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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Bowwild on September 16, 2010, 08:49:00 PM
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Another thread caused me to contemplate my life's dream, hunting bighorn sheep. Of course I'm not unique in this regard, I imagine this is a crowded dream!
I'm planning to (finally) start applying for a Bighorn tag next year. From what I can see it appears Montana may be the best bet for someone my age because a few of their tags go to people purely at random, regardless of how many preference or bonus points you have (I figure I'd better draw in 10-15 years or forget it).
Have any of you or do you know someone who drew such a tag in less than 5 years?
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There have been a few here that have drawn. I hope they chime in. I was applying in several states hoping to draw before I lost the dream or just got too old. The $1,000 a year I was throwing away in application fees not to mention the $10,000 or so in upfront money that was required in all the states for license and tags in order to apply just kind of took the fun out of it. I no longer have the desire.
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There are many, MANY residents of Montana that have been applying for Bighorn Sheep for over 40 years. There is no way to guarantee drawing a tag in a decent unit ever, much less 5 years, resident or non in any state. You are 15 or 16 PREFERENCE points behind in Wyoming for instance.
With that said, you can draw a bighorn sheep tag, but you have to suck it up and realize the odds are long and apply in every state where tags are available and hope for the best.
Then, even when you beat the odds, draw a tag, and give it your all, you may end up with an unpunched tag but a lifetime of memories like this:
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=049593
If you just want the experience, you will have a lot better odds putting in for a ewe tag in the states that offer them.
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Took me 18 years as a WY res. That is not a bad wait. I know guys that have tried longer and still haven't got drawn.
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I used a camera in Colorado and it didn't cost me all that much. I figured that was as close as I was ever going to get and that over twenty years ago. It is easy to get disappointed and broke trying for the tag.
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Odds of drawing a ram tag in most Montana units is roughly 1 in a hundred.Some units it is 1 in two hundred.Most people have 9 bonus points by now so their names are in the hat 9 times.It is still a random drawing though.Probably 3/4ths of the units don't give tags to non-residents because there are just a handful of tags.
A lot of people from all over the country play the application game.It is a tough one.
I have put in for sheep,goat and moose for 15 years and did draw a moose tag last year.That's it.We have lost several sheep units to disease so everyone will be applying for less opportunities now.Odds get worse every year.Still,you have to play to win.
You can go to Montana's website to check on statistics.People do draw tags the first year and some don't get one in 40.
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Thanks guys. I know the odds are very long. They'll be a bit longer even because I won't be able to tie up lots of application fees at a time. So, I'll pick 1-2 states and put in. It will be exciting (for a year or two I imagine) just to have my name in the hat. I'll have to stay away from states where preference point levels are the only determining factor.
It is too cool that some of you have drawn or are getting very close to drawing.
I thought about hunting in one of the no-draw units in Montana about 5 years ago (above Big Sky). But I figured I'd no sooner get to the area where sheep are before the 1 or 2 tags were filled by rifles.
I do have a beautiful stone sheep Rinehart target on the 3-D range I put up in the woods and rocks behind my house. My wife told me to cut him off at the shoulders and hang it above the fireplace!
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You could get lucky. My brother drew in South Dakota after only 3 years, pure luck. Odds were something like 1:2000. Could happen to you, or me, or anyone else! Can't win if you don't play!
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"I thought about hunting in one of the no-draw units in Montana about 5 years ago (above Big Sky). But I figured I'd no sooner get to the area where sheep are before the 1 or 2 tags were filled by rifles."
There is a 10 day bow season before the gun season opens.
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You can't draw unless you apply.......so you might as well start....ya never know.
I started applying when I lived in Colorado. Applied in MT as well. After about 10 years, I just gave up, figuring that it would be another 5 to 10 years before I drew. Once I moved away from CO, the amount of money to lay out every year for those two states got a bit out of hand.
Like Larry, I did quite a bit of stalking in one of CO's better archery-only units with a camera back in the 80s. I got a lot of satisfaction out of it.......but it's not quite the same.
Best of luck to you........start getting those preference points built up (or hit powerball!).
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a friend just drew this year in Idaho. Took him 20yrs , last week killed a nice ram. Good luck
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So how is it Fred Eichler, Rick Duggen, Chuck Adams...etc and all the other well known "super slam" type folks seem to be able to beat the odds and draw a tag?
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I have been putting in since 1991, I put in every year thinking this might be the year, not yet.
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Originally posted by Burnsie:
So how is it Fred Eichler, Rick Duggen and all these other well known "super slam" type folks seem to be able to beat the odds and draw a tag?
Excellent question...... :dunno:
Winterhawk1960
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not only just bighorn , but all the sub- species also.
How did they get drawn for all those? Doesn't seem possible to me.
Not in one lifetime.
Congrats to them, but just seems odd.
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I think Fred drew a bighorn ewe tag, much easier as said earlier. The other three sheep hunts can be bought. I don't know about the other guys, but some guys have a lot of luck. I have one friend in UT draw the first RM Bighorn tag offered here, then draw a desert tag because we was able to keep at the max points and eventually draw. You definitley have to play the game if you even want a chance.
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Yep, one guy tries for 40 years and loses his dream and another wakes up one day and says "I think I'll go sheep hunting this year" and the next thing you know he's on top of the world. Go figure.
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Regarding the "celebs" who get tags. I certainly don't know any of their situations. They could have gotten lucky or they could have acquired (sponsors, etc.) Governor or Commission tags. They could have bought tags in auctions, etc.
Having retired from a Wildlife Agency career I'm pretty certain there are no shanigans going on. It would be the highest of foolishness for an agency to destroy public confidence for the agency by subverting the drawing process.
I remember about 15 years ago a high level politico asked me for special attention during the drawing for a quota deer permit. I told I couldn't and wouldn't do it. I advised if I were made to do it I would be asked if we ever "cheated". I told the politico I wouldn't lie for him - I would give the truth with names, etc. if asked. He declined to apply for the hunt.
In fact, even though there was no law against it, I refused to even apply for a KY Elk permit until after I retired in 2007. I didn't want anyone thinking me dishonest if had drawn one. Ironic as I was the director of that restoration effort. I've applied every year since -- I figure 51 more years and I'll draw a KY elk tag!
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I may be wrong but I think you can get a tag in Canada (BC, Alberta) for a Bighorn easier than stateside. Cost of the hunt is more though.
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Rick Duggan hunted for 7 years straight as a Colorado resident when the tags were over the counter. Nobody wanted to go thru all the effort to hunt the sheep back then.
I do not believe there has ever been a legally taken sheep by bow in the MT unlimited units. They are VERY tough units.
It is too bad jealous people have to run down guys that have worked extremely hard to make a good living and afford to do the things they love.
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Originally posted by Robert Honaker:
not only just bighorn , but all the sub- species also.
How did they get drawn for all those? Doesn't seem possible to me.
Not in one lifetime.
Congrats to them, but just seems odd.
The two "Draw" hunts are Desert Bighorn and Rocky Mountain Big Horn. The three Thin Horn hunts are pay hunts.....
Having said that you can buy both Big Horn hunts. Desert in Mexico and Rocky Mountain in Alberta. Both are gun or bow.
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Originally posted by sunny hill archer:
Originally posted by Robert Honaker:
not only just bighorn , but all the sub- species also.
How did they get drawn for all those? Doesn't seem possible to me.
Not in one lifetime.
Congrats to them, but just seems odd.
The two "Draw" hunts are Desert Bighorn and Rocky Mountain Big Horn. The three Thin Horn hunts are pay hunts.....
Having said that you can buy both Big Horn hunts. Desert in Mexico and Rocky Mountain in Alberta. Both are gun or bow. [/b]
Thanks, Sunny Hill, that answers a lot of my questions. It's not all about luck (although some is needed) seems to be more about what you can afford. More power to the ones that can make it happen.
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Thanks fellows. One of you even sent me an e-mail with some local information and I really appreciate it. I'm a little familiar with the Canmore (Sp?) area in Alberta. I recall also a tag can be obtained there spending more money than time. Last I looked I think it was about a $17,500 hunt. My brother lives in Alberta but he doesn't hunt a lick! Of course as others have written, a thin horn Stone or Dalls doesn't require the lottery angle.
I would imagine, if a person drew a Montana tag hiring a guide for this once in a lifetimme proposition would be a wise investment? If so, I would imagine that would cost $10K or so? Of course I would be able to make 2-3 trips to the mountains to scout if regulations allowed me to hunt without a guide.
Sheesh, I should have been having this conversation 15 years ago! But the kids were in High School then, college on the way, just had made the 14th move in my career....
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Bowild,
Most of the guided sheep hunts in the lower 48 are around half your figure. The hard part is drawing the tag.
The thing to remember about the Governor's tags is they provide most of the money for the sheep research and habitat improvements for the various game department. There are a small set number of sheep tags. Taking one or two to auction off or sell to the highest bidder does much, much more good than harm. The money from these Gov. tags along with funding from places like the Wild Sheep Foundation have provided 100 fold tags to the one or two taken away from the average Joe like you and I. This is done by expanding the sheep range and population, enhancing the habitat of said range, and help eliminate threats to wild sheep like predators, disease, and domestic sheep.
You have a lot of research to do and decisions to make. I've been passionate about hunting sheep for almost two decades, so if you have any specific questions, please PM me and I will be happy to help.
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Thanks Steve O.
I support the concept of Gov. tags whole-heartedly. $300,000 for a sheept tag goes a long way towards taking care of these animals and their habitats. Kentucky issues about 10 Commmissioner tags for elk each year which raise lots of money for elk management.
In fact, I'll probably be alerting everyone here in a few weeks about an opportunity to draw one of those elk tags that was issued to the National Archery in the Schools Program for fund-raising. Our state record is broken almost every year! It takes a BC bull to break it now.
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I drew a big horn tag my first try back in 1977. Back then the state of Washington seperated the draw for archers from gun hunters and your odds were much better. I hunted 10 days, saw lots of rams, and unfortunately missed my only shot, over his back, on a very BIG ram. It was not a once in a life time draw like it is now, and now all user groups are lumped together so the draw for an archer is so much more difficult than when I was drawn.
A friend of mine drew a Montana tag a few years back and hired a local guy to help scout and pack gear, it did not cost him that much, not like paying an outfitter. He hunted 10 days or more and eventually shot a full curl, but with a rifle. After many unsuccessful stalks with his bow he did not want to go home empty handed since it was once in a life time. He had it mounted full size. My buddy is one tough hunter but he said the area he hunted was by far his hardest hunt ever. He shot his ram 11 miles from a road and he said every thing was straight up or down. Sorry I do not know the name of the area.