I shoot easton axis arrows, they fly well are tough and in general I am real pleased. I am thinking of trying some of the full metal jacket arrows. For those that use the full metal jackets do they bend because of the aluminum cover. The nice thing about a carbon arrow is its either straight or broke.
Scott
Did not like mine. Do a search for discussion pro and con.You are thinking correctly IMO so stay with the regular carbons.
i love my FMJ's this was my first year to shoot them and had two pass throughs.
I love my FMJ... you get weight and they are very tough. I have bent very few of them and broken even less. If you want a heavy arrow for hunting, they will get you there and they are so nice to pull out of targets.
REINMB,
Please excuse me if this does not sound right but I am not the best at expressing myself in type form.
But, wouldn't "pass through" mean sharp broad head and good placement? Not anything about the arrow it self?
I am new to this.
FMJ Test (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=060165)
hey Buddy they Bend real good and then ya may as well biff em in the Bin. i still have the old axis 500 and they are Bullet proof.
i think they would be about the same as acc arrows. the only difference is that easton reversed the process and put the carbon on the inside. I shoot acc and they are tough but a hard glance or miss can result in a bent arrow.Jeff B is right if you bend one you might as well throw it away and at 10 to 12 bucks a arrow it adds up.
If you are hunting dangerous or large tough critters they are worth the $$$. Otherwise for general hunting the axis shafts will serve you better. The axis shaft is stronger and tougher, just ask an Easton tech rep and they will confirm that for you. Being the heaviest shaft GPI of the skinny shafts they do achieve excellent penetration. I would not use them for reg day to day North American hunting/shooting. They will bend, the axis will always be straight or broke.
Ch1ch2
A pass through equates to good penertation on medium and larger sized game - tree rats, chipmunks and cats don't count. Penetration is achieved by kenetic energy and a sharp broadhead. The shaft weight is a major part of that equation. The FMJ is heaviest skinny shaft GPI wise.
I tried the FMJ for a year and had the same experience most have expressed, they will bend with a glancing shot or direct impact with a solid object.
If you want the extra weight (GPI) you might look at the MFX Classic I believe the GPI is pretty close to the FMJ.
hunt it,
Thanks.
I learned something about the FMJ. That makes sense. I knew the first part and have always preferred the weight up front.
I haven't bent one so far, not saying they won't,
but have had problems with the tip ferrule bending. Easton sells a little adptor that fits over the end of the shaft, that solve the problem or bending the tip and end of the shaft.
An other thing I found was G5 make a device that trues the end of your shaft. Try it on any shaft insert It will true up broad heads. Even if the arrow is cut with a saw I have found they still aren't true. Wouldn't hunt without them.
Thanks for the info.
Scott
FMJ's IMO are one of the top arrows out there. Something that hasn't been addressed is how beneficial the aluminum outer layer actually is.
Everyone (or at least almost everyone) that has shot carbons has experienced an arrow that seems undamaged but for some reason just doesn't hit the mark or fly well. Carbons can have flaws that are undetectable to the shooter but only show up in flight issues. The aluminum wrap on FMJ's will show any significant trauma the arrow has experienced because of it's inability to go back to shape like the carbon.
Many people will say "then just shoot aluminum"....however, carbon arrows wrapped in aluminum are not only much stronger than aluminum alone but also offer the other benefits of carbon. (tunability, longevity, penetration)
I'm pretty hard on my equipment and can honestly say that I've been impressed with the durabilty of FMJ's. When a dozen arrows lasts me years, I can't complain.....Ryan
i had 6 of them and bent all 6 but i have a habbit to miss and hit a rock or the occasional branch that you thought you cut down when you set up but overall i find it hard for me to pay $70 for only 6 arrows. i used the easton gamegetter and i perfer them over the fmj's for my recurves but probly because there more durrable (to me anyways) and i pay less for a dozen of those than i do for 6 fmjs.
just my .02
steven
I bought a dozen Redhead Carbon Supremes years ago and still have 7 of them left. I know they are Bass Pro Shop brand arrows and made by Carbon Extreme I think? But they are the toughest carbon arrow shafts I have ever owned. I put these poor carbons through hell and back and refletched them time and time again. I have never broke one even when I buried them in wood or hit a rock, I lose them before I ever had a chance to break one. Tough as nails, and I'm seriously thinking about getting some more. I got 2 BPS gift cards for Christmas and they are burning a hole in my pocket.
Onestringer- I agree with what others have said, that's one reason why I stopped shooting acc's years ago because they bend when the hit something other than the intended target. I like the reliability of all carbon either being straight or broke.....never bent.
I shoot both the FMJs and the Axis NANO carbons.
It is true that they will bend and stay bent if the recive the right kind of abuse. I personally have been hunting with them for a while and will be sticking with them for a while.
So ACC's are aluminum wrapped with carbon? AND FMJ are carbon wrapped with aluminum??? Which is better?
Seems to me the carbon would protect the aluminum from bending making the ACC a better shaft.
Here's my experience - years ago when I tried carbon I found inconsistance spine issues. Sixty to 92 lbs on one doz that approached 100 bucks for raw shafts. Plus they were not as straight as aluminum. I switched to ACC's which seemed to be a very good shaft. Since I've tried CE Maxima's also a good shaft.
Bowmania
Did anybody click on my link?
Will they ever make an indestructable arrow? I don't think so. Any arrow that I can shoot into a steel plate and crush a 260g Snuffer and on the next shot split a 250g Zwickey from stem to stern, and then on the next shot shoot the crushed Snuffer like it was brand new is good enough for me.
Good luck in your quest boys...
ACC are target arrows. We are talking about heavy weight hunting shafts FMJ. These arrows were designed to provide heavy shaft that was not obtainable with just aluminum or just carbon. For that purpose they have hit the nail on the head. They are not as strong as Grizzy Alaskans or Hammerheads but they will out penetrate the bigger shafts if weight identical. In my opinion they are way to exspensive to be using for everyday arrows. If you need a heavy hunting arrow for big stuff they are superb. Rest of time shoot GT Blems for $42.00/doz they are awesome shafts.
Been shooting FMJ's for a 3 years with both Longbow and compound. They're a great arrow, especially easy to pull from targets if you do a lot of practicing. I've shot a couple through a deer and kept on using the arrow. I'm trying an N fused Axis right now, and see no difference in flight at the same arrow weight. They are both very usable arrows!
I don't find so much a problem with bending as I do with them getting creased or dented by another arrow. I can't help but think the carbon has been damaged or fractured underneath when I see this. If this happens to my trad arrows, I just keep shooting them, but with the compound, they are put out of service.
the whole price thing ruins me of these shaafts i cant for out over $100 a dozen raw shafts for just to shoot around and thorough deer. if i was gonna use a carbon id use goldtip ( i still use for my compund) and if i went for alum id go with easton gamegetters. for me the price matters ALOT considering im 14 i dont have a job and the only way i make money is chores and in the summer lawn mowing.so ill be stickin with gold tip and gamegetter (actually im gonna try wood) for all hunting/shooting purposes. unless someone can point me where i can get fmj shafts for under $100........
steven
-been shooting these for a while now, but just for 3-d (I will hunt with them though). Using the 340's and 175 gr FP out of my 54# Border, flying like darts, really like them so far.
I haven't abused any shafts yet. If I can get a shaft to fly as well as these, I'll stick with them.
Steven,
At 14 you can spend your $$$ wisely as it is hard to come by as you menioned. Unless your going to hunt snuffaluffagos anytime soon, stick with GT carbons, the GT blemishes Big Jim sells for $42.00/doz are the best shaft deal going period.
Steve I did and totaly agree FMJ's will be in my quiver for a long time to come. :thumbsup:
i tried them out his year. shoot the FMJ 400's. they bent easy.
i like gold tips and CHE better. i wont buy FMJ again
QuoteOriginally posted by Steve O:
Did anybody click on my link?
Will they ever make an indestructable arrow? I don't think so. Any arrow that I can shoot into a steel plate and crush a 260g Snuffer and on the next shot split a 250g Zwickey from stem to stern, and then on the next shot shoot the crushed Snuffer like it was brand new is good enough for me.
Good luck in your quest boys...
I did thanks, Scott
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=093970;p=2#000016
An older post with more mixed reviews. I will say mine were accurate.
QuoteOriginally posted by ch1ch2:
REINMB,
Please excuse me if this does not sound right but I am not the best at expressing myself in type form.
But, wouldn't "pass through" mean sharp broad head and good placement? Not anything about the arrow it self?
I am new to this.
Actually the microdiameter, low friction and weight of the shaft all contribute to better pass through on the FMJ. It used to be my arrow of choice, hands down. I'd shoot em now, just can't afford em anymore : (
BEST CARBON ARROW I EVER SHOT AND GOES GOOD WITH ALL MY BOWS,BETWEEN 49 TO 55 POUNDS ARE BEAMANS MFX IN 400 AND 500 SPINE IN MY OPINION GOOD ALL AROUND ARROW.
ch1ch2 ---could be. but the only thing that I changed was the arrow. Same sharp broadheads, and I have hit deer in the sweet spot before. I contributed it to a heavier arrow along with the points that you made. No offense taken, I have never claimed to be an expert at anything. So I realize that my contributing a pass through to the help of an arrow is probably wrong. The day that I quite learning is the day I become my wife. She knows everything.
reinmb,
In the case of these skinny shafts and their weight they will definatly contribute to a pass through.
Steve O,
I read your link. Tough shafts for sure. In my case I'm using the FMJ Dangerous Game shafts, they are tough, there is no question about it. I have alot of concern for everday use of these shafts. That being similar to the aluminum footing many put on their carbons. I have to think that under the aluminum your carbon (in your test) took a beating and probably is cracked frayed to some degree. Therefore the shaft now has a structural weakness. It may never show in day to day use. I just can't but help thinking the shaft will finally give on release some day and my hand may see the worst of that. This has always made me gun shy of using these for everyday use. I shoot 300gr up front on my arrows so I only need the extra weight when pursuing buff etc. For that reason I use them for the hunt and put them away. If any damage comes to shaft it becomes a sacrafice to arrow gods.