Shot a buck this evening with an Interceptor that I had razor sharp and honed to easily shave hair. The shot was 10 yards and quartering away it took him at the last rib and poked out through the front of the chest. I have shot many deer with many broadheads but the wound and blood trail from this was UNREAL. They fly great for my setup and I will be shooting these for a while. I will try to post pics of the wound. BILL
I love my Simmons! I've been shooting them a long time. Here are a couple of pics from my first two this year........
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190gr. Interceptor
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Never had any Treesharks, until last week. They are BIG and fly great with 4 inch feathers. Left an incredible bloodtrail!
Thanks for posting. Good shooting!
They shoot great from my setup but they are technically illegal in NY due to the back swept rear corners.
I've heard on other post about Simmons being illegal.... I don't understand why the shape / design of a Brodhead makes them illegal?
Heard the same thing but noone has been able to show me or prove to me when is barbed head considered a barbed head? I don't beleive they fit the catagory of a barbed head because the barb does not start from the shaft which normally would angle immediately backwards.
A barbed broadhead is one in which the angle formed between the trailing or rear edge of any blade and the shaft is less than 90 degrees. Broadhead examples on the right compare one that is barbed to three that are legal. Broadheads with retractable blades are legal. Broadheads with mechanical blades are legal if the blades DO NOT form a barb or hook when the arrow is pulled from the flesh of a deer or bear.
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THIS IS NEW YORK'S DEFINITION
Here is a link to the Gov page where the info is posted http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/8305.html
Even if a stock Shark is illegal..not sure it is... Looks to me that with about 30 secs of filing they could be legal.
The type that have a "pocket" for the shaft to fit into might well be illegal.
That legal vented head in the pic looks similar in style to a shark to me. I hope you can use it if you like it.
I suspect some of the screw in models may technically qualify as barbed because of how the blade extends back towards the shaft. The glue on models would NOT have this issue.
I have been shooting Simmons from when they first came out. Jerry Simmons gave me a six pack to test. The first deer I shot with one you could literally put a soda can in the hole. We went back and forth with the Alabama Fish and game as to whether they were considered a barbed broadhead or not. They determined they were not barbed and legal to hunt with in Alabama. The blades are swept back but not barbed. THANK GOODNESS!! I just do not see myself hunting with anything else.
I was going to post that they are fine for NY.
But then I actually got to looking.
Here is the exact wording: "A barbed broadhead is one in which the angle formed between the trailing or rear edge of any blade and the shaft is less than 90 degrees." So, even though the ferrule is set-back and the blade doesn't meet it with that rear gap of the LandShark, the rear edge is still an oblique angle to the shaft itself. I'd argue they are not barbed by that definition.
But I'm not a warden or a judge. It doesn't matter what you or I think - it matters what they think. I e-mailed the DEC for a clarification. We'll see if I get a response (I used my O-Fishal Gummint e-mail address - Wooooooo).
I just do not understand the "barbed" mentality.
Its a broadhead. Its not a harpoon head.... Ya can not reel in a 150# deer on the end of an arrow.....
I think it has to do with allowing deer or nature to work the head out for healing in the event of a non-lethal hit. I really don't know. I think the Pearson skeleton barbed head is the hottest looking head ever. Laws have nothing to do with common sense or fairness.
Why are mechanical heads allowed at all? The majority of them are barbed when open . . . if they open.
Stump:
Perhaps but I have checked deer with Razorheads etc. encapsulated all over their bodies One where the hunter brought us in the lungs because he felt something solid. It was a razorhead type BH solidly encased in the upper outside of the left lung. It was like cutting into a nut to define the BH
Based on Zradix pics they are legal as they clearly fit the 3rd heads profile.
I think I will be picking some sharks up real soon :thumbsup:
Wow! I got a response already that my question is being directed further upstream (I sent it to the local regional office). Interesting that they couldn't just look at the image I sent of the LandShark and give a ruling.
Huntschool - I'm with you, not against. I have no problem with the rear of broadheads; but am of a definate opinion on how the front and cutting edges should be. Not that anyone cares, but I approve of all of the Simmons heads - thick, spearpoint blades of good steel and bevel that are easy to sharpen and keep sharp. I have no issue with anyone who choses to toss a multi-blade or wide head . . . as long as it is with adequate force.
I have a modest collection of glue-on broadheads and with some you just wonder what and how much the designer was drinking at the time.
yikes :scared:
Ya just gotta love them Ineceptors. I still have some origional ones from Mr. Jerry! Still doing their thing!
Impressive results!!
If you like them but have legal issues then check out centaur.com for his bh's that are not "barbed".
I'm gonna have to try some of these!
Jerry Simmons is a good friend of mine. He's a top-notch inventor and the best whitetail woodsman I know. Jerry once told me that his "original non-vented Interceptor" could be considered a barbed head due the acute backward angle of the blades. On the other hand the newer "vented Interceptor", as well as it's non-vented version, is NOT a barbed head having a very different angle. I showed my collection of Simmons heads to a KY game warden friend of mine who agreed that only one in my collection would be considered barbed here. For the record I haven't seen that particular head in any of the photos posted on Tradgang. Jerry gave me a sample of every head that he ever invented for a Simmons catalog photo I took several years ago. I eventually arranged all of them in a shadow box as a keepsake. I guess I could post a photo of that since it includes the so called "barbed head".
This is the way it was explained to me. The original interceptors are barbed. Look at the wing section of the heads and you will see the curve on the back end. The vented interceptors were created without that effect on the back of the head to keep them legal in certain states. In SC, GA, & Al the originals are legal. In NC, the originals are not so I use my vented when hunting up there. (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b161/DWB123/DSCN0094.jpg)
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Compare the backs of these heads to the original Interseptor and you will see what I mean.
Thanks Gary for clearing that up. I just can't remember who told me that years ago but it was some one back in Bama. Maybe Lynn Harrelson.
I will get my pics up this weekend. I went back a day later and the trail was STILL wet the whole way! BILL
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Note Mr. Ferguson's broadhead.
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My question now is can these be file sharpened? I've never tried a concave curve with file.
Stumpkiller, they can be sharpened with a file!! The file just has to be round.
Great shooting on those deer! Love to see guys killing them with the simmons heads. I normally stay away from posting on my own product but I thought that I would clear something up before it got out of hand.....The Simmons heads are not even "technically illegal in any of the 50 states or any country in the world. The return edge of the broadhead has to be of atleast 90 degrees or the head is considered barbed. All of my heads meet or exceed this criteria except for one. The original Interceptor or SB 40. It is illegal in 38 of the 50 states because it is considered barbed.
Hope this helps ya'll out.
Again congrats on the kills guys if you can email me some of those pics and I'll putm on my site. Thanks and God Bless! Dave
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Hey gang I sharpen the trailing edge - so it basically becomes a leading edge and will cut if it comes out backwards - eliminates any so called "barb"
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I just sharpened up three for the late season.