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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Huntschool on January 01, 2011, 12:19:00 PM
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OK... I have been shooting AD's for a good bit. Have a new bow on order and just for grins would like to try these Heritage shafts.
The bow is a Widow LB.. 45# @ 28" 64 tip to tip. I draw 28" dead nut and would like to work with about a 29.5" shaft. BH's with adaptors are 162 grns, I like 5" to 5.5" fletch but that could be changed. I would like to come in about 10gn/lb or just a tad lower (9.5 or so) and still keep FOC
I have been to their site and if I go with spine based on my AD's I am looking at the 350's. That just seems a bit much for a 45# bow. I would be starting out with a 354 gn bare shaft.
What are your thoughts? What shaft size should I look at?????
Thanks
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The 150's work well out bows in the low 50's. Since your not putting a ton of weight up front you could probably get away with a Heritage 90. They run around 9 gpi I think.
I can tell you for shure you dont want the 350's.
Eric
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Thanks Eric. I was leaning that way.
My idea here is to go to a slightly smaller diam. shaft to move it closer to center. The Widow PL, as you likely know, is cut to center.
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I have tried every carbon out the and the cx150's is the only thing I could get to shoot to my likeing.My bow is a Bob Lee TD longbow 60" and 45#@28".I draw to 29" and the cx 150's are cut to 30 1/2 and 125gr points.I have them bareshfting a touch weak and nock high.When I fletched the they fly great.I think they are the toughest arrows I have ever shot.
Big Jim has the best prices that I have found for these.
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I have a BW 46# PMA and shoot 150's 30" long with a 100 grain brass incert and a 150 grain point. They fly like darts and hit very hard.
doug77
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2Elkhunt and Doug: Thanks guys.
Guys, what is your overall arrow weight?
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I just weighted one of mine. 30 1/2" 6"wrap,3x4"feathers,standard insert,125gr point.
Total weight 467gr
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One of my longbows, which scales #50, at my draw length of 27", shoots 150s, std insert, 200 gr. broadhead, @ 29". However, it weighs in right at 525-530 grains total arrow weight. 150s weight 10 gr./ in.
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I think we are in the ball park....
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I've found these shafts very durable, but even the 150's are quite stiff. For my 45-50 lb bows, I need to leave them at least 30" long for 150 gr up front, or brass inserts if going shorter for total or 250 up front.
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Thanks SK... someone told me they were stiff. I think I could get around that with a good bit of tinkering.... front end load etc...
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The 150's will work well for you Bruce. You will not have to tinker much at all. Leave them full length, put the head you want on the end and bareshaft. Hopefully they will be weak as they should be and you can trim 1-2" off and wind up with an arrow right at 30" or close to it which should work well for your draw. Be careful trimming, carbon respnds to length much faster than adding or subtracting point weight. I start out trimming 1/2" at a time and as I get close I trim 1/4 " at a time. Since it is bareshaft I trim by slipping out the nock and cutting it off the nock end. I keep that bareshaft for shooting with my fletched arrows afterwards as a tune checker..... mainly to check the tuning of the monkey pulling the string ! If your brace height, nock point and yourself are all in tune then you should be able to get good flight out of the bareshaft on any given day and it should fly right in the group of fletched shafts. I am shooting more woodies these days cause I like spending time with Mason building them. When I do shoot carbon it is nothing but Carbon Express Heritage 150 and 250's. Great shafts, extremely tough and consistent. JMHO
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Almost forgot Bruce..... Leave them slightly weak as the feathers will stiffen them slightly. I am a lefty so I want them tailing ever so slightly nock right which would be nock left for you. I shoot them over and over and I want them either straight in the target or slightly tail right. Out of ten shots I like to see about half and half which tell me I am ever so slightly weak. Bareshaft shooting during regular practice is a very humbling experience !!! It will show every flaw in your form. When you think your shooting is awesome and you get to feeling a little cocky just shoot a bareshaft with every round and it will put your feet back on the ground.
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Myself and 2 friends are using the Heritage 90's out of our bows that are in the 45-48 lb range and are 29-30" long with 145 pts. They shoot extemely well out of these BW PLX and Morrison longbows.
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I shoot both 90's and 150's and I shoot a 45@28 widow..
Heritage 90, with 125-150gr point,,,, I'm not sure if 90's come more than 29" because I shoot 29" total length.. my finished weight for this setup is 462gr with a 150gr point & 3 4" shields..
if the 90's don't come longer than 29" the 150's with a setup that should bareshaft pretty good out of your widow, is going to be at least 520-540gr total.
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Jimmy:
I got the "trimmin" thing down to a science.. (I think) With these things I can trim from the back unlike my AD's
Dogg and Tajue: Thanks, I was hoping to hear from some widow shooters as widows are a slightly different kind of cat on arrows...
I guess I should try both the 90's and the 150's. The 90's cut to 29.5 with the weight of my broadhead (162 with adaptor) should be good. The 150's cut to 29.5 might need a bit of added front end weight (either brass insert or steel BH adaptor) as I want the shaft to be the same length.
Your 462 gr. weight should also show a good bit of FOC... right? That, if so, is just about on the money for me. That should give ME 9.76 gn/lb with my BH (and good FOC) which is about dead nut what I have on all my set ups...
Tajue, the 90's come in at 30 1/4 stock length so I should be good.
Thanks
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I think you will really like the CX Heritage shafts Bruce. I have been shooting them for several years and they are very tough.
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Bill:
Did you get your shafts locally?
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Originally posted by Huntschool:
Bill:
Did you get your shafts locally?
BigJim has the best prices I'm aware of. Might want to take a look at his website.
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BWD: Yea, I will. Jim is an old friend. I was just wondering if there was any one local so I could get soem test shafts without ordering
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Huntschool here is what I am running with my CX Heritage 150's and they fly like darts out of my Samick Spikeman 50# @ 28 DL Recurve.
5" Feathers RH
145 gr broadhead ~ Zwickey Eskimo 125 gr with insert for the BH total weight. I have also used a Zwickey Delta 4 blade getting the same results.
160 gr Field tips, I get the same results.
80 gr firber core that runs the full length of the inside of the arrow shaft.
605 gr total arrow weight
I tried the CX Heritage 250 with the same set up, and its just not as accurate and would require more testing with a heavier broadhead.
Hope this helps.
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Cottonwood: Thanks man...
What are you using for a fiber core, rope?
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I use the CX 350's with my 2 Widow longbows and my Schafer. I use a 260 tip along with a 100 gr brass insert. This arrow flies GREAT in my setups and is the weight I want (745-750 gr).
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Cottonwood.... What length are your arrows cut to? I shoot the 250 full length with 125grn tip and thats all. I am shooting 50# @ 28.5". They seem to shoot fine but are stiff. I plan on getting some 150's to see if that would make a difference for the better. Is it a bad thing to shoot full length arrows. I can cut them but don't see the need to unless I have to. Just wondering
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Sorry to be a little late but I got my last ones from Big Jim. His shipping was very fast.
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Richard:
Thats a "stout" arrow....
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Originally posted by Huntschool:
Richard:
Thats a "stout" arrow....
Yes it is, but boy do they hit HARD! I don't see myself ever changing. Ounce I find something that works for me, I stick with it. As a matter of fact I now have 9 dozen shafts in the closet :D
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Bill... Thanks
Richard: you are set for life man... Stick with them Widows...
I told Roger and Toby last week when I was over there I have a new Widow slogan;
"When ya (or game) hear(s) the Widow whisper... Its too late"
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Originally posted by Huntschool:
Cottonwood: Thanks man...
What are you using for a fiber core, rope?
I'm using a orange nylon fiber rope. They actually were already in the shaft when I got them from another guy who sent them to me, and discovered them by total accident. As well as they were flying, I figured to just leave them.
I removed one to check the weight, and it was right at 80 gr. To put it back in the shaft, I tied a small string to one end and pulled it back thru.
My arrows were cut from the nock valley to the bare tip at 30"
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Cottonwood:
Thanks. I tried some "rope" a few years back while I was playing around. Did not work well for me but I might not have been trying hard enough.
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im shooting 53@ 26.5 and im shooting CH 150 with 150grain tip
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Thanks guys... I am.... gathering info here