Those of you that use these heads do you use inserts or no?
I use them occasionally.
The Razorhead is good enough to use without them in my opinion.
Charles.
I don't use them, they seem to work fine without them. Bill
Nope not in 33 years.
They work fine with the bleeder if you that bleeder perfectly seated, they work without them as well.
Without for me. Do not like the idea of that bleeder
getting lost in the body cavity somewhere.
Good Hunting,
Craig
I have 6 unused Bear Razorheads, and the reason I don't use them is they are attached to my original Bear Archery Farbenglass arrows. The other 6 arrows have original field tips glued on them.
I dont, and never use the bleeders in mine. As monkeyball said that little blade could easily become detached and float around inside were my hands are, plus Im not so sure those little buggers would make, or break a deal.
I have an unopened pack of 6 from my childhood, sometime in the early '60's. There's some good stuff on the back written by Fred, including the statement that you should never use them without the bleeder blades. Fred was very good at marketing, too. Nobody else made a head like it at the time, so he made sure that folks thought that the bleeders were necessary.
Obviously thousands of dead animals prove otherwise.
I use them have some that have been thru multiple deer. They dont come off if you seat them iin the little slot correctly. Always figured an arrow could slip right past a big artery and they might make a difference.
I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a razorhead without one though.
Just got back from an all-trad hunt, and we had 2 guys shooting the old green Bear Razor head. Neither fellow had the inserts in and neither had ever used the bleeder inserts...although both had killed numerous deer with those particular razor heads. If 2 blade Magnus,zwickey,Ace,Hill and numerous other heads work 2 bladed...so will those Bear razors......John
no i dont use the inserts they are real cool heads i love em :clapper:
I use them. Like the idea of the extra cutting provided.
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I have done both, but normaly go without the bleeder. There all I shoot unless I am shoting knapped heads.
I got one that I keep the words lucky wrote in sharpie on it. It went through it's 6th white tail last week!
don't use them. they put the brakes on the arrow upon impact.
i have used them both ways with good success .i think the bleeder if i remember in one of fred bears videos says it releases tension on the head so it will penatrate better .
sharpen them with a file so you leave a burr. you need the burr to cut with as the steel is soft.
i have used them with success both ways
Not me, when I get the burr,the burr goes. Two or three feather light strokes with the file after that and the head is picking hairs off my hand.
Good Hunting,
Craig
i have used them both ways with good success .i remember in one of fred bears video he said that the bleeder was added to help releive skin tension when the animal was he with a broadhead .he said the skin was tight over the body .
QuoteOriginally posted by Cottonwood:
I have 6 unused Bear Razorheads, and the reason I don't use them is they are attached to my original Bear Archery Farbenglass arrows. The other 6 arrows have original field tips glued on them.
Do they look like this? (http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab54/damascusdave_2009/IMG_0126.jpg)
i have used these head both ways with success. in one of fred bears videos he explained how the bleeder helps to releive skin tension on an animal.
that is why he said use them .as an animal skin is stretched tight over it vitals .
Somebody check on Joe,I think he fell asleep with his finger on the add reply key>>>>>>
I don't use them and i am out of bear razor heads. When i had them i didn't like them. Don't care what Fred said, i had the little bleeder blades twist funny when they hit bone. Also i was never able to get them shaving sharp. Just in case you ever wondered, it takes a rockwell hardness of 55 to be considered "razor" hard steel. Every bear Razor head i ever tested was 52-53. And i tested a bunch of them. However having said that i never had a complaint with old green Bear Razor heads. I have never reused a broad head. i keep the arrow as a suvenoir. Pardon the spelling.
If you can file the head, it's not hard steel. Leave the burr on it. Kip knows what he's talkin about. I never had any trouble with the bear razor head. But I leave the burr on it. (I might have mentioned that.)
I use the bleeders, I also hone and strop the heads,(no burr) they shave like a scalpel. I have only shot a bear with them so far, it did not slow down until it was sticking in the ground on the other side.
For deer-sized game and smaller, I use the inserts. If I ever chase elk again, the insert won't be used.
if you can file the heads does not mean they are not hard . a lot of it depends on how they are drawn back from there original hardness . now i have checked a lot of heads on a rockwell C scale and have foud thre bear to be a lot softer than say a zwickey or magnus i think they were drawn back so they were easily sharpened . i foud the brinell scale to be more accurate than the rockwell the bear razorhead is not the as tough as the zwickey etc if you try to file a peice of tool steel in the low 50 s your file will be worn out very quickly .do not forget hardness and toughness are both needed in a head not just hard to hold an edge
I don't know a Rockwell from a water well, but I know that I can put a good, sharp edge on my old Bear heads and that they have killed every animal I have shot with them. I'll keep using them untill I can't get them any more. I typically do use the bleeder blades, but I wouldn't have any trouble not using them. Mainly, it helps me match the weight just right, but I dunno how much they help or hinder cutting. On these Arkansas deer, I haven't had an arrow fail to pass all the way through yet. Several critters. I've not tried any large large game such as bear or moose or anything like that, but they are fine for here.
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I've used the old Green Razorheads for years without the bleeder. I could never get the bleeders to fit properly out of the package. They always had to be doctored in one way or the other. Never had a problem sharpening them. Even buit a simple tool to hold the bleeder while sharpening. Love the Razorheads just didn't like the bleeders. To each his own.
i use them. i figure 4 blades are better than 2. i shoot a 53# longbow, and have shot through every animal i've shot. they leave great blood trails too.
I seem to get better blood trails with the inserts, but I've gotten every animal I've shot at with them; with or without the insert. Seems to be a great shooting head, and no problems here getting them sharp.
Dave
I've always used the bleeders and they have worked well , I shot one buck though both scalpulas and the bleeder was still in the head, xtra cutting and just as good penetration...Tim
you are correct in what you are saying . all the techno talk is about is just that techno talk .those heads are fine .for most anything you hunt .they are very easy to sharpen because they are a bit softer than other heads that simply is it in the nutshell rockwell is way of measuring how hard somthing is by a standard using a diamond with a certain amount of weight. c scale is for tool steel which cutting broadheads are .now with being said fred had the right idea he wanted a head that could be sharpenrd quickly in the field and still hold an edge cut bone and hear and meat and arterys etc .i think whatever we use keep em sharp and they will do just fine.either way bleeder or no bleeder .
hvac tech, being a tool and die maker for 32+ years, I could bore you for hours on metalurgy, molecular structure of various steel etc. Techno talk that I need a break from. But I see what you are talking about. Those heads are as hard as can be and still be able to sharpen with a file as the file is harder than the head. As far as killing ability goes, I never had to track a deer more than 40 yards after being shot with the bear razor head.
I love them! Send me all the bleeders you guys don't use :-)
Wicked on deer!
kill shot a big ten four no doubt we are on the same page . before loosing my job to china i was a tool and die builder my self .for 28 plus years so the whole thing is the head does what fred bear wanted .this is good conversation though it keeps guys thinking and learning .about there equipment i also read were fred used zwickeys before he made his own . i checked several razorheads and i never found any to be more than the low 40 s i am now using magnus which are low 50s .the point i was making just because you can file the head does not mean they are not hard enough to hunt with or they are to soft .
ALWAYS !
I used Bear Razorheads for many years, mostly without the blades. HOwever, today if I wanted to shoot this style head I'd use the Magnus Stinger with just 2 blades. I'm using a single bevel Helix instead this season though. I also like the Silver Flames by Alaskan Bowhunter Supply -- I bought some of the 50% discounted factory trial heads a few weeks ago. The head is super looking and I'll try them someday.
Use them.