamemaster is about a whole pound heavier...the Dorado 3/4...I wonder if that weight is missed in ballance or hand shock?
Good lookin bow to me and I like the "no tools" put together, but like others think it should have been based on ILF.
OMG!! Diversity! Choices! Thank God we have them. That's what makes this country great. Love it.
QuoteThere are those of us that believe and rightfully so, think that a wood bow and wood arrows are the true Trad. way
Thats a bit harsh don't you think ... :saywhat:
any suggestion that metal risered bows aren't 'trad' enough is kinda odd on the back of an admission to the use of carbon arrows and its kinda ignoring archery history.
I agree Hoyt have dropped the ball a bit by not playing ILF ...
I thought it was interesting, but weighs about double(IMHO) what any bow I shoot does. The mass probably makes it stable, but I wouldn't want to carry it for 8-10 miles in the hills.
1.7 lbs is heavy! I have a all wood one peice recurve that weighs more than that. I haven't held one yet for comparison but I'm sure it will feel a lot lighter than my last compound....lol
Awesome bow, I have owned a lot of bows and this one just flat out shoots for me. I love the grip and it points very nice for me.
the physical weight of the bow is yet another misprint from hoyt. im not bashing hoyt, heck, i have a dorado, gamemaster, and 2 excels! but seems they rushed advertising the buffalo. the weight is wrong and they just announced the lengths offered are wrong! instead of 58" or 60"...its 60" or 62"!
So what is the weight of the bow?
its a tad over 2#. very close to the dorado, which isnt bad, just a misprint
I didn't know what to think about metal risered tradbows and stayed away from them for a few years, then I shot a hoyt GM and bought 2 of them-awesome bows and shoot better than most of the high-end customs I have owned (at least in my hands).
That is why there are so many different bows out there - everyone can have one that they think looks the best to them!
I personally think the Buffalo bow looks kinda cool.
I know one thing for certain, Fred can shoot the heck out of this bow!! I shot side by side with Fred this past spring and his "prototype " was quick, quiet and forgiving. Is it just me or does he ever miss?? ;) Different bows for different folks. We all have our individual preferences, but regardless of appearances, most of us want to shoot and hunt with what we shoot best. Fred is one of the best shots under pressure, that I have ever hunted with, and he had significant input in this bow. That says a lot, IMO.
I know one thing for certain, Fred can shoot the heck out of this bow!! I shot side by side with Fred this past spring and his "prototype " was quick, quiet and forgiving. Is it just me or does he ever miss?? ;) Different bows for different folks. We all have our individual preferences, but regardless of appearances, most of us want to shoot and hunt with what we shoot best. Fred is one of the best shots under pressure, that I have ever hunted with, and he had significant input in this bow. That says a lot, IMO.
Its got a neat look, but I want to see/shoot it. The ball was dropped when they didnt make it ILF. If it wasnt for ILF, I wouldnt even look at a metal riser bow.....
I don't think it looks bad but I cannot see What justifies the substantial extra cost over a Dorado? I agree it would be more appealing if it were ILF.
My guess is some the extra cost is Fred's name, and the limb system.
All this talk of the new buffalo and I still haven't seen any pictures of this bow on any website other than hoyt's.
Some unstrung, full draw pics would be awesome!!
Good looking bow
Ugly price tag attached to it.
whats ILF?????
Okay, so I wouldn't buy one because of my aethetic preferences.
But there is an innate joy in launching an arrow to its mark powered entirely by your own strength holding the string; and to harvest an animal in such a way is even grander. So, if somebody thrust a Hoyt Buffalo, the specifications of which suited me, into my hands, you can bet that I could go out and kill an afternoon in the bush shooting leaves and termite mounds and creek banks, having the time of my life.
Now, I'm not sure of my point, exactly. But it must be something along the lines of being able to have fun and experience the thrill and beauty and challenge of archery with any one-string bow. At the same time, a fellow is allowed to have personal aesthetic tastes when choosing his bow.
por favor , pics pics pics !!!!!
QuoteOriginally posted by sawtoothscream:
whats ILF?????
Being the Joke-ster most of you know that I am ... I could go on for days with this one..
I'll leave it up to the pros to explain "ILF"
I like the way you said all of that Ben. :thumbsup: I think it's cool looking. I have a Game master it shoots lights out, but I love wood. :goldtooth:
I shot a short 50lb Buffalo tonight and it was just plain awesome. No beautiful wood but it was good looking for being a metal riser bow. Super smooth and pretty quiet. I felt that the price was a little steep for me but I sure wouldnt mind if one of you fellas bought me one, my birthday is almost here. :rolleyes:
Well I hope to soon have pictures up, I ordered mine at 40# with a set of 50# limbs to go with it. Well the extra limbs arrived but not the bow kinda like having a new girlfriend you can't touch.
Well got my hands on a Hoyt Buffalo today, and it didnt look near as big in the hand as it did in pics. The one I shot was #45, I was shooting my arrows, 453 grains, and it shot sweeeet! Did have a lot of vibration in it, seemed to go on forever after the shoct. Limbsavers would take care of that. Overall balance was great, and it shot where I looked, but no better than my Quinn and not as well as my Tradtech Titan or Pinnacle, and I have less money in both these ILF bows set up, than I do the Buffalo by itself at over $700. I beleive it is a good design, but too pricey and they missed the boat on not making it ILF. I shot a Dorado along with it same poundage, and it was better behaved, no handshock or vibration, and a whole lot less money. I guess I need to eat some crow over this one, I will be the first to say so, real life sure looks different than TV and Magazines. Just thought I would add to this post.
If there was 10 things I consider when choosing a bow, looks would be number 11. "Soul" would be about 50 since inantimate objects don't have one.
I WISH YOU COULD GET IT IN HIGHER WGT. THAN 60#
QuoteOriginally posted by 2 Barrels:
It would be prettier if it was ILF.I think the whole thing was a bad idea.Just my opinion for what it's worth.
What would compel Hoyt to change over to ILF? Their proprietary system sure works good for them, there are many medals to prove it.
went to the bow shop today and got to handle and shoot the 55# not my thing but a very nice bow
If you think metal has no soul I dare you to walk into a barroom full of Hell's Angels and say that out loud. I also see a lot of drooling on this site over those metal knives so many of us would love to have. guess it has to do with where the metal is??????????
Just to set the record straight, the Buffalo is 60" and 62". The 58" model was a mistake someone made somewhere along the line. And it would have been a good idea for Hoyt to at least offer it in ILF as an option as well as a plunger hole.
I recently shot the Buffalo.
I agree with Bill Carlsen on his recommendations for Hoyt to improve this bows appeal and versatility.
Charles.
I'll be checking out the Buffalo in Kazoo if someone has one. Just checking though, too pricy for me and while I have nothing against a metal riser, I perfer the look and feel of wood. To each his/her own.
Quotewhats ILF?????
International Limb Fitting, limbs from different manufacturers can be used. I love a metal riser bow wood is nice but I do my best shooting with my Titan.