Ok guys I need some opinions. I checked out the archives and didn't find much to help on the specifics I got.
I am now stationed in Germany and will be for another few years and need a good all around winter boot. I'm looking for something to hunt in back home some and use when I want to go out on these nasty cold days. The temps here have been maybe up to 25F since Thanksgiving. Slush has been one of my biggest enemies so far. So these are the major things I'm looking for:
-Warmth (I've been in -C temps for almost a month now.
-Water proof, save me from the slush and the odd occurrence that the temp gets to 2-3C and it actually rains.
-Good all around use, something I can use hoofing it to the lodge, and taking advantage of the Ozarks back home.
-An added bonus would be the ability to have it resoled, but is not necessary.
-Don't break the bank, soldiers don't make much money, things are pricey over here, and Congress is talking about taking away our allowances and making us pay for our insurance.
That's what I can think of for now, but I'm sure other things will come up.
Thanks,
BDA
Muck Artic Sports have no competition in my opinion.
I second Muck boots.
If they fit you, the black (moderate cold) or white (deep cold) mickey mouse boots are great, and cheap. Sportsman's Guide has them; Bata is the best brand, if you can choose. Wool booty-lined Sorels, LaCrosse, and Bean boots are great, too, not too expensive, and can be resoled. Muck or Bog boots are likely your best bet if the slush gets deep.
OK gotta add this. When I go off post I try to not look American as it really helps with how they treat you over here. Kinda that nail that sticks out gets hammered thing. So for that aspect I'm trying to stay away from the mostly rubber boots (they don't seem to wear them to much) like the Muck boots. That and if they wick sweat as well as my LaCrosse neoprene and rubber boots I'd have nasty funky feet in a hurry.
Slush isn't to deep, just soaks through everything I own in a hurry with the exception of my gore-tex lined duty boot (but that makes me that nail).
I have been looking a lot at Sorel and Kamik and other similar pac boots. When it comes to a pair of quality foot wear I think of $300 as breaking the bank, but even then I can find plenty of good quality boots for less than $150. The other nice thing is the lace up system really helps in the comfort as pull on boots never fit me well.
But as I said I want opinions, and I'm sure this thread will help others out as well. So I guess I should add this to that loose list of requirements.
-Preferably Lace up
-Preferably about 9-12" tall
OK, this violates one of your preferences but nails the local concern. One of the best pairs of boots I ever had was a pair of pull-on Nokia with a pullout felt liner. It came with carbide studs or caulks. I have no idea if they are still around, since mine are still going.
Schnee's, are a hard boot to beat! A bit pricey, but well worth it, can be totally rebuilt, and they are made in Montana. They are rubber bottoms, with leather uppers.
Cabela's sells boots made by Meindl in Germany, and they're having a sale right now: Meindl boot sale (http://www.cabelas.com/browse.cmd?categoryId=107206380) .
Meindl sells its own boots in Germany, of course, and I bet you'd be able to "pass" with some of the Cabela's versions. Be prepared for some questions about a Meindl model that they don't see in the stores over there.
Follow this link to the Meindl Hunting boots sold in Germany: Meindl models (http://www.meindl.de/english/modelle/index.html) . You'll see some that look identical to the Cabela's models, and I'd bet they'd be a lot cheaper if bought online from Cabela's or bought over here and shipped to you.
LaCrosse are top for comfort in a heavy boot - but for the ultimate warmth in any boot bar absolutely none - go with the white Mickey Mouse boots(military)
+1 on the Schnee's
I think you would be happy with Schnee or LL Bean type boots. I was over there and these type of boots should blend in fine. You wool hat, coat and pants would be a must also. They have some great wool in Europe.
Cabelas Outfitter boots. Leather, water proof, different levels of insulation. Mine are 1200 grains thinsulate. I'm guessing still less than $150.
BOGG boots are pretty nice. Also, White's pac boots are pretty damn nice.
QuoteOriginally posted by tim roberts:
Schnee's, are a hard boot to beat! A bit pricey, but well worth it, can be totally rebuilt, and they are made in Montana. They are rubber bottoms, with leather uppers.
X2 The Schnee's are very tough to beat when it is cold.
I spent 3 years in Augsburg, 90 to 93. Head down south to some AFRC in Gamrmish or somewhere south and look at some boots in the German shops. Germans invented mountaineering and you will find some great boots! I know the dolar sucks right now but you could find what your looking for, try it on and know what your buying first hand. Besides you can ski the Zukspitz cheep and be able to one day tell your grandkids all about it while your at it. :thumbsup: There is some really cool stuff over there. Dont miss it.
Check out Lowa boots. I think they are made over there.
Just got off the Schnees website and their best boot was only rated to -20 inactive . I have an Old pair of LaCrosse Iceman(25yrs old) that have rubber bottoms that have 3/8" polymeric insulation around the boot and a felt sole integrated in the bottm of the rubber boot , they also come with a felt boot liner , so when I bought mine I got a size larger and place another felt insole in the bottom of the felt liner - so I have three layers under my feet and by the way these are rated to -80F . My feet have never been cold and we have the weather where I live to have tested these boots to the limit in the woods and on the ice . But like I said early nothing beats the Mickeys !Just my 2cts through experience .
Another thong to consider. You could buy any of a multitude of good hiking/hunting boots with around 60-1000 grams thinsulate and carry boot blankets with you for stand hunting in extreme cold weather. Less bulk and sweaty feet when moving, and the boot blankets are awesome for stand hunting.
Yes, Schnee's.
Earl
I lived in FRG from 86-89. And although cold, it is nowhere near the winters I was raised in on a farm in WI. I think the Danner Elk hunter from Cabelas with 400 gram thinsilate would be just the ticket. And they are made in the USA. I grew up with sorels in winter, then to kamiks for late season bow hunting. Now I am in my 5th winter with the Danners. From wood cutting, mountain hunting, to winter tree stand in single digit temps. Danners rock.
Mike
QuoteOriginally posted by Doug in MN:
QuoteOriginally posted by tim roberts:
Schnee's, are a hard boot to beat! A bit pricey, but well worth it, can be totally rebuilt, and they are made in Montana. They are rubber bottoms, with leather uppers.
X2 The Schnee's are very tough to beat when it is cold. [/b]
Another vote for Schnee's :thumbsup:
Sorel Caribou for me. Buy them big. Lot's of room for uncompressed socks is key. When it's real cold and I'm on stand, I put a hot pack on top of my foot. When it's real, real cold, I use electric socks.
The product review section has a boot called the Steger mukluks and camluks. I read the review and called the company to try out a pair. very light 1.5 # and extremely warm. Read the section and decide for yourself, made in USA Minn.
I have a pair of Irish Setters that I am very pleased with. I've had them down to -15°F and stuck it out long enough to kill a buck. God, that was a cold day. They are better for moving than my Sorel Crusaders (I have narrow feet) and nearly as warm if I put two heavy socks inside. Still, for sitting over three hours in anything below 20°F the Sorel Caribou is my go to boot; sized large for socks and airspace. But I can't lace the Caribou up tight enough for much distance walking or snowshoeing.
PS - I think the Crusader has been replaced by the Conquest design.
QuoteOriginally posted by maxwell:
The product review section has a boot called the Steger mukluks and camluks. I read the review and called the company to try out a pair. very light 1.5 # and extremely warm. Read the section and decide for yourself, made in USA Minn.
I wasn't going to post about them because one of the OP's criteria was that they be waterproof... but since you mentioned them...
I have the Steger Arctic mukluks and I will attest that they are great -
as long as it's cold enough for any H20 to be in solid form (that is, ice or snow)! I've given them a silicone treatment but they are NOT waterproof... but they
are extremely comfortable, light, and warm when it's really cold (but dry)!
Have had a pr of Muck boots.
Never again.
The soles cracked within 2yrs on them.
I mean cracked in multiple places right through to the foot bed.
Tread is barely worn down. Just really crappy rubber.
These are leather and corovan uppers.
They were supposed to have some sort of "goretex like" liner. Heck they leaked immediately.
Really dislike them...never again.
Most of you don't get the snow we get so I can understand why you would choose the boots you have . We just got 71" in the last 2 weeks and the ML season is still going on till wed.- you wouldn't last out there long in any all leather boot , Only extreme weather boots here .
Check out Xtra Tuff rubber boot neopren insulated, they are made in the US, and every body and there dogs are wearing these in South East Alaska, they are warm, water proof and cheep!!
Cheers
An other option would be a pair of Neos, the one with insulation, they are fully water proof, you can wear them over your shoes, boots, slippers etc.
A lot of the mushers up here were them over the Steiger Mukkluks when going into over flow or when the temperature goes way down below -40F
An other option to consider!!
I've been very happy with my mickey boots and smart wool extra heavy over the calf socks.
They are heavy and not a "stealthy" boot.
But they don't leak, keep my feet warm, and aren't too awful expensive.
My main complaint is the dang valve,
When sitting on the ground kinda curled up it gets pressed into my ankle...starts to hurt.
I cured that by cutting it out and sealing it with silicone caulk. Silicone has been in there for 3 seasons and still looks good. If it does start to come out I'll just pull/cut it out and redo.
i love my Lacrosse Alpha Burleys 1000 gram, have never got a cold foot yet and they are almost knee high which makes them great in water or deep snow!I also have a pair of Irish Setter Mountain Claws with the King toe fit, very wide and roomy in the foot bed!