Have a TD BW 62 51/28. Have played around with various brace heights and nock heights and it's noisy. I have wrapped the strings at the loops?? I was looking for any suggestions. My Zippers are way more quiet?? Has anyone used limbsavers?? Open to any and all suggestions.
Thanks!!!
Lots of things you can try. I haven't used Limbsavers yet, but I have a couple of customers who swear by them. Here are some ideas
2 pair of silencer, set at 1/3 and 1/4 of the string length
Strap on or slide on bow quiver
Heavier arrows
Which silencers are you using? With all the choices, it wouldn't cost much to try something different. Cat whiskers, beaver fur, woolie whispers, and lamb's wool are a few of my favorites.
Good luck.
The single best thing that I did was switch to a B50 Dacron string with wool silencers at the 1/3 and 1/4 ans wrap the ends.
You have to change the standard D97 string with a skinny string:D97-D10-8125-TS1.Many sponsors here make dream string.More performances and much less noise,with out using a Dacron....
Then..... you can make all the other things,but you really need to replace the factory string.
my wodw likes about a 9" brace,how much do your arrows weigh?
I use limbsavers at the fade outs and I think it helps to put string wax on the take down pins and on the face of the riser where the limbs touch.
Skinny string and 4 silencers=silence.
Limbsavers at the fades, brace at least 8 3/4 or more,arrow over 10 grains per lb of bow weight. I am able to get my widows as quite as any bow in my rack (sometime more quite than some). I have always replaced the string. Not a big fan of the skinny strings, but a well made string from one of our sponsors will help, as it will on most bows. I do not have to put bow hush on mine, but might help. I only use one set of string silencers. I do not use the ones from widow, but use wool puffs. Make sure you have the nock at the right height and are not getting arrow slap.
10 grains per pound of bow draw weight...on my black douglas hex4 ...hardley any thing on string 14 strand...that stuff on string robs performance...try more arrow weight ...9 grains 2 sets of silencers or hardley any thing..on string with 10 grains or more..close to same arrow speed...
You know, I have heard this about Widows over and over... You would think that since they have been making bows since aprox 1955 they would have figured it out.. I have owned 6-7 in the past and never been able to figure out all of the Hype about them [ they have all been passed on down the line ]
I do not think anyone should have to do anymore to quiet up a high dollar Custom beyond string silencers and finding the "sweet spot" as far as brace height...and proper wt arrows. :wavey:
Get a new bow...oh course I always want an excuse for a new bow ;)
I have to agree w/ Gene, I've shot a few widows they were all louder than my custom bows [ Kota,Great Northern,Javaman ], for the money they should be much quiter. They are pretty bows and dead in the hand just to loud for me. Todd
I know this sounds strange but I kept raising the brace height on mine and it didnt help. Went back the the starting brace height and lowered it some and that helped.
I like an 8 strand Atroflight or ultra cam string with padded loops and 2 pair of small wool puffs or bowhush wool puffs.brace height about 9 inches.
My arrows were about 600 grains and bow was 52#s at 30 inch draw
My last couple widows shot quiet setup like this.Way better than the stock string IMO.
I like Astroflight alot!!!!
To each his own, but TBM did a string silencer test several years ago and found that limb savers were significantly more effective at dampening sound when mounted out toward the limb tips rather than at the fades. That sounds intuitive, as that's where the movement and vibration occurs. I know adding mass to limb tips is blasphemy to those that worry about every ounce of silencer weight, but they checked this too and speed loss was about 1 fps. I know that I'm not going to argue with folks equipped with decibel meters and chronographs, as I own neither. If you try this, just leave about 1" gap to the string at brace height or it will hit and eventually break off from the adhesive backing. That much I know from personal experience and a call to SIMS labs. Removing them has never damaged my limb finish, but that could depend on the bow.
10 strand D10 from SBD strings with wool puffs and wraps did it for my PCH and it was way LOUD. Now it is as quiet as any of my bows.
Keep the suggestions comings
Change the serving.Use Crown serving .26 dia.Rubber silencers about 12'' down from the tips.Also,start w/ just the bow.No quiver!Process of elimanation is always best.
Dumb question...what are fadeouts, is that where the the string notching is neat the top of the limbs??? I should know this, but I don't???
I use both a original BW string and a SBD string on my PMA.
I just measure the string-length from contact point to contact point(where the string meets the limb) and divide that length by 4. (if it`s still noisy divide by 3)
Then I mark the string at this point and split the string and put ins some Hush Puppies.
BTW my brace height is about 8 3/4"
I shoot 750 grains arrows and my BW is really silent :)
my 2c.
Margly
QuoteOriginally posted by Danny Rowan:
10 strand D10 from SBD strings with wool puffs and wraps did it for my PCH and it was way LOUD. Now it is as quiet as any of my bows.
Pretty much what my brother did to his and it was quiet.
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This thread may just help you mate....
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=056415
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9" brace ht., 4 wool yarn puffs, 600 gr arrow shooting 53#, 14 strand D97 string. the one thing that made the most difference was putting loop velco in the string grooves.
more than i like to have to do but my widows are as quiet as any recurve i have had.
Flemish twist string, moleskin on limbs where the string hits, bow quiver, higher brace height, and finnally, heavier arrows. Do all this and it will still probably be noiseier than most, at least mine is. The price you pay for speed.
If you spend a little time with a Widow, it can be made very quite. As quite as bows some call "custom". By the by, I concider Widows custom. I pick the woods, the grip, the length, the weigh. You do pick up the best customer service in the business. Some are as good, none better. The most shootable, reliable hunting traditional bow going - in my humble, but experienced opinion. And you don't have to wait 18 months on a bow. :wavey:
I personally would not add the limbsavers out toward the limb tips.It will add vibration to the bow limb and the bow wont shoot as sweet in my experience playing around with them.
You probably dont need them anyway.I would try them above the fadeouts a bit if you do.A couple inches.The fadeouts are where the limb wedges at the base of limb gradually taper and fadeaway into the limb laminations Djanko.
Whether its a D-10 or astroflight or ultra cam skinny string.I think thats your best bet in silencing your bow.I have great results with Astroflight so I am not changing that.All my bows shoot it very well,pleasantly and quietly.I have tried all the other types of string materials quite a bit.Except D-10.That very well may be similar to Astroflight?I know I prefer the Astroflight on almost any bow I have on my rack.Its made by Brownell and a fairly recent addition to thier offerings.A kind man offered to build me strings from it to test.So I did ofcourse and was and am still very happy with it.
Combine that string choice with some of these other factors suggested and I think you will be well on your way to having a quieter shooting widow.I have had alot of widows and am a firm believer in how I currantly set the ones up I have bought recently.It works!
Oh yeah, yarn puffs for string silencers.
my black widows have all been quiet as a recurve can get.bowhush and hushpuppies and wax in a couple spots.my psax osage was very very quiet for a recurve.bout as quiet as any longbow.