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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Bill Carlsen on November 10, 2010, 06:38:00 PM
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This guy was about 5 yards in front of my Double Bull when the camera caught him. I couldn't figure out why there had been no activity at my wife's stand or my blind from the previous visit. When I downloaded the pics on my computer he had been at all of our stands and no deer sign anywhere for now on our property.
He is not what I wanted to see but I thought it was a good pic.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/Arrowworks/DBCoyote.jpg)
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Gee Bill, maybe you shouldn't have fixed your camera? :banghead: :rolleyes:
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Pretty yote.
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Bill:
The arrows stink to high heavens after they go through one but the SATISFACTION level is extream..... kill that dog, (carfully, that a good lookin pelt)
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Around here it is more about the guys who run deer with dogs. I just can't fathom why anyone would want to ruin their venison like that.
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I see a bright red spot on the side of that dog. Time to put him in the dirt and get back to deer hunting.
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yeah, I came upon some yote tracks today, following in the tracks of what looks to be a pretty nice buck. Whenever the opportunity arises, we shoot those demons.
Pete
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too bad, bill. I would say get rid of him because he looks very healthy and he got that way by eatin' venison! just got back from the UP in Michigan and we seen way less deer than in the past and that's cause of the 'yotes! shoot straight!
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!!!!Thwack!!!! Is all I can hear! Take him out Bill.
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I have them on my trail cameras in two places I hunt. Also have a neighbor's shepherd way deep in our farm property at 9:30 at night a couple times. I would like to do something about that dog, but given the neighbor is a sheriff's deputy I don't think I will get very far just like we didn't get far getting her kid to stop hunting over my dad's garden 50' from our shop when we have a 400' safety zone law.
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Wow that is some great lookin fur on that dog! I think they still are workin on their winter coats around here . . .
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That's a nice backquiver waiting to happen!
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Bill,
Thats a better problem then mine , I'm the only bowhunter in area that is surrounded by duck hunters. Please no more quakes!
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Just a coyote, right?
That's a really good picture.
OkKeith
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Great Pic! KYArcher
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You had to know they were around...no?
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Sat a hot stand on my buddies property in Michigans Upper Peninsula a few years back. I took a nice doe out of that stand but she was one of only a few deer that I saw out of several days on stand. He called me a few weeks latter and told me they found an occupied bear den about 40 yards from the tree I was in. He was sure that's why all the deer were avoiding that area.
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That battery life problem OK now? Pic quality is first class.
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Thats a really healthy looking yote...he's borderline chunky.
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Is that another critter eating corn...looks like a coon with his back to the camera...can't really tell..anybody else see it..
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I was expecting to see a wolf as I slowly scrolled down while reading your post...coyotes are bad but a wolf is a whole different critter when it comes to seeing NO Game.... Can't even shoot them :thumbsup:
Gene :coffee:
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Thats a nice one . He has some gray on his face ,He's going to be hard to get. Good luck . Great quiver there . Get him.
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A coyote doesn`t get to looking that good by eating mice and picking bones.
He knows what to do, and how to do it, on a regular basis. He is teaching others how to do it and what to do, and coyotes learn fast. He himself was taught well, as OBVIOUSLY his days are not spent in hiding with an empty belly.
He will go about thirty five pounds, and if he were the "old school" coyote a full grown deer would see him as not much of a threat. The problem is the "new school" coyotes have learned that a couple more thirty five pound hunting partners put them over 100 lbs combined...and now they ARE indeed a threat. I used to hear biologists say coyotes don`t hunt as a pack, but I don`t hear that anymore.
Nightime hunting (if it is legal) and traps. Get out after him, or them, as I`m sure he is not alone. (They do not look that good when they live alone.) In case your interested, I have seen coyotes pick undigested corn out of cow manure. I watched them through binoculars because I could not shoot in the direction he (they) were, and walked up afterwards to see what they were doing. I have no doubt, you will start finding scat containing your corn meant for the deer.
They are a supreme challenge with whatever method you use to kill them.
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Kill him, I hate coyotes......Bluegrass, I think I see what you mean, almost looks like a porcupine.....
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I also hunt in SE Michigan. It seems like the first few weeks of the season I was seeing deer, but not like in past years. In the last 2 weeks I have only seen one deer and have started to see more and more yotes...probably 2-3 each hunt.
Now, I am assuming that the yotes have been there all along, but it is one of the only reasons that I can think of that the deer have gone.
In the past I have seen yotes within 20yds from deer and they just stood and watched as the deer passed. I guess I never thought of them as a real threat to the deer...at least the healthy ones anyway.
Maybe the deer numbers are just down in my area??
Anyone else having the same problem?
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You now have two worthy types of trophies to pursue. Taking yotes can be exillerating, rewarding and beneficial. For me, the mind set aspect during the shot execution for drawing on a deer for harvest vs. drawing on yote to rid my hunting area of is completely different.
Be prepared, stay alert and be sure to take your 1st shot opportunity.
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Terrific picture! Thanks for sharing, and I hope your deer come back.
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Looks like some one needs to be trapping their properties.
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Time for some nightime maneuvers!
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I had a strange encounter with another one last evening. I noticed some turkey coming my way. Then about 60 yards out one of them began putting. I wasn't moving and was hidden behind a bid cedar. No way they saw me. She walked around putting but none of them ran off which is strange if they saw me somehow right? Well after about 5 minutes of this I catch movement off to my left. Its a coyote. It walks into the group of birds and I mean right amongst them. They are all putting and walking around at that point but they don't fly off which I have never seen before. The dog just walked through them as he knew I suppose if he made a quick move at them they would all fly off. He then was out of site but I heard this happen another time or two down through the woods. He must have just been shadowing the flock waiting for his opportunity.
I am not off subject here as my point to this drawn out reply is I didn't see a single deer (other than a dumb button buck) the entire sit. Which is very odd for my ground. I suppose the deer knew what was going on and who was in the neighborhood.
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My son and I were hunting this past saturday afternoon on my brother's farm, which most of the time is covered with deer running everywhere. However we never saw a deer, but as we were leaving at dark, we began to hear the coyotes having a party it seemed. Possibly the reason for not seeing any that particular day.
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Bill, I have never had a coyote scare deer from my stands. I even have a trail cam picture of a yote taking a leak and another picture of a deer smelling the bush that wore the coyotes best an hour later.
I also saw a yote last week on stand and then had a deer walk through the same path a 1/2 hour later. Admittedly the deer didn't like the smell, but it chose to simply mill in another direction vs. blowing out of there.
Maybe it is something else...one thing that would concern me is too much use of one stand location especially if I was checking trail cams in the same spot. I am not gonna say that is it as it could be many things, but I would not blame it on yotes. If yotes were to blame I would never see a deer as there are too many of them. IMO.
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Bill,
Have you NEVER had coyotes in your area before?
We've had them in constantly growing numbers in SC for over 15 years- I see deer every day- and hear coyote packs yodeling every night.
I don't think that's the reason you're seeing no deer...there has to be some other reason.
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It-em, great minds think alike!!!
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Yes, Ray, we do have them. When I shot my moose a few years ago there was a pack about 100 yards away howling their brains out. I stripped off my longjohns and left them on the carcass until the next day and the yotes never bothered the carcass.
I posted this pic because when I went to check my wife's stand there was an absence of deer sign and none at my stand as well. That has never happened before. So when I got home and uploaded the camera cards I had the answer. On the camera at Laura's stand the coyote is actually trying to grab a couple of racoons. Her camera is infra red and the pic quality is not as good so I did not post those. The one I did post I thought was just a super pic.
Literally 10 minute ago I downloded this pic from 9 AM this morning...another really nice one, to me. And on the camera card our deer are back feeding as usual...just when we are not there...again, as usual. Things are back to normal.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/Arrowworks/Foxes.jpg)
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I see a NICE hat or back quiver there.
Go find him.
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Great pictures.
"Dirt Nap!!!"... is all I can say.
If I had a deer and coyote at my stand at the same time, I will always take the coyote. The deer will not feed on other deer and wild game that I enjoy hunting. The way I see it, they are in direct competition with me and I'm going to win....besides, hunting them is way fun too.
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Perhaps eventually we will mature enough as hunters and stewards of the game we seek to realize that predators are just another natural part of the matrix, and are not the scourges of nature that some believe. Coyotes and deer coexist throughout the country, and don't run deer out of the area. They don't kill all the rabbits and quail either. The vast majority of their diet is rodents, not bigger game. Sure they're opportunistic and will take what they can to fill their bellies, but deer are many times larger and very dangerous game for a coyote. Survival comes first, and any injury while trying to kill a deer would doom the coyote. They know that.
I'll kill one if I get the chance, but not because they hurt game populations.
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I agree with a lot of what Stokes said, Coyotes have been eating deer and antelope for 10,000 years and we still have plenty of both, sometimes the predator population gets out of control and we can do something about that, and we should.
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I say shoottem shoottemm.
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Coyotes are a new predator in many areas of the country. By "new" I mean just the past few decades. Very few coyotes caught in traps in my area until the mid-eighties. Red and Grey fox were common. Now coyotes rule, and fox are few.
Suburban Detroit has coyotes. Sightings are now very common...BIG ones too. I know of several that were caught in snares within a few miles of my house that topped fifty pounds.(I live in the N.E. lower) I have killed three, approaching fifty pounds myself, over the span of ten years.
Anywhere I hunt, and or scout, at ALL times of the year, coyote scat contains deer hair ALL of the time. In SOME areas the coyote may not be a major predator of deer...but in SOME areas a hunter is kidding himself if he thinks they are not. In all areas, I think it is safe to say, fawns are a major food source in spring.
I have seen coyotes interact with deer, and the deer are ALWAYS on alert. The deer ALWAYS leave the immediate area. I have seen with my own eyes a coyote chasing a full grown, healthy deer...twice. I have had state biologists tell me coyotes DO NOT chase healthy deer.
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I think Dons on to something. I have a stand that I have sat twice in the last week. I have seen two different coyotes and 9 different deer.
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Coyotes eat road kill. Plenty of venison available that they don't have to risk their lives to kill.
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What I would really like to see is the yotes take out a large bunch of raccoons. We have way too many of them in my area and rabies are a local problem.
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I Love coyote's, they taste just like chicken!! Just kiddin'. Down here in Bama we have about as many coyotes as deer. They hunt fawns mainly and are DEATH on turkeys. I don't believe you can ever kill too many. Nice Pic'. I'd move my setup.
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All the areas that I hunt have coyotes. I have even killed 5 over the years but it never seem to effect the deer sightings.
I saw a strange thing in Missouri late bow season in Jan. As I was still hunting back to the vehicle late morning I spotted 4 bucks together and within 15 yds to the side was 2 coyotes walking with them. Once in a while one of the bucks would walk over toward the coyotes and stare at them. Then they would all start walking again. I watched this for a good 10 minutes before they moved out of sight. Never did figure that one out.
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We eventually had coyotes in Maine where I had hunted for years and there was no impact on the number or the quality of the deer that we could ever see.
I saw a coyote when elk hunting this fall. Thats why I didn't get one! ;0)
Joshua