Trad Gang

Hi Gang.
Does the bow I'm looking for even EXIST?

I'm looking for a bow that's 57" or shorter when strung.

Pulls about 45-47# at 25-26"

And will shoot a 540grn arrow ( about 12grn/# )
around 165+fps.

Seems all I can find shoots closer to 140-150.

Maybe I'm looking for unobtainium.

If anyone knows of such a critter let me in on it please...lol

Thanks
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John , the draw length is the problem. Not enough string time. I would bet though that my static Talon onepiece would come as close as anything because it has a 6 3/4in brace . It is 56 in. Also the SheepEater might do it. god Bless you , Have a great Thanksgiving, Steve

It doesn't exist!  Your draw length hurts you.

Check out my specs below in my signature. I'm shooting with a relatively short draw with my Pittsley Predator recurve. I'm shooting very close to the setup you mentioned and am getting 161 FPS with wool silencers on the string. This bow is one of the fastest bows out there. I am shooting a tad more weight with a fraction of an inch more draw and a 60 inch bow and I still don't quite get the 165 you're after. Another bow that is very fast is the Centaur Carbon Elite longbow. It could very well be the fastest longbow there is.

So, to answer your question, no it doesn't exist.

Contact Bruin Bows. Talk to Mike. Bet he can set you up. I have one that is 57" 50@ 28. It shoots in the high 180s at my 28 draw. If mike cant help you out. I might sell the one I got. But will have to shoot it thrugh a crono at your daw first. Mike makes great bows. I just like longer bows. joebass@tds.net
www.bruinbows.com (http://www.bruinbows.com)

PA-Spot, you're shooting a much lighter arrow than 12 grains per pound. Any bow can shoot 180 FPS if your arrows are very light.

Shooting home made sitca spruce at 31" with 145grn tips. Guesing they are around 550 grans. Will let you know latter today. As my intrest in learning is up. Will gran weigh, shoot thru crono.
Here we go 560 grain arrow. Drawn to 26" four shots thru crono. average is 143fps. Sorry

Your draw length ------.

I'm shooting an A&H acx that's 45 @ 28 that I draw to about 29 1/2 and with a 610 grain arrow I get a bit over 170fps..

IMO,
You would be better off  working into a bow that has enough poundage to get 9gpi w/ desired arro weight.Heavily reflexed and low brace height bows come w/ a price on forgiveness

Your going too be hard pressed to get those numbers with a 26" draw.  But I think the short A&H bow will probably come the closest.

Our Epic with a 15" riser and short static limbs makes a 54" bow and will be pretty close.  Might have to put one together and check it out.

Mike

Thanks all!
Sure are some nice bows mentioned.
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Zradix,
There are some curves out there that are so purdy they mesmerize the deer making speed of delivery irrelevant.

I'm a short draw archer, reckon that growth spurt passed me by some 40-50 years ago. Frankly, as soon as you start talking archery speed becomes an oxymoron. Unlike many folks, in 45 years and many dozens of bow kills (admittedly, most with compounds) I can't remember a deer where arrow speed made a difference in the outcome. I try to shoot at unalarmed animals, well withing my "gimmee" range. If my mind stays in the game (doesn't wander)I've been quite happy with the results. I want a bow that feels right, accomodates my form (mainly grip here), can be made quiet, and yes, I'm a sucker for beautiful woods and handiwork.

I shoot 54in and a 56in Centaur. Never been through a chrono but its by far the fastest bow I have ever shot. Both mine are 46# at 26in,,dead stone quit and great shooters. I am not advertizing but it impressed me enough to have 2 of them.

It's not so much the actual speed I'm concerned about.

What I'm really concerned about is having enough energy to get a pass-thru. I shoot a sharp, long and narrow ( 190 el grande griz) to help.

I have an Eaglewing 56" recurve(Sixby) that is fast. I also have a Centaur Carbon Elite  and several Morrison Shawnees and they are all fast and quiet. I have a 27" draw. All of these bows are top drawer.

46# at 26" with 424 grain Beman MFX Classic. Broadhead was 100 grain Helix. Complete pass through at 21 and 16 yards on two deer this year so far. Both dropped in sight-52 and 59 yards away.  The bow was a 58" The Stick recurve.

I'm hoping to add two more before Christmas.

Bow wild..What do you have any idea what speeds you have with that setup??
Are you saying your total arrow with point was 424grains or 524grains?
I'm sorry but I know nothing about carbon arrow types or their weights.

Thanks for the help everyone!

Everything you want can be bought if you have enough money to spend!

lol...I don't!

Nobody makes a bow that will get 165 fps with a 26" draw and 12 gpp. Even if you shot a release.

The fastest bow I ever shot through a chrono was a Turkey creek that was 50@30". I draw 30" and with my 13.5 gpp hunting set up I got 165 fps.  I got 201 with just shy of 9 gpp. Both of these numbers was a six shot average. My bow had a 10 stand d-97 string with hushpuppies.   I shot a calf hair tab.

Any of the known fast bows will be within a few fps of each other but I will all but guarantee that no trad bow will shoot 12 gpp @ 26" 165 fps, shooting fingers.

Zradix,
That's my total arrow weight with broadhead. I'm using a 75 grain brass insert but that too is part of the 424.  I'm not suggesting by the way that my arrow is perfect, I will probably try to get it to 500 grains by next season and that would still be light to some fine folks here. (My arrow might be closer to 450 but for some reason 424 sticks in my head).  By the way, I love the Beman MFX Classic, I've used a lot of different arrows over my 45 years of bowhunting and I've never used a better one. Very durable, narrow to preserve my centershot, and I like the traditional look.

The first pass through this year was a double lung. The arrow was just laying on top of the leaves past the deer. The 2nd pass through, again double lung, found the arrow stuck in the ground which surprised me. Now, it wasn't so ground-stuck that I had to use both hands to retrieve it but enough to tell  me my set-up is plenty sufficient and I shoot it well.

I don't own a chrony so I can't say how fast (or slow) my bow is, sorry.  I have been intrigued with owning a chrony, just to know and compare a bit.  Shoot, after all this  years I just bought my first digital bow scale and digital grain scale this year.  Both these little tools have been very enlightening.

Bowwild,

Thank you for the info.
Like your signature by the way.
We're most likely in the same total energy ball park. I'm shooting a 540grn at 45# at 26" getting 132 fps out of a little martin rebel.

With a 475 tot wt arrow I get 146fps

Easy energy comparo...
540grn x 132ft/s = 70,200grnFt/sec
475grn x 146ft/s = 69,350grnFt/sec

you're a little lighter so prob a little faster
maybe...
424grn x 152?ft/sec = 64,448grnFt/sec

Obviously your set up is working well.
Mine should too!

Would be nice to pack some more heat though...lol

Thank you for the real world info.
I appreciate it!
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OPINION ONLY:I stick with either the EagleWing Talon onepiece tweaked to shoot at 25 inches or with WingNuts bow tweaked if he does that. I say this not because I build this bow but because it will fit the criterion you laid down  and still produce the energy to do what you said.

I also agree with Mike in that I would have to do some r and d to determine if it can be done. I think either of us could get real close with a variation of those bows. In the case you laid down a low brace is a must. I get that with an extreme foreward riser and a pre loaded limb design. So does Dryad although I believe my riser is a bit more foreward than theirs and that their limb is a bit more reflexed.

God Bless you and everyone have a wonderful Thanksgiving. So many bows and so little time. Steve

Zradix, accuracy is what trumps all in bowhunting. Lots of deer are killed every year successfully with set ups that are inferior to yours. A sharp broadhead in the right spot is going to get the job done-get out there and do it, and hide the calculator.   :archer2:

I'm kinda lost as to why "arrow speed" is such a big factor for you. I have the same T-Rex 26" draw and when shooting a 56" or 58" bow, at 47-49#'s find myself very happy with a slow & quiet arrow of 545 grains. Then again, that's just me and a lot of folks out there find me strange...  :rolleyes:

... mike ...

Contact Dan Toelke at  www.montanabows.com (http://www.montanabows.com)  and ask him if his 52" 1 piece recurve or a 56" Chinook 1 pc. recurve would do what you want. I have owned a 60" Chinook and shot his 52" a bit and both bows are rocket launchers and love heavy arrows.

Like I said before,
Energy comes from mass and speed.
I've got the mass.
More speed = more energy = more penetration.( given all others are equal)

I can (and do) compensate for the trajectory.
That's not the problem, but a little flatter flight would be an added benefit.

QuoteOriginally posted by mcgroundstalker:
I'm kinda lost as to why "arrow speed" is such a big factor for you. I have the same T-Rex 26" draw and when shooting a 56" or 58" bow, at 47-49#'s find myself very happy with a slow & quiet arrow of 545 grains. Then again, that's just me and a lot of folks out there find me strange...   :rolleyes:  

... mike ...

I as far as the speed thing I explained that above...that's the only reason. No prob.

Have you taken any whitetails with your setup?
I haven't. Maybe after I get a couple under my belt with good results I'll stop worrying about it lol.

Thanks

Speed and Mass dosen't mean a hill of beans if your not getting good arro flight.
Give me a bow I can consistantly get quality arro flight over 10-15fps faster bow that's touchy to shoot

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Originally posted by Bjorn:
Zradix, accuracy is what trumps all in bowhunting. Lots of deer are killed every year successfully with set ups that are inferior to yours. A sharp broadhead in the right spot is going to get the job done-get out there and do it, and hide the calculator.    :thumbsup: