I'll looking at putting in an order for a 66" HH and wanted to see what people thought between the Redman and Cheetah.
I like the looks of both juniper and yew so I could go either way. I have shot a bow will all yew limbs and it was smooth so I'm leaning that way. But Juniper has been on the short list for a while!
Just wondering!
Thanks,
Josh
Josh,
I've shot them both and honestly couldn't tell any difference. In my opinion go with what looks best to you. The Juniper Craig uses is pretty cool looking.
josh, what's yer draw length?
I have a HH Longbowmans Choice made from Yew. It is a beautifull bow but the Cheetah is also on my short list too.
Bic
I've never shot a Cheetah, but I have owned both a Halfbreed and a Redman, and currently own two St. Charles yew bows. The yew limbs seem smoother to me than other materials, but I don't believe there's much difference in them. If I were going to order another Hill, it would be a Halfbreed.
I used to have a Half Breed and now own a Redman. Both shot extremely well and were very smooth. I cannot speak for the Cheetah but, that Juniper sure is a pretty limb veneer. Below is my Redman.
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0236.jpg)
I have had both and many many more of both through my hands .
I still own and shoot Redmans ... but I'm a bit of fan of yew .
There won't be much difference in the way either shoot. Some people like 'boo , some like yew ..... you can't go wrong either way .
I would go for the cheetah with an extra lam of bamboo, texas ebony riser too.......
no hill or hill style bow feels or seems right to me unless the limbs are all tempered bamboo lams. and they perform their best if their length is tailored to your draw length (i.e. - looooongbow long!).
Cheetah!
The yew is a great bow wood. Juniper is pretty but you need the bamboo as a core wood with it. The 4 lams of yew in the Redman are smooth and fast. One extra lam of yew (5 altogether) and you'll have that special "go to" bow for any occasion.
About 17 years ago I bought a Cheetah from HH. It was a beautiful simple bow.
Having had several of each, I'd say it's purely a decision of looks and what else is on your shelf. There could be as much difference in feel between two Halfbreeds or two Cheetahs with identical specs as there could be between the two models. Not that that would be much... just depending on who did the final tillering/sanding or what the wood's attitude was as it grew.
I would like to suggest one of each...lol
I doubt you could go wrong with either.
God bless,Mudd
Sometime in the not-to-distant future I intend to order another Hill. I'm really leaning towards the Cheetah but I like the Redman too. May have to order both!
Just got my my first Hill bow,a Redman.I like the look and feel of yew.
I have a yew bamboo, with a fast flight string supplied from frankbullit it is as smooth and fast as my Scuhulz Legend. The all yew however, has a feel that everyone that shoots it, wants to keep it. Could be the grip that I customized or the slightly less draw weight. Neither of mine are for sale, I gave one of each away last year, should have been there I guess. I would go with a 66" minimum for a 26 plus draw and 68" if you have a strong 28" draw. My own are both tillered to work best with my 26 plus draw even though the lengths are 66 and 68. It is important that they are as lean and mean as possible for your weight and draw length, so the whole limb is working.
I have both. The juniper is really good looking but like others above the all yew Redman is what gets most of my attention. Smooth draw in both and shooting characteristics not significantly different. Really a matter of personal choice. But as you can tell I had the same problem as you and I ended up with one of each (and a couple of others too)
QuoteOriginally posted by pavan:
I have a yew bamboo, with a fast flight string that I got from frankbullit it is as smooth and fast as my Scuhulz Legend. The all yew however, has a feel that everyone that shoots it, wants to keep it. Could be the grip that I customized or the slightly less draw weight. Neither of mine are for sale, I gave one of each away last year, should have been there I guess. I would go with a 66" minimum for a 26 plus draw and 68" if you have a strong 28" draw. My own are both tillered to work best with my 26 plus draw even though the lengths are 66 and 68. It is important that they are as lean and mean as possible for your weight and draw length, so the whole limb is working.
what pavan said above ... hill style bows need to have some serious length, as compared to your true draw length, for them to work their magic. too short a length and you will be missing out and not be a happy camper at all.
Redman with brown glass and a Myrtle riser and a straight grip. Simple elegance.
I love my HH Half Breed,bamboo center with yew back and belly.Juniper is a pretty wood,but I like the look of yew more,personal preference.The all bamboo Hill's are the best performers but the differences in the other models are minimal if you talk to Craig at HH.
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
josh, what's yer draw length?
I draw 29.5".
Sorry doing this on my phone.
Might leave it up to Craig to decide.
Josh
You may want to give Craig a call and see if he could make you a Cheetah with yew cores, could be a real nice bow.
OliverS- If you are shooting 29.5" with a high wrist and a straight arm, your draw will go down a bit with a straight or dished hill grip. I would not try to get one with a high wrist grip. The bows function best with the bent bow arm and healing the grip. For a 29" Hill style draw you would want a 69 or 70 inch bow, but I would bet good money with Hill form, it will be less than that. John Schulz says the length of both arms out front, fingers touching a yard stick that is placed on the breast bone, no stretching, is the best Hill style draw length for most people.
I have a 29" draw and my Half Breed was 69" and my current Redman is 70". Both pull and shoot very well with those lengths. I'm going to go out on a limb and say, a lot of folks who have bad experiences with Hill bows is because they are shooting too short of a bow. Rob pretty much put it in a nut shell. :thumbsup:
I have not owned either but looking myself. I did get the opportunity to shoot both. The Cheetah was a nice looking bow it was 66" 58#@28 and was smooth. It has been about 3-4 mths since I shot that bow. I shot a Redman at the range I go to this past week. The gentleman let me shoot it and it was really nice 64" 54#@28" and I shot it as well as my Kota I was shooting, the shelf size was very similar. The yew was beautiful and had me thinking. I pull 28 1/4" and no problem at that length on a 64" bow. Everybody is different.
I also have a 29" draw on the straight grip Hill's and I recommend the 70" length on Craig's bnows.
you may want to consider a 68" or longer. IMO there is no comparison to the improvement in feel with the longer bow.
Yep, I had a 66" Redman for my 29" draw, and I sold it to a mate with a shorter draw. Somedays I shot it okay, some days were terrible. I was quite inconsistent with it. It had a straight grip, too, which didn't suit me. When I bought a 70" Wesley Special with a locator grip (it's only very slight compared to recurves), my shooting improved out-of-sight. I have a yearning for another Redman: 70", string-follow, locator grip, and lighter poundage.
QuoteOriginally posted by Oliverstacy:
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
josh, what's yer draw length?
I draw 29.5".
Sorry doing this on my phone.
Might leave it up to Craig to decide.
Josh [/b]
in your best interests, 68" minimum and 70" would be ideal, imho.
I have both the Cheetah and the Redman in take down and like both of them, I tend to shoot the Redman more often as it is the lighter in draw weight and I tend to shoot it a little better. However I like the looks of the Cheetah better. :confused:
QuoteI have a yearning for another Redman: 70", string-follow, locator grip, and lighter poundage.
Go on Ben ... a long string follow Hill Redman is just about the sweetest bow going
When my wife's not lookin', Ben, I might just make the blessed phone call!
Of all the Hills I have owned 2 of the 6 I kept are what you are looking at.Both are great bows.My Cheeta has 5 lams of bamboo between the juniper and is 63# @28.The Redman has 5 lams of Yew and 1 of carbon and 60 @ 28. The bows I saved are 68" and draw very smoothly out to 29".You cannot go wrong with either bow!!!!!!