hey guys been lookin at some broadheads for next years deer season and im stuck between these two. which do you think is better and why? i know they both do the job as long as its put where it needs to be i just want to know which youd perfer and why. i would like to see some pictures of game taken with the broadheads also if possible.
thanks,
steven
Try a search for the Tree Sharks and you'll get a bunch of pics and discussion. Dave has some Simmons "Damage" shots on his website you might like also. I have Interseptors, Tree Sharks, and just yesterday got some 165 grain Landsharks. I talked to Dave (Simmons owner) a bit last week when I ordered the LandSharks. I was having some trouble getting them sharp as I like, even though I have the SteelMaster Sharpener. He knew right away my problem. I can now get any Simmons head shaving sharp in about 1 minute, out of the box. I was using too much pressure with the ceramic rods.
My advise is to get a few of each and shoot them, then use whichever you have the most confidence in. They are both excellent, proven heads.
yea i know the both will work im just sort of new to traditional and could use a good bloodtrail to follow to find my deer. i just was wonderin wich would prduce the best bloodtrail. i just saw a pack of ace2blades $20 for 6 and ive read good reviws. i just dont know how good of a bloodtrail is left by a 2 blade head
Just picked up some tree sharks, the were a pain to get to spin right but they fly great and will leave a killer hole!
If Stevie Wonder bowhunted he'd be shooting Tree Sharks. Lol!
Zwickeys and Magnus impress me how something that simple can work so well.
Been using 2 blade Zwickeys for years, strictly traditional. My son had the fancy razor blade heads and I convinced him to try the Eskimo and that has been the only head he has used for about 5 years now. He uses a compound with all the bells and whistles.
I figure if it was good enough for Fred Bear its good enough for me. Another thing is they are real easy to sharpen.
Can't comment on the Tree Sharks as I have never used one.
QuoteOriginally posted by Jon Stewart:
Been using 2 blade Zwickeys for years, strictly traditional. My son had the fancy razor blade heads and I convinced him to try the Eskimo and that has been the only head he has used for about 5 years now. He uses a compound with all the bells and whistles.
I figure if it was good enough for Fred Bear its good enough for me. Another thing is they are real easy to sharpen.
Can't comment on the Tree Sharks as I have never used one.
AMEN +1 :thumbsup:
I used Zwickey deltas for years with great results.Took me a bit to develope my style or sharpening method on them.My most memorable one was a 4by 3 mule deer buck that i shot between the ear and the antler that penetrated in the center of his brain and got about 1 yard.Granted some luck was involved as I was a very young iinexperianced hunter.However,alott of these new broadheads,with injector style blades I dont think would have preformed like that good ol hunk of solid steel did.They truely are some boneshattering heads though and really not too hard to get good and sharp either.Those newer "no mercy" sigle bevel one look good too.
P.S.I wish I knew how to post a picture of that buck,but it is an old photo and dont know how to do it.Also,all the Simmons broadheads just look awsome to me and dont see how you could go wrong with them,they cost more though.I really like the woodsman 3 blades too and they do a great job aswell.
Eskimo 4 blade from this year
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Forgot to add that we both shot nice bucks this year using the eskimo, Me a 7 pt, wood arrow and a long bow and my son an 8 pt that he is getting mounted. Both using the eskimo head.
Look at the pictures on page 1 and 2 of this thread for entry wounds from the Shark.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=096487#000000
You've picked nearly the polar opposites of the 2 blade spectrum.
How heavy is your bow, how heavy are your arrows and what are you hunting?
Without knowing any more, I'd have to go with the Eskimo.
my bow is bout 50 pounds 32" arrow and ill be hunting deer/turkey. how good of blood trails do you get with the 2/4 blade eskimo and are the ace 2 blades any good. (sorry for the confusion im just trying to get oppinons on which is best)
There is no question that Sharks are the better heads and produce better blood trails. Not even close. Swickeys and good heads - Sharks are Great Heads.
No disrespect to all you guys who use swickeys - I know plenty of animals hit the ground using them - we have many hundreds of animals to back up where we stand on this.
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The best bh of all time I think is a modified woodsman.
i was looking at the woodsman but i could find any info on blood trails left. only the shear penitration. they look good but i could use a good blood trail to follow. correct me if im wrong
All Zwickey four blade kills, I have more but you get the idea.
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By the way if you put one in the pocket your blood trail will be short and easy to follow no matter what head you choose.
I shot Zwickey Eskimo and Delta 4-blades for a few years, killed several deer, and had nothing but excellent results with them. I've never shot the Simmons heads, but head nothing but praise for them also.
i was lookin at zwikey and ace 2 blades because of the price. since im new i know im gonna miss and ruin some id rather ruin a 5 dollar head compared to a 10-15 dollar head if ya know what i mean.
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I can get a zwickee to shave hair with less time and effort and with cheaper sharpening tools than the land shark. They all need resharpening and for anyone that is challenged in that way, the zwickee is easier for many. A sharp zwickee is better than a dull anything else.
QuoteOriginally posted by $bowhunter$:
i was looking at the woodsman but i could find any info on blood trails left. only the shear penitration. they look good but i could use a good blood trail to follow. correct me if im wrong
Well 9 outta 10 with woodsman the blood is so good that it looks like someone pulled the drain plug. If you place your arrow well you will get good blood with any head
good luck on your quest.
Well, my 2 cents is if I were going to shoot a Simmons, I'd shoot the glue-on Tiger Shark. A screw-in Tree Shark is the only head I've ever had fold-up on me after a miss on game.
And though people 'gush' about the blood trails they leave, I think blood trails are more about where you hit than what you hit with.
A Simmmons is going to be trickier to sharpen, so if you're "sharpening challenged", you may want a more conventional head like the Eskimo or Delta or Magnus I. Personally, I've been very impressed by the Eclipse heads (especially the 145), and the deer I shot this season with a 4 blade Stinger left a monster blood trail.
You say "about 50" pounds, so I'll assume high 40's since lots of us short draw in hunting situations, so I'd stay away from the Tree Shark.
By the way, Simmons may be a good head, but Zwickey's are great heads. And there are hundreds of thousands of animals to back that up. :)
QuoteOriginally posted by Mr.Magoo:
You've picked nearly the polar opposites of the 2 blade spectrum.
How heavy is your bow, how heavy are your arrows and what are you hunting?
Without knowing any more, I'd have to go with the Eskimo.
Exactly a great point here, no pun intended. :clapper:
I have 1 dozen Zwickey Eskimo's, and I know they work from my buck down this year. I forgot and didn't shoot a picture of the enterance or exit or I would have posted it. But I do know is that the Zwickey Eskimo sliced right thru like butter.
yea. i narrowed it down to the ace 2 blade and the zwikey eskimo 2or4 blade. im gonna try and find a pack of each or just 1 or each test them and see which i like better. thanks for the info guys
If you go with the four blade you won't be sorry. Watch this video before you take them to the woods.
Terry\\'s sharpening video. (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=17;t=000056)
I never get sick of this four blade kill :bigsmyl:
Note the red nose, you know what that means and it ain't Rudolf :nono:
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how much better is a 4 blade than a 2 blade. i know more damage/less penitration but does it give a better blood trail?
For some reason, new hunters always seem like they want the biggest head with the most blades possible. I can remember thinking that about forty years ago. It's ok to use a big head if you get penetration to the other side of the animal. Penetration is number one. Of course this assumes you hit it in the right spot. My friend shot a caribou back in the seventies with a five bladed tip. He was using a compound. It only got one lung. He followed it around for four hours until it laid down and pushed the arrow the rest of the way in and killed it. Gary
Quotehow much better is a 4 blade than a 2 blade. i know more damage/less penitration but does it give a better blood trail?
No comparison, I have used both.
Blood trail depends as much on shot placement and sharpness as anything else. I've seen great and lousy trails form all types of broadheads. My best trails have been from a Zwickey 4-blade and an Ace Express 2-blade. The Ace hit I could blood trail from the tree stand.
When the hit goes as planned, all heads work great. It's when things go a litte "off" and max penetration becomes critical that the differences come out and a tough 2-blade really shines.
That pic on page 2 of mine was a 2 blade Interceptor. The head came out the front of the chest and the blood trail was UNREAL. I have made the same shot with BIG 3 blades and did not penetrate for and exit with minimal blood trail. BILL
OH by the way. It was scapel sharp. BILL
My hunting Buddy Chris Spikes shot this buck a few years ago. He was quartering away and only got one lung. The deer went a Mile. The shot was around 8 am and we found the deer at around 5:30. It was still alive.Jumped up ran about 100 yards and was to weak to get up again.A steady and for most of the way a profuse blood trail. Would we have found him with a smaller head? Who knows.RC
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I've use zwickey for 26 years when not useing my own or knapped heads.I can say that one of my friends tryed them a couple years ago.
HE SAID IT WASN'T LIKE JUST GLUEING ON A ZWICKEY.He had flight problems.They cut major holes once that on right.But he gave them up after a season.
This is a 4 balde Eskimo kill from this year. I prefer 200 gr. Ace heads but was just trying these out.
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I have pics of my buck taken this year in the Highlights 2010 section under "Iowa Halloween Buck". Used a Zwickey Eskimo on him as well as 3 antlerless tags filled this season using the Eskimo. They are a great head. One of the does was a spine hit with no damage to the broadhead.
holy smokes RC!!! that is a hole. Incredible how there's no blood on the coat. The hole must of torn open a bit as he ran?
For whitetails, why not use a big snuffer?
I swear sometimes I could put a blunt through them (sarcasm intended).
QuoteOriginally posted by RC:
My hunting Buddy Chris Spikes shot this buck a few years ago. He was quartering away and only got one lung. The deer went a Mile. The shot was around 8 am and we found the deer at around 5:30. It was still alive.Jumped up ran about 100 yards and was to weak to get up again.A steady and for most of the way a profuse blood trail. Would we have found him with a smaller head? Who knows.RC
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In this case yes that big head helped to recover that deer. But better shot placement and that size of head would not have been necessary. That being said no I do not think you would have recovered him with a smaller head, all other things being the same. So I guess it is a toss up as to what size head to use. I personally like standard sized heads because I like to get as much penetration as possible.
Chris has killed I think 78 deer with a bow and Simmons heads.I saw a video he did of a mature buck he shot at 4 yards and a treeshark went in through the spine and had an exit in his brisket.He was shooting a 490 grain arrow from a 65 pound predator recurve.RC
You cant really go wrong? all of the Bheads mentioned here have long histories of killin critters, all Bheads have left tons of blood most of the time and maybe just a few times that they didn't, 2, 3, and 4 bladed.
Most of you crew are way more experienced than myself but really a good stout proven head? can you go wrong? Bout all you cando is judge the poundae you pull and pick a friendly size that is good for your poundage, get it razor sharp and put it where your supposed to.
J
Hold on....got a couple....most of my kills are with the Delta 4 blades...
Just for kicks....Zwickey Eskimo 4 Blade....
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My Avatar....Zwickey Eskimo 4 Blade...
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Terry,
Didn't you have a tutorial on sharpening Zwickey's a few years ago or am I thinking of someone else?
Cool pic BTW,
Joe
Joe....yes...its on the 'how to' archives.
CLICK HERE (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000031)
BTW Steven...you might want to think about the Zwickey No Mercy. I was talking to Charlie Lamb years ago about about a cross between the Delta and the Eskimo. That if Z made a Bhead the length of the Delta and the with of the Eskimo it would be on dandy all around 4 blade......and then they came out with it and they didn't even ask me!!! :smileystooges:
You got a better angle of attack with the No Mercy...and I passed through Block Head with it.....my 1st shot with the No Mercy....
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Terry, that's it.
Thanks!
Joe
I used eskimos for a couple seasons a few years back
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I have been using Zwikee Eskimo's for over 30 years now. I have also used the Eskimo 4 bld. However, I think the 2 blade is just fine. I could send photos, but I might just mention the animals. Moose, caribou, grizzly, elk, mule deer, mt. lion, turkeys, javelina, etc. All were taken with the Zwikee. Why spend more $$$ and they are easy to sharpen. Give me a new head and 1/2 hr.later, it will have a longer taper and you will be able to shave with it.
Here's a picture of a cow elk taken with a Zwickey Eskimo. The 650 gr. arrow was going only 143 fps. but penetrated 20". Blood trail was good when I could see it (vegetation was turning brown so the blood was very difficult to see until it sprayed on a tree or downed log). I did not get full penetration but the BH was pushing up against the off-side hide, so I only had one hole bleeding. I have taken about 12 big game animals with Zwickey Eskimos and I love them.
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Good shots!
Look as clean as the come