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Brag on your dog, give me your oppinion, breeds, cost, training, whatever. I am seriously considering a new dog for my pack(home) I would really like to rescue a dog and not go the breeder route but want some input. I have been looking online a lot and reading everything I can as well, I ordered the book about blood tracking dogs that is on all the websites. My thoughts are leaning towards getting a Dachsund mix puppy in the spring and working with him all summer. What are your thoughts? Who has one and what are some of your training tips?
Thanks - Bob Urban
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i have a lad now(Bear). he is abouty 1.5 year old now. he found 1 this year and trailed another that was 14 hours old for about 300 yards and i had to stop because of the property line. this is #4 for me. my best was a walker hound, had 1 other lab and a mut. just take them on some deer that were shot. most that i have used just pick it up naturaly. do a surch on the web. there are several training methods. i have read moost of them and uses some of each method
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Bob,
I just got a Jack Russell from a guy in Lake City, MI. We needed another indoor dog due to our cavalier having mental issues when the kids are in school and no one is home all day- he was like a sack of potatoes- just moped and did nothing. Our vet said get another dog to keep him company... so I pushed hard for a tracking dog. This little guy is a small breed, with a great little nose. At 7 weeks he can track a piece of deer steak that I drag through the yard for 8-10ft. Looking forward to really getting after training this coming spring. I was looking at wirehair dachsund- but the wife and kids think they are ugly....
Do a google search for JRT in MI. The place is not my idea of wonderful breeding- more like a mill..... but the pups are well taken care of and not too expensive.
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My Jack Russell (wire haired) has tracked a couple of deer- 60yds and 200yds. Never did any training, she just naturally followed the scent. The first deer I just let her go and she took off in the general direction the deer ran but I couldn't find her, she didn't make a sound. She probably tracked the deer but didn't stick around and she went back to the house. I put her on a leash this time and she just pulled me to them. Good Girl!....Phil
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i love dachshunds! i've had them all my life and they are very versatile in their hunting habits. i've had them retrieve doves to track deer. i knocked a dove down in a pond one time. my dachshund didn’t see it hit but tracked it by scent and sat down wind on the edge of the pond and waited for the wind to blow it to her. all of mine were avid squirrel hunters with me and have come in handy when a wounded squirrel runs down a hole. they are great with kids, if they are introduced to them when they are a puppy. i've seen older dachshunds that have not been around kids, not have as much patience with them. my nine year old daughter gets in the floor and wrestles with mine all the time. from the noise they make, growls and squeals, you would think they were in a fight to the death. a fellow just called me last week to tell me he had a litter of red and white wire hair dachshunds. i have always wanted one of these and i am lobbying hard for one in my christmas stocking.
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Our Oskar is about 16 months old now, he's a standard smooth Dachshund of European (hunting) bloodlines. His mother's side is northern European and daddy is from Austria. Search "Oskar" in powwow and you can find several posts I made about him.
Depends on what you want for a dog - is he going to be primarily a tracking/hunting dog or 90% a house dog....of course regardless of your plans you have to live with the dog the other 8-9 months of the year when you aren't hunting so pick one you can live with.
Oskar is fantastic FOR US - and gets along very well with his pack (geriatric basset, old rat terrier, and middle aged beagle) and he sleeps in the bed with the wife and I. That said, a hard-core, focused, hunting bloodline Dachshund isn't for everyone....and a breeder that tells you otherwise should be avoided like the plague.
As far as the "nose goes" Oskar found his first deer at 12 weeks old and was doing training tracks of 500 yards with very dilute deer blood (water diluted) aged 24 hours by 4-5 months old. We can't use full strength deer blood on training tracks (I dilute the blood about 1 part blood to 10 parts water) or age less than 24 hours or it is too easy and boring for him. 1 pint of this diluted blood is used for a 500-600 yard training track.
More important than the "nose" is prey drive/focus/prey aggression. Pretty much any dog has the nose to track a wounded deer - that is the easy part - you need a dog with the prey drive, focus, and mental connection with the handler to stick out the really tough tracks. Finding a dog, REGARDLESS OF BREED, with these traits is imperative....and how to do that is the ten-thousand dollar question. That is why the best bet is to go with a breeder of proven blood tracking stock for whichever breed you want.
The training is a real commitment of time and effort - there are some books out there, but its pretty much common sense. Just be sure you are ready for that commitment before jumping into a blood dog.
Our dog has really opened up a new facet of outdoor fun for us. My wife LOVES to track and I'd be in the doghouse if I went on a call without her. This year the toughest find was a 16 hour old track of a very poorly hit deer (low ham hit, opened the abdomen, but didn't cut the intestines, VERY small "modern" type broadhead for a "modern" type bowhunter) of 700 yards in a 100 acre CRP field with weeds/briars/bushes as high as your head. Took some work, but we found the deer and the hunter was REAL happy!
Ryan
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David, have you ever used your cavalier to track? Just curious, as we have 2, but they are untrained!!
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Great information above. I have a lab and a Jack Russel. The JR is 6 months old and found 3 deer this year. (all easy) I would caution putting a new dog on an upwind trail. Its easy for them to form bad habits and try to "wind" the dead animal rather that follow the blood trail. Laying your own blood trails can make a big difference. Because you know exactly how it runs, its easy for you to monitor exactly how your dog is doing. Watching my dogs work is almost as fun as the hunt itself.
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i know several people with j. russels and labs,etc ,, has anybody ever used a blue tick hound for tracking deer?? just wondering? thanks
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Goldflinger, I thought about trying "Brady" our cavalier, but the thought of having to brush and clean him everytime out in the woods didn't fly with my "smarter" self. He's the wifes $1200 lap dog, cute as all get out, and I'd like to keep it that way...
My new little JR is just a ball of energy right now. He's a chasing, sniffing, monster... :knothead: He certainly has brought some pep to Brady, which was the main goal in getting him ;)
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Bobby
I have kicked this Idea around for a few years and even put my name on a waiting list from the breader of the tracking book you speak of but havent got one yet. I have read the book cover to cover and learned alot from it. I still havent dont it yet. I have trained field trial dogs and know it takes a big commitment and alot of time to establish a good working dog and time to keep up their skills in the off season and for this reason I havent purchaced a dog yet.
Good luck and contact me anytime you want to discuss dogs, shoot bows ect...
Terry
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Originally posted by DRR324:
.....At 7 weeks he can track a piece of deer steak that I drag through the yard for 8-10ft. ....
Heck, I can track a deer steak around the yard...if'n it's cooked. :D
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what I didn't say about the steak tracking... he can do it in the dark, blindfolded, with one paw tied behind his back.... or more like ME with a beer in one hand, the steak on a string in the other....
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Tracking with a dog is a blast. I got a pup in June at 8 weeks old and she is doing great! We have had her on lots of critters this fall. She doesn't care about the 'modern' bowhunters or rifle hunters for that matter, she just loves to track, lick my kids and come to work with me every day. And her name is Carp, we got her the weekend before the Montana Bowhunter's Association Carp shoot here in western MT (the kids couldn't help naming her that!)
A huge part of tracking, imo, is bonding with the dog. She always wants to please and loves the smell of blood. I also put a bit of heart and liver on her food once in a while, besides the blood trails I set for her through our yard and neighbors' yards. They think it is a kick and haven't seen anything like it.
Here's Carp with her first real find in September in Missoula. I hope the pic is not too big.
Shoot straight fellas,
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was just given a long haired daschund pup 16 weeks old, had her tracking a runaway piece of ham for 30 feet. took less than five seconds. i think she likes ham. between the brittany and daschund i should be able to track something.
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To be honest, just about any dog can learn to track. I've taught a few labs, a collie, a jack russell, a couple of terrier mixes, a dachsund, a dumb as a post dalmation, and a couple of pure bred mutts. Most will come to it naturally. Like someone else said, the tracking will be a small portion of his life, so make sure he/she fits with your lifestyle.
BTW, this little hunk of terror has been my favorite. He's a handful, but is in his own class as far as entertainment and companionship are concerned.
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I got a 6 month old Catahoula pup who just a fantastic, world-beater of an all around dog. I hope to get him tracking deer soon. He followed one a little ways the other day. He didn't find it. We did. I hope he gets into it and turns into a good deer/squirrel dog.
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I have only one piece of advice if you are going to do serious tracking. Get a hunting bred daschund from a reputable breeder. They are the premium breed for bloodtrailing. They have the ability to follow a track that some of the other breeds will not even be able to smell. Their nose is every bit as good as any large hound plus they are a small dog. It is absolutely no fun being dragged through the briers and brush by a 50 or 60 pound dog. It is my belief that if you got a job for a dog, you need to get the best breed available for it.
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Hess,
Is that dog of yours a Black Mouth Curr? If so my buddy raises them for tracking and matter of fact I have a pic of one that tracked one very heavy racked buck this past sat.I have it on my cell phone and don't know how to post pics of the dog and Buck but if someone wants to post a pic of it for me I can send a pic to their cell phone...The Buck has one of the biggest base I have ever seen...Keefer's <")))><
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i have a lab that is now 5 mo. old and found his first deer a week ago.. i started him on by dragging a bloody tail around the yard and when he picked that up i started making the trail more fant and longer.he is far from a master tracker but he is well on his way to being one. trick ive seen is start young and lots of time training!!! this is the second lab ive done this with and seems to me the lab is the best all round far as listining and doing what is needed,but there are several breeds that would probly be just as good or better,more time with training makes bout any dog!!!
brad
(ps freeze some blood in mason jars and that helps with the off season training)
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I have blood and organs in the freezer as well as a lower leg and couple of deer hides. I am ready to train and have the time to do so - just need to pull the trigger on a dog. I am aiming towards early spring to get a pup and will continue to look into a breeder but I am really partial to rescues even if they have there possible faults. I may even work with a rescue group to foster some puppies. I have fostered before and this way I could work with them and see which one(s) are more into the tracking. I also plan on working with my 8 year old rescue just to see what he can do. He certainly has prey drive and has been with me to find deer but he has never tracked one and he is very feral and independant so I am not sure he has the consentration. It will be good practice for me training. Keep the imfo coming. thanks
When we have found deer together in the past he likes it!
this pic has been up here in the past but it shows you what I am working with.
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Bobby, that rescue organization pulled a fast one on you, they have you fostering wolf pups, obviously for release in Montana to control the elk population! That's a pretty guy (and pretty intimidating) right there.
I'll PM you the email of a breeder, I don't think she has any pups right now, but she is a great resource for all things tracking dog related and may have some thoughts for you. Beware, she is a dog person first and foremost!
We've had to redirect Oskar from the head of the deer to the back end on his finds. He has a tendency to get fired up and strip off double-handfulls of deer hair on "his" deer! I don't think hunters would appreciate seeing the head of thier trophy bucks stripped naked by the blood dog.
Ryan
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Timely topic for me:
I just put a down payment (first pick of litter) on a Deutsch Drahthaar puppy. I don't ordinarily get too excited about hunting-related stuff, but I'm thrilled about this! I have been searching for a top-line Drahthaar for about a year, but haven't connected. I was sitting in my treestand last evening when a noted kennel owner called me and made the offer. This kennel has always been my absolute top choice for a puppy...so I'm now pinching myself.
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-Wildgame,
That dog of mine is a yellow lab I shipped out from KS...she is pretty young in the photo and being a british lab she probably won't get more than 45-50 lbs. She does have a lot of black skin on her muzzle, belly etc.
Before I got her I saved blood from a few deer and elk last fall. I carried a turkey baster with me all year and a few zip locks so I could suck out the goodness for the dog I got this spring. Worked great.
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I have a Lab/Rottweiler mix (Angus) that my wife and I got for free at a farm store. He has been very interested in deer parts since about 6 mouths old. To keep him interested we give him deer legs to chew on each year. Although never formally trained for tracking, he followed a short blood trail last year to a deer I shot and never skipped a beat. I’ve never put him on the track of a deer that I have lost, but I thinking he could probably get me close to a lost deer or take me right to it.
He can be several yards away from the house with the wind blowing away from him and pick up my scent when I walk out the back of the house. Pretty damn amazing! Sometimes I call him the Nose.
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I had agood time this morning. I shot a big doe and she landed about 80 yards from the stand. I field dressed her and went home and got our new dog(we got him about 3mo.ago). I leashed him up and he went right down that blood trail and found the deer. he must be related to Ryans dog as after the initial smells had been made he latched on and wanted to eat. my BURRDOCK is about 60pounds so he can eat more than Ryans dog though,LOL. He was VERY excited. I was tickeled about the whole thing,shows me some promise.
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While this topic is still warm...
What are the titles of THE best books or CDs on training blood-tracking dogs? I'd prefer to buy just one, and nice to know which one is trusted.
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I bought the book "Tracking Dogs for finding Wounded Deer" by John Jeanneny when I decided to train a new pup. Lots of information about breeds but it has good info on when and how to start and keep a dog interested in blood trailing. I started Tumo (a bonafide mutt) at 8 weeks old. By the time he was 6 months old he had been on over 20 blood trails. He is now 4 years old and last fall followed an elk trail in 70+ weather for over 2 miles. Jeanneny says that the earlier you get a dog started the more the olfactory glands develop for the particular smell you want them tuned to. Seems to have worked for Tumo.
Hope that helps.
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I am on my way to pick up a pup related to Ryan's dog Oskar. Nothing beats a good dachshund and they are wonderful companions and pets during the off season. Best ones are from good hunting stock and reputable breeders. Second choice is a "pet" quality dachshund.
There are some other breeds that do good work, Jagterriers, Drathaars, some lines of Jack Russels. But most of these breeds take more training and handling skill.
I believe Mrs Kwa is planning another litter for late winter. Check out true-teckles.com
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If you have a long, difficult blood trail, you need a long dog.
This is Pumpkin..."PUNK" as we call her. Smart as they come, and kind to her core. You won`t go wrong with a Daschound. She has yet to experience a DIFFICULT track, but I have no doubt she will come through when she does. Her daddy was black, and her momma was red.
I had a Basset named Bart, that died about ten years ago, he could trail wounded deer as if he was on a string attatched to them. If the deer was dead, Bart found it.
Bart was BIG, and rude, and stinky, but he loved it when he knew he done good.
I started my Basset on bloodtrails by accident. A friend had hit a nice buck a tad too far back.
The blood was good to the first bed, but coyotes had jumped it. He heard them yipping right where the deer went. Why they didn`t get his deer, we never figured out.
We looked for hours after we lost blood. As a last resort we went and got Bart. He got a nose full of the good start of the blood, and walked right to the deer that we had walked by repeatedly. The deer was about 400yards from the hit location, and about 250 yards from the first bed.
The next trail was a doe that I watched go down. Good blood all the way. After number two, it was old news to him. From then on he was a trailing machine. When he got in the pick-up, he KNEW what we were doing. When I first got married in '94, my wife hated me going out tracking deer so much. In a small town, word gets around. I learned a TON about wounded deer because of that dog. I did not train Bart to follow wounded deer. He figured out it was what I wanted him to do, and he lived to get a treat, and some praise.
Daschounds have all the same traits of a Basset, except the "big, and rude, and stinky" part. The ones we have love to please, and figure out what it is they need to do so they DO please you.
Ours was a rescue of sorts, and we paid NOTHING for her.
You didn`t get to meet our dogs Bobby, because my wife had a party of sorts for about a dozen little girls the day you were at my house. They were all still in a bedroom, because the last girl to be picked up was terrified of ANY dog.
Ever heard the saying, "the more I learn about people, the more I like my dog"?
Good luck in your search Bob.
Wahtever dog you choose will have a great home with you, I`m sure. :thumbsup:
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The framed picture over my left shoulder is one my wife recieved as a gift, and it is Jesus, with a Daschound by his side, and one in his lap.
Really neat.
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Shaun
I heard you were going to Ohio to pick up the pup. If I remember correctly Enyo and Eris (Oskar's mother) are sisters, so Oskar and your pup would be cousins. Drop me a line if you want to stop in on your way through Indiana. If you come through on 74 you'd be about 1hr from the house if you come through on 70 you'll be 10 min away. You are welcome to stop in and get a home cooked meal. You might have to fight my wife to keep your pup, though!
Great news about another litter! Her dogs are something else.
Ryan
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I started my GSP on bloodtrailing when he was a pup......at 3 he amazed me by tracking down a coyote I shot last week. Yote was shot at 8 am and started tracking at 8pm. He has matured and slowed his tracking, the puppy excitement is almost gone and he knows the difference between play and work. He "went to work"!! I stopped him more than once to double check the trail as I thought for sure we were going in the wrong direction, but upon closer inspection found micro drops of blood each time. I couldn't have been a prouder dog owner! Haven't run him on any other blood trails this season, but will get pics up when we do as I have no doubt in his abilities.
GSP's are versatile dogs bread to hunt and track just about anything. Interesting read about their breeding. Gully is my 1st GSP, but deff won't be my last. Best breed by far for my family and my outdoor lifestyle.
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I have 2 beliefs on tracking dogs.
1. Some breeds are naturally better trackers than others
2. Any breed with a nose can be trained to track
Last year some unscrupulous person stole our bloodhound. Let me tell you that was one great dog. That being said. I will never have another. She was huge, could jump into the back of a truck with tailgate closed and not only was she fast but she could keep it up for a long ways. All of those atributes are not necessary for a traker. A smaller breed can be more managable. 2 beast trackers I have seen were a german shepard and a rat terrier. Another season and our Sadie would have surpassed those two.
Brag: was awakened about 11 one night last year. A guy that knows someone I know needed help finding a deer. It is almost mid ight when he picks us up and he shot before dark. We go to the 1st blood and off we go her pulling like a D-9 dozer (reason 1 for small breed) and doing that funny little whine she made.we stop at a deep creek and. Now she turns it on like only a blood hound can. Had you been outside you could have probably heard her. He said that he had allready been there looking and saw nothing. She had probably smelled a coon. Well she and I were both ofended so she bails off into this creek with my hand wrapped in her lead. 2 lessons learned here don't wrap lead Rround hand and big dogs will drown you in water. We did find the deer down ther and thankfull it was not still alive. The guywas pleased and even made $100 donation to her yearly upkeep. He came calling again this year when a friend of his needed help and was sad to learn she was gone. I think I will go and have a little cry now.
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Here is a picture of Chowder. This ain't your Grandmaw's Dachshund! He is 25 lbs. of pure fun & still a puppy, as he will actually turn 1 year old on 12/6! He is from the same bloodlines/breeder as Ryan's Oskar.
Chowder has done extremely well on the artificial tracks that I've laid using 10% deer blood and 90% water. Even though I have shot a couple of deer this year, unfortunately I didn't have Chowder along either trip. I've taken him on about 4 other trips. But me, nor my hunting buddies actually drew blood on these outings. So to date, he hasn't had his first real track, so I can't say for sure just how good he is.
With our season in full swing and going until Feb. here in AR, I am hopeful to put him to the test soon.
I looked at ALL the other breeds and possibilities and decided that the Teckle was the best choice for me. I did a lot of research on which breeder I wanted to go with and I am glad that I picked Sian Kwa from N.C.
He fits right in with our other 2 males (Poodle and Pug) but he is all business when I take him to the woods.
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Hey Bob - I have a eight week old Yo-Yo-Poo (3/4 Yorky, 1/4 poodle) pup for sale right now...8^)
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Beautiful dog(s) Buckster.
I see a couple beds in the background for them, but if they are like ours, they all pile on one.
I don`t know about the European Dachshunds, but the American ones sure do like to dig holes. I forgot to warn Bobby about this. My "Pumpkin" can dig a hole faster than a mini excavator built by John Deere. I don`t care much about a perfect yard, but you will twist an ankle in the hole that was not there just a few minutes before. She just can`t help it. She knows she is not supposed to, but...
One more thing, they kinda think they are a bit better than the other dogs. Smarter, stronger, faster kinda thing...and they ARE!
I`d like to see a picture of Oskar...all grown up. :D
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Bonebuster
We need to get some good current pics...all I have from this Fall were tracking for compound guys and I won't/can't post the wheelie bows here.
Here are a couple from this Spring. Yep, Dachshunds were REALLY "Born to Dig"!
"C'mon, Daddy, I KNOW that mouse is around here somewhere!"
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Checking out the Old Well. I have a stand hung about 10 yards from this spot just waiting for the late season travel between the bedding area and the cut corn field.
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Ryan
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The heart of a lion!!!
If those eyes don`t make you love him, his personality will I`m sure!
Thanks Ryan...he is a beauty! :thumbsup:
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My advice would be to get whatever breed you decide but get a pup.
I have two Brits. One I got as a pup, the second as a rescue. Libby was the pup. Training her was easy. She really trained me. I just call her back and am the person she brings the birds back to.
Beacon on the other hand has been difficult to train as I think he was possibly abused.
I plan on taking Libby out for some quail while I try out the longbow on them. I'm working on gettng her to bring back Flu-Flus now. I guess she thinks they're birds flying.
As sensitive as her nose is I would think Brits would be excellent trailing dogs, but, their energy would wear you out. She's three and still on turbo run.
If you do get a pup, also get a rescue as a companion dog. Libby and Beacon are almost inseprable.
You can gain alot of dog info at www.gundogforum.com (http://www.gundogforum.com)
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Jeff,
Thanks I am currently trying to make a mine bow out of the wood to test it out. A member on tradgang said that would be the best option. I am working on making it 34" long with a 2" long handle and 2" wide at the fade out going to a 1/4" tips. Pulling 25lbs at 13.5" this would be a true half size of the bow I want to try and make. I really have not choice to use the wood under the bark the middle is softer and the outer almost rock hard. The checks on the end are pretty bad. I hope that I will have a stick that is shaped like a bow tomorrow. I am trying to go slow that way if the wood does not hold I be fairly sure it is the wood and not me. I that case I will have a really nice smelling fire with the cedar.
No matter if it succeds or fails I will post the results here plus pics of the live and dead tree. You never know it maybe down under. If it work you might find a new local wood. If it fail someone might be able to identify why for me also.
thanks again,
Kelly
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I'm bringing this back up, as it's time to consider a pooch. Like to know all the people that were just getting started how well their dogs are progressing. Or if there's maybe any new members that would like to share their comments and experience.
I would like a dog that I can train to track, but can't imagine he'll go on more than a couple per year at best. Ultimately 95% of the time he would just be a pet, and anything else I can train him for.
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I need to add, whatever dog we get for lead to be hypoallergenic. Looking at the Wheaten Terrier or the Wheaten Terrier poodle cross. My understanding that they've been bred to be pets in that hunting dogs but part of me feels like there's got to be some Frey Drive left in the breed. I would really like to get a lagotto romagnolo. But so far the praetor's within driving distance haven't returned my calls oh, not to mention they may be a rich man's dog
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i got a Teckle from a breeder in the Carolinas.
She is a phenomenal NON "puppy mill" breeder who breeds the very best working dogs out there. she too is a bow hunter, and has placed some incredible dogs with many "pro-trackers"
The dog i got from her is one of the smartest, quickest learners and has one of the most developed prey drives i have ever seen in a hunting dog.
i have seen him track, and track and hold so many deer for folk over the years.
he tells me when there is bear in the area, and he will tell me when a deer is coming into the my call, so i can be ready.
i can call him off a running critter, and a schnozz par excellence!
the stories about his hunting and tracking prowess abound.
i have been running working dogs all my life, as did my mother and my grandfather before her. Cattle/ herding dogs, hunting dogs and guard dogs.
All the different breeds have idiosyncrasies, but this Teckle is one of the best i have had, in probably well over 30 dogs by now.
When i need another tracker, i will, without a moments hesitation, be contacting Sian Kwa again!!!!!
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I got a street mutt Pitt bull type and he does a pretty good job. But He lacks the drive that would be needed to make him great. If he doesn’t pick up scent in 10 minutes he just comes back to me and hangs out. Like someone mentioned previously, I think you can train any dog to track. But I don’t think you can train a dog to have drive. Whatever my next dog is, I’ll do my best to get one with passion. My dog, cane, has still been a huge asset and this is only his second season. Here’s a buck he ran down and bayed at almost a half mile that had been shot in the knee.
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Fujimo, Sian is Oskars mom, too :)
She just sent me a pic of one of Oskars daughters, and we have a pup coming when we are ready. Still just enjoying our dog, time will eventually come for getting the pup. Her dogs are something else.
Oskar is 11 years old now, still LOVES to track. Hes up in the 60's now for deer recoveries. We dont track with him for random folks anymore, we and he are too old for that...but I shoot one now and again to keep him in practice.
R
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Ryan, I know all about Oskar ( and you!)
Sian speaks very highly and fondly of both of you.👍👍❤️
I had trained many different dogs in different disciplines but never a tracking dog when I got my dog, Nexus.
Sian was incredibly helpful and instructive.
I learnt so much from her.
You are right? Her dogs are something else!
I really liked how she was so attentive in how she place matches the dog to the owner, her dogs are definately her priority,over everything else.
She cancelled my first dog, I had to wait about a year until she had the dog that best suited me.
I have a lot of respect for her!!
Mike, a lot can be done to increase the prey drive on a dog.
You are correct, it’s a lot easier when it’s just naturally there, but fortunately a lot can be instilled with some very simple training exercises.
But, it is a double edged sword, the greater the prey drive, the better the handle you have to have on the dog.
So many breeds are excellent, and I agree it’s all in the dog as an individual, it’s just easier whith some breeds.
Heck, I saw a video the other day of pugs working cattle😃😃😃
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[ You are not allowed to view attachments ] if this pup tracks as good as he sleeps, we'll be in good shape!
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Best one I have been around is a Jack Russel Rat Terrier cross named Bob, no quit in him at all he is on call all season when needed.
Does not hurt you can send him into a grain elevator as the rat exterminator, it is amazing how many he can kill in a short period of time.
Been around one Wheaton, not sure if it would track but is a great dog.
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Hey Shaun, ya out there? If so Hi... I still have Elsa, she's laying here beside me as I type...
I got my pup Elsa from Shawn in 2017, I believe her mother Graetche is out of the same bloodline as Ryan's Oskar...
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I have a Jack Russell, Zeke, that I am working with. He is a crazy nut, and smart as a whip. He does real well tracking some, and not so well on others. “We” are a work in progress. There is nothing cooler than seeing him work when he gets it right! I will probably never not own a JRT as long as I am alive and able to care for a dog!!!!! The only downside to this breed is they shed like crazy!!!!
Bisch
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Good stuff fellas.
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Zeke found 3 deer and a scimitar oryx today at the ranch I work at! He is having a ball, and getting a belly full of meat treats!!!!
Bisch
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My partner and his wife let me know this season that are giving me hi end bred beagle tracking pup for Christmas. She is 10 weeks old now.
What a wonderful gift...
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Congrats Friend.
For all the people who are really into tracking.... how often do you work your dogs training wise in the off season?
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"Look what I caught, Daddy!"
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Travelling to an out of state hunt.....
Oops..sideways :)
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This brat is Yogi. He is from Jeanenay’s kennel. He is a 4 year old wirehaired dachshund. We have 30+ recoveries under our belts so far. We (usually me) are still making some mistakes but are learning. He’s a pretty fair rabbit dog as well and we kill quite a few rabbits as well.
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Ryan, clever name for a dog. "Deer Lover" seems fitting
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Charlie :goldtooth:
To your questions....we worked with Oskar alot in the first couple years, and I was fortunate to get him in on a doe culling hunt when he was about 6 months old (with a couple of not great shooters) so he got to track and find around 12-14 deer by the time he was 1 yr old. Several gutshots, and a couple live finds, that really hits the "on" button! From 3-5 we did maybe a handful of training tracks a year. Since 5 we haven't trained much or at all. He doesn't need it at all. That said, the bloodline is exceptional, and Oskar was a natural, and my wife is a dog whisperer. We had Austrian and German breeders wanting us to fly him to Europe for breeding and he was the first Dachshund (teckel) in the United States to earn 1st place awards in both 20 hour and 40 hour DTK VSwP blood track testing.
If you get a dog, like you are talking, with less hunting bloodline it would likely take more "tuning" year to year. It's a big commitment, but if you are getting the dog anyway what do you have to lose to try? I would never recommend someone get a dog for tracking only... hes gotta be a pet 1st and foremost, the tracking is bonus.
R
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And.....zbone....Elsa's a cutie! You can see her mom in her. We love Graetcha (sp?), and your dog is her spitting image. Her mom is Oskars mom's sister. Sian Kwa builds REALLY NICE DOGS!
R
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Good to see Zeke is still at it Bisch. Looks like is is doing quite well.
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My Oz dog found his first deer at about 8 months old when my son hit one and we couldn't find a drop of blood. I took him back on the quad and it was a good thing he was on the leash because as soon as we got to where the deer was hit he bailed and was ready to go. It took him about 10 minutes to find that one. He has found a bunch of them since but at 13 years old his nose doesn't work as well as it once did besides my Grandson does a much better job of putting them down..
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Ole Hank is part of our group. He was just recently featured in North American Whitetail Magazine.
He is all business…a soon as he is unlocked from the kennel, he immediately communicates ‘don’t pet me and direct me to the crime scene’.
He is large muscled up bloodhound and the handler is a large guy. It is all he can do to hang on and being dragged through 7 foot briers that we couldn’t even navigate thru was where Hank was going. His amazing successes require absolutely no exaggeration. He has been on the farm several times. I cannot begin to keep up and can only dream of the days of yesteryears when I believe I could. Earlier that week, tracking a deer down by the Ohio River, he broke loose from the handler and took off swimming across the river. They had to find a river john to get them across. Hank had the deer down on the other side. The Ohio is no narrow river. Hank’s track is far too tough for me. I am going with a beagle.
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We import and raise German hunting dogs. Jagdterriers, Drahthaars and Teckels. They are all blessed with a good nose. The Teckels are the easiest to handle with a more calm demeanor and smaller size. The Drahthaars also easier to handle, very willing to do your bidding but can be a high energy dog and takes a stronger, steady hand in training. The Jagdterriers are a big dog in a small package. Some of them are wound tighter than an 8 day watch and want to track and kill anything with fur. The most laid back puppies in a litter seem to make better trackers. They are easier to keep on task and once you get them to focus on blood they are very good at it. I have been getting several photos of young dogs making their first successful tracking jobs this fall. These are mostly family dogs that get to track. We do also place these dogs with outfitters for tracking dogs, varmit control businesses, farm dogs and some find work sniffing drugs and contraband for the government. Working dogs need to have a good nose and need a high prey drive to stay motivated and the terriers have that in abundance. The dogs with the insane prey drive can be a handful for the unsuspecting or first time trainer, and there can be other issues in some of these dogs such as dog to dog aggression but those are not insurmountable problems with a well socialized dog. Any dog has the capacity to track, some are just naturally better at it than others.
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Thanks for the info Missouri.
My wife is getting another Chinese Crested. They are a terrier with a high prey drive initially used for ratting.
Our last ones were more driven by eyesight than nose but..... toward their senior years they could get on a fresh rabbit track and follow it perfectly to a log pile or wood shed.
I think the bigger issue early on was me. I'll work with the pup and see what we can do as a team. Worst case scenario we end up with a lap dog only and I get something else when ready.
Saturday will be the day we bring him home.
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Very interesting topic. How about tracking in the snow, have you guys with the dogs have any issues with any of the types of dogs regarding snow. We are think about getting a dog that will be a house pet and be able to track with the chance that there will be snow on the ground sometimes.
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We seem to do nearly all of our hog and deer tracking in the dusty dry conditions of West Texas or before we have snow in Iowa. I have been able to follow hoofprints in the snow and blood shows up prominently in the snow, have not had the need to use a tracking dog in snow for deer. That said these dogs will track down pheasants, cats and coons in the snow all day long, without blood. I doubt it would make much difference to the dog.
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Hey Larry, we have tracked in some very cold snowy conditions. "Warm" snow, up near freezing, is real easy, like wet ground. Very cold snow sometimes is tricky for the dog. I think more limited scent as it freezes hard. The only time I've had a real issue is with freezing rain over a blood trail on snow, then it got around zero. That blood froze in under the ice layer, you could see it, but it was like the dog couldn't smell it. Only happened one time in 11 years.
Now our short legged dog would have problems in really deep snow, but I'm short legged too!
Ryan
Ps..been a long time since Walter's and quadding out of the wildcat hills :)
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Nothing like those doxies for tracking. Molly is gone now. I learned a lot from her. She didn't know I was going to be so dumb! But we found some anyhow.
We stopped short few times when 10 more yards would have put us on a deer. And I didn't believe her a few times when she was taking me "the wrong way". The dog could communicate with her eye expressions. Their nose for blood and desire to stay on blood is second to none.
Guys who say "my dog will track anything" might re think that. The best dog for tracking wounded game only tracks one thing.
I would think the very best tracking dogs are owned buy people who prefer to blood trail over hunting. I can be hard work. And takes a commitment. Also good tracking dogs live live with you like a pet.
Tedd
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Very proud of Leroy. He found his first. Relatively easy trail but it was about 100 yards, he did good for being a toy breed. Took us right to it.
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Zeke can’t wait for Saturday morning to get here so he can track another deer!!! :laughing:
Bisch
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Mule Creek Oufitters, a Sponsor here, is also is in the dog tracking business. I've seen there dogs as I have hunted with them twice. Anyone ineterested should check them out...
Just click their banner up above. :campfire:
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Nothing like those doxies for tracking. Molly is gone now. I learned a lot from her. She didn't know I was going to be so dumb! But we found some anyhow.
We stopped short few times when 10 more yards would have put us on a deer. And I didn't believe her a few times when she was taking me "the wrong way". The dog could communicate with her eye expressions. Their nose for blood and desire to stay on blood is second to none.
Guys who say "my dog will track anything" might re think that. The best dog for tracking wounded game only tracks one thing.
I would think the very best tracking dogs are owned buy people who prefer to blood trail over hunting. I can be hard work. And takes a commitment. Also good tracking dogs live live with you like a pet.
Tedd
My condolences Mr Tedd
I had the pleasure of being part of a Wirehaired Dachshunds life as well. Best dog I ever owned. Lost her a few months ago. I sure miss her…..
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In sorry Corey