There have been a bunch of posts on here lately about Howard Hill and D-style longbows and I'm getting the fever. Back quivers seem to be the traditional and popular choice for this type of bow but I'm wondering how many guys hunt with bow quivers on these bows? Would a bow quiver tend to ruin the shootability and balance? I'm a bow quiver fan on recurves and my r/d longbows but you don't see many bow quivers on traditional longbows.
Comments and pics welcome.
I use them -- Selways and Eagle's flight. Bow quivers don't affect the performance of a Hill any more than they do other bows.
I already did this topic. Check the link below and you'll see the responses I got. Watch out for the ghost of Howard though. :thumbsup:
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=094709;p=1#000000
It does for me. I just can't abide a bow quiver on any Hill style bow. I really like the GFA type quiver or my Jack Bowers Chief if I'm not using my back quiver.
I use a HH back quiver and Selway slide on quiver when playing with my big five. Tend to use the back quiver for field points, blunts and flu flus. I use the Selway for broadheads.
I use a back quiver or an Asbell-style I made. One of the reasons I love Hill-style bows is the lightness in the hand, and a bow quiver just ruins that for me (YMMV).
Selway and Great Northern works on my Northern Mist Shelton Hill style longbow. Right now I'm using the Selway. It's >15 years old. Sorry I don't have any photos. I agree with Orion on performance. Over the years I seem to shoot just a well with a bow quiver. The extra mass I guess.
Probably it doesn't fit the perception or image of lean-clean Hill type longbow for many!
I prefer my a non bow quiver ... either back quiver , arrowmaster or bowers side quiver .
i do occasionally use a bow quiver but prefer my quivers off the bow.
Quivers attached to a Howard Hill longbow offends me in every way possible! LOL
Rather like putting a telescope on a blackpowder rifle.
Back quiver only for the HH bow. A guy has to have some sense of history.
Jack
I shoot tighter groups with a bow quiver than I do without. Probably due to the added weight near the handle stabilizing my bow arm.
A Hill bow with no bow quiver looks a bit dainty. Strap on a serious, manly looking bow quiver and it looks downright lethal, lions and bears run in fear, and freezers overflow with backstraps, tenderloin, steaks, and roasts. Plus, the stunning beauty of my bow quivers gives my longbow-totin' friends fits of jealousy. Heh heh. . .
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/Rikhinton/big_goat.jpg)
Both my Tim Meigs and Dave Johnson Hill-styles have carried Great Northern bow quivers. They work great for me. That is the Dave Johnson in my avatar.
You is a bad man Rik
QuoteOriginally posted by Carbon Jack:
Quivers attached to a Howard Hill longbow offends me in every way possible! LOL
Rather like putting a telescope on a blackpowder rifle.
Jack
That's kinda the response I expected- I'm not surprised. I love the simplistic look and appeal of the naked Hill style bow- but, call me crazy, but there's something about a traditional bow with a bow quiver that looks lethal. Plus, IMO, the bow quiver is hands down the best way to carry arrows when hunting.
Rik, just looking at that goat. How in the world does (did) it get around ? Must not have lived around trees and heavy brush.
Done right a bow quiver can actually take up some of the bow's shock so your arm doesn't have to. I know. . no shock here. . . well SOME bows do have it.
ChuckC
I will be using a great northern on my bow.I might offend someone but i dont care i like my quiver on the bow.ITS WHAT I LIKE..........
hands down the kanati slim jim mines the 3 arrow with straps ive not been nice to it and it hasnt failed
I find the aesthetic beauty of a Hill bow is further enhanced with the proper application of a spray-painted camouflage design on the limbs.
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I Love a back quiver, but don't have one that fits the way it should. I have and like the arrow master side quiver. But when it comes to hunting with a stand, I like a bowquiver, easier to transport and take it off when in stand to shoot.
QuoteOriginally posted by ErikT:
QuoteOriginally posted by Carbon Jack:
Quivers attached to a Howard Hill longbow offends me in every way possible! LOL
Rather like putting a telescope on a blackpowder rifle.
Jack
That's kinda the response I expected- I'm not surprised. I love the simplistic look and appeal of the naked Hill style bow- but, call me crazy, but there's something about a traditional bow with a bow quiver that looks lethal. Plus, IMO, the bow quiver is hands down the best way to carry arrows when hunting. [/b]
I hope you boys understand I'm only kidding where personal bow or quiver style is concerned. I really don't care how a man outfits himself. I find it interesting to see the diversity of opinion and style. Heck, I even don't find compound bows the evil device many do. It's just another shooting device like a rifle or musket.
You have to understand I'm a victim of having read "Hunting The Hard Way"; Howard Hill's hunting book. For me this was the pinnacle of archery and everything that came after Hill was not quite "cricket".
Except, of course, for my beloved carbon arrow.... and carbon limbs, and Super-nocks you can adjust in the field, and Fast Flight string material, and chemical handwarmers, my GPS, etc, etc.
We all have our non-traditonal loves where archery is concerned. Please don't take offense by my selective HH affliction. It's all good fun.
Jack
No offense taken!
In a nutshell EEWWWWWWWW! that would make it look like a hermaphrodite. :goldtooth: JMHO
Disclaimer: no offense to any TG hermaphrodites.
Okay, I have to believe you guys are already seriously into the Egg Nog.
Normally, even the slightest mention of spray painting my Hill bows makes the wheel come this website almost immediately.
What's the story? Are you guys and gals all filled with the Christmas Spirit or what?
(Yeah, me too. . . I love Christmastime!)
It's simple; you dont decorate the American Flag after you buy it,a Hill is kinda the same thing. Don't mess with perfection! And please slap yourself for putting the words spray paint and Hill bow in the same sentence. :thumbsup:
And I dont drink I get loaded on Trad hunting and life. :goldtooth:
Used a killer leather Selway for awhile w/o problems. Trouble started when I took it off & couldn't hit a mule's butt! Backquivers since.
I can see the right bow quiver on a Hill for some people. (not me) But the thought of "spray paint" makes me gag.. on a beautiful Hill?? Now way.. Even the bow quiver is a slight insult but paint.... give me a break..
If you look close, you can see the excellent, highly artistic spray-paint job on the face of this Wesley Special. It made for a nice, close 3 1/2 yard shot on the bull that, as you can see, left a bit of a trail.
And now. . . some fine and pleasant poetry for your reading pleasure this Christmas Weekend:
WITHOUT A GOOD COAT OF SPRAY PAINT,
A GOOD HUNTING BOW IT AIN'T.
IT MAY CAUSE SOME TO FAINT,
BUT A PAINTING A HILL IS THE WORK OF A TRUE SAINT.
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Paint a Hill!!! :eek: Rik, you are one twisted, demented person! :smileystooges: :laughing: :laughing:
Bow quivers , camo paint jobs ... ggggeeeessshhh Rik , next You'll be spraying that Sunset Hill ... ain't enough egg nogg in the world to explain that one away ....
Merry Christmas my far off elk hunting mate !
Rik, I'm too lazy to paint! I have used a bow bra (er sock) mainly for scratch/dent protection. Some braggerts say they could kill game in a white tux with a all pink bow and pink fletched arrows!I don't know about at 3.5 ft. with that kind of outfit!
Merry Christmas to all
The ole guy
notice....Rik hasn't shown any photos of his 'Sunset' with painted limbs....no need to turn that gorgeous lady into a paited hussy. and oh....what about shooting big animals without painted limbs...huh Rik? are we talking 40"r?
You guys are good sports, putting up with my attempts to tease you about bow quivers and spray painting Hill bows (although I sense that Nate is a little worried about me possibly putting paint on the beautifully carmelized limbs on the Sunset Hill bow he made for me).
Don't get me wrong, I like back quivers, and use them for hunting small game all the time, but I have yet to figure out how to hunt big game with them in the kind of thick country that I hunt, while wearing a large pack (see photo below).
I always carry enough gear to be able to spend a night or two out in the bush away from camp if I have to, and it's hard to get a back quiver to ride correctly with a big pack on my back. The picture below kinda shows the problem.
Back quivers and backpacks just don't fit together well enough for quick drawing and shooting. Sure, I can put a back quiver over my pack, but it just doesn't ride where it's supposed to. Without a big backpack, no problem. WIth a big backpack, big problem.
Now, where'd I put that can of spray paint. . .
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I like and prefer back quivers over all others but I do a fair bit of fly camp hunting and i hunt in between bivvy spots so a back quiver then is just not practical ...
But , if i am not hunting with all my bivvy equipment i use a back quiver and a Bison Houndsman for my incidentals . When I hunt New Zealand in 3 months it will be with both a back quiver and a bow quiver or Bower side stalker for overniter hunts.
Rik, what make quiver is that? It looks like a Selway hood and an old Delta on the bottom. I love those Delta style arched arrow holders just never seen one on a quiver like that.
Maybe even a couple of "old school" Ribteks on those arrows??
I love a bare longbow but I always seem to shoot better with the extra weight of a quiver hanging from it.
Photos on the way boys, photos on the way (at least, they are on the way if my digital camera works at below zero on the first morning of 2011.
My FrankenQuivers, my Hill Quivers, and my Shoshone Plains Quivers. Stay tuned. . .
The Shoshone is my favorite, but then I WAS raised in Blackfoot, so there's no surprise there. I Just haven't figured out how to kill an elk with one.
Kinda thinkin' a New Year's Resolution regarding no bow quiver is in order, but with the wolf situation here, it might be too difficult to accomplish. I don't buy meat, so failure means vegetarianism. My Northmen ancestors would really frown on that.
Photos on the way boys, photos on the way (at least, they are on the way if my digital camera works at below zero on the first morning of 2011.
My FrankenQuivers, my Hill Quivers, and my Shoshone Plains Quivers. Stay tuned. . .
The Shoshone is my favorite, but then I WAS raised in Blackfoot, so there's no surprise there. I Just haven't figured out how to kill an elk with one.
Kinda thinkin' a New Year's Resolution regarding no bow quiver is in order, but with the wolf situation here, it might be too difficult to accomplish. I don't buy meat, so failure means vegetarianism. My Northmen ancestors would really frown on that.
I tried one on one of mine once, to each his own, the one i had was a Selway. I suppose if I was wearing a back pack or something I would have thought it worked. I did not like the feel with it.
:In a nutshell EEWWWWWWWW! that would make it look like a hermaphrodite: Turns out one of the Christian School teachers we had was a hermaphrodite, the beard and bass voice was a dead give away. I would say that a Hill with a good bow quiver is not quite the same as the bearded "lady".
Lest you think me a total Neanderthal, here are some photos taken this morning to prove I actually have hunting quivers that do not attach to my bow. These photos should calm Nate down a bit-----the Sunset Hill is still free of spray paint and as pretty as the day she came home with me for the first time.
(, , , and yes, the camera does work when the temperature is just above zero, however, the pipes at my house are frozen solid, nary a drip of water coming through. Looks like we are starting 2011 off with some COLD weather!)
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Cool Pics Rik...looks like a beautiful place . I use a side quiver now and again and the more I use it the more I like it .....
I like your new Years resolution, bet Nate does too !
Thought I'd bring this thread back up for the Hill fans.
I like using a bow quiver for hunting (Great Northern strap-ons). They're handy and work well on my hybrids. But not on my Hills. They're noisy on the Hills.
Not that I haven't tried troubleshooting. I always make sure the rubber straps are snugged up tight, just above (riser side) the fadeouts. My woodies are spined properly, fly well, aren't hitting the shelf and shoot equally well with or without the bowquiver on. Fletching clearance is good...they don't touch each other and arrows/fletch aren't slapping the limb at release. Take the quivers off the bows and they shoot scary quiet. Put them back on and 'clack' at release...on every shot. This happens regardless of which bowquiver I use (I have two) and with all three of my Hills. Put the same quivers on my hybrids...no problems.
So there you have it, irrefutable scientific evidence that the spirit of Howard Hill hates bowquivers. He probably hates spray paint, too. Best not to risk it. :archer:
You're probably letting the bow turn in your hand at the shot. Do need to grip the bow lightly to keep the quiver from sideways torquing the bow.
I don't know. I don't think Howard would have minded bow quivers, except for the fact that he probably couldn't get enough arrows in them. He liked a lot of arrows in his quiver when chasing small critters. :dunno:
You'll get lots of thoughts on this, but it worked great for me. I used a Great Northern strap on with my Meigs, Chuck Jones and Dave Johnson Hill styles with no issues. Only you can decide how it works for you so give it a try.
For me, putting a bow quiver on a Hill style bow is like putting ketchup on scrambled eggs, Disgusting!!!!
about the only thing as bad would be shooting anything but wood arrows out of one
Ketchup on scrambled eggs ! . . . . yummy ! or better yet, a bunch of Tapatio sauce. And BACON, , lots of bacon.
OH NO. . . I'm hungry, gotta go.
ChuckC
Some things just ain't right, and a bow quiver on a Hill falls right in there. Actually, though I don't care for bow quivers, a lot of my friends say that a follow up shot can be made faster with far less movement. The best thing to do would be to see if the bow quiver affects performance and let that be the guiding light.
At one time (after hunting with a big bulky bow quiver)I hated the idea of another quiver. Then one day I ran into a guy with a little bitty 3 arrow quiver that looked like it would add almost no weight to a bow. We liked the idea so well that we bought his dies and started making them..., with some improvements. Now we make more varieties and sizes than anyone else.
Don't throw all bow quivers into the same category. Just as there's a bow that particularly
fits you, there is a bow quiver that best fits that bow. I would put our (EFA) largest quiver on a heavy recurve, but with a longbow I would limit it to a mid size 4 arrow.
It is a fact that some quivers will affect some bows to shoot tighter groups and quieter. They are also very convenient.
To each his own. I've hunted with EFA off-set/totem quiver for several years. Works great for me on my HHA bows. Great products, light weight, durable and quiet.
I tried it, but didn't like the lopsidedness. When hunting moose, I use my gfa clone, and a solo stalker on the bow. Otherwise, I use a back quiver.
Even though bow quivers don't work (or look) well on my Hills I enjoyed Rik's photos and good-natured 'poking' from several years ago.
If you haven't seen his 'ilongbow' hunting summaries on uToob you should take a look, the footage and narration is great and the country is beautiful. He puts you right there on the mountain with him. Seems like a dedicated hunter who isn't afraid to get his boots dirty...and he likes Hill longbows to boot! What's not to like...ceptin' that dang thing hangin' off his bow. :thumbsup: