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Title: Dry fired my bow........$%#@$%
Post by: LongStick64 on September 10, 2010, 10:47:00 PM
Never going to use Alaskan Bowhunting Grizzlystik arrows again. I was shooting my priced bow a Rose Oak B riser with Yew veneer limbs, very very sweet bow, very nice on the eyes. Bow shoots lasers, she is super quick. So I decided to use the Grizzlystik arrows for more weight. The shooting was going well until......BAM........What the.......CR#$. The arrow nocks split in two, right where they meet the shaft. Never ever had that happen with any other shaft. Doesn't look like anything happened to the bow except a slight vertical line in the glass down where the riser meets the limbs on the belly. I'll have to keep an eye on it, but I continued to shoot the bow the rest of the day, aluminum arrows this time, and the bow shot well and the lines in the glass did not grow.
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Post by: njloco on September 10, 2010, 10:54:00 PM
I'm sorry to hear that, but at least you didn't get hurt.
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Post by: magnus on September 10, 2010, 10:55:00 PM
Glad you and the bow survived. Deffinetly keep an eye on that line.

Magnus
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on September 10, 2010, 10:55:00 PM
That sucks. I've had a nock break when shooting my 83# Silvertip, with no damage at all to the bow. It's not a nice feeling. My friend had a nock break when shooting his 65# Black Widow recurve, again with no damage to the bow.
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Post by: WESTBROOK on September 10, 2010, 10:58:00 PM
Kinda screws up your concentration for a while dont it!

Eric
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Post by: Brad_Gentry on September 10, 2010, 11:06:00 PM
I've had that happen with a 60# silvertip and an 80# great northern... wakes you up for sure! I've never used grizzly sticks, but I don't know that I'd blame the arrow. Nocks just break sometimes.   :dunno:
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Post by: RAU on September 10, 2010, 11:25:00 PM
Im not sure I'd blame the arrows either. I had a bad experience a few months ago where I had a loose nock let go of the string just as I started to relax my fingers. The arrow fell to my feet. I completely dryfired the bow. The bow shot out of my hand and landed 3 feet in front of me unstrung! I cant remeber a more sickening sound and feeling!! But once I calmed down and assessed the dameges all was fine, i changed the nock, and kept shooting.
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Post by: xtrema312 on September 10, 2010, 11:44:00 PM
I change out all my GT see through plastic nocks to Easton solid color nocks for just this reason.  I have split the Easton nocks down one side and not broken them in half.  I have even robin hooded many arrows and only open the nock like a book, but not blown off a nock side.  I have had two of those GT nocks break on loosing an arrow.
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Post by: Ken Taylor on September 10, 2010, 11:46:00 PM
I was having problems with finger position and very loose nocks.

Dry fired my bow for the first time in years...TWICE in the same week this past spring.

Stopped shooting while I analyzed the problem and found a solution.

Never happened again and everything seems O.K.-thank goodness my bow is alright!
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Post by: pete p on September 11, 2010, 12:33:00 AM
sounds like a nock issue not an arrow issue. keep an eye on that line.
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Post by: Plumber on September 11, 2010, 05:54:00 AM
I would think it is the nock not the arrow. it also could be the serving. any time you get new componets you should take the time to look things over. things arnet all the same it only takes a small variance for things to go wrong.
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Post by: Red4arm on September 11, 2010, 08:16:00 AM
I built a 42lb takedown for my wife. We were shooting one day and I was at the target pulling arrows and I here something. Turned around and saw her dry firing the bow. Bocote limbs ,clear  glass,  bubinga and bocote riser.  She did 2 or three times before I stopped her. My fault, she didn't know it's a bad thing. The bow was fine, still shoots great. I would be concerned with the "line". Lines are usually cracks. Have someone check it or at least have someone check it at full draw to see if it opens any.
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Post by: Keefer on September 11, 2010, 08:25:00 AM
Sorry to hear of the dryfire but also remember knocks can be a little too tight or a little too loose and if the nock has to open and close to fit the serving it can become weak...Temperature changes can affect the material the nock is made of...Wonder if anyone ever invented a nock with fiberglass mixed in the material? Could make them a lot stronger if mixed with the right plastics when molded...I use to work for a co. that is a big tool maker and I set up and processed molds and got to see how fiberglass made a product stronger depending on the way it was designed...Also nocks that aren't cured in the molding process could become weak and split...Just my 2 cents worth which ain't much...  :dunno:
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Post by: myshootinstinks on September 11, 2010, 09:32:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Keefer:
knocks can be a little too tight or a little too loose and if the nock has to open and close to fit the serving it can become weak...Temperature changes can affect the material the nock is made of
To add to this, I've found that a fairly short time of exposure to direct sunlight weakens the nocks. I left a couple of arrows sticking in a target for a day in the bright sun and broke a nock the next time I shot.
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Post by: LongStick64 on September 11, 2010, 10:38:00 AM
Well I took the bow out again and I shot it for a few hours and she did just fine. I used a sharpie to fill in the lines in the glass to keep an eye on it.
What bothers me about the nocks is that it broke somewhat inside the arrow, no way I could of seen it before hand. They fit snug on the string and I always check my equipment for any possible failure.
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on September 11, 2010, 07:26:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Red4arm:
I built a 42lb takedown for my wife. We were shooting one day and I was at the target pulling arrows and I here something. Turned around and saw her dry firing the bow. Bocote limbs ,clear  glass,  bubinga and bocote riser.  She did 2 or three times before I stopped her. My fault, she didn't know it's a bad thing. The bow was fine, still shoots great. I would be concerned with the "line". Lines are usually cracks. Have someone check it or at least have someone check it at full draw to see if it opens any.
:scared:  

You must make a good bow, Sir!
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Post by: jsweka on September 11, 2010, 08:27:00 PM
It happens.  I had a glue on nock on a douglas fir shaft explode at release a couple weeks ago.  I know I didn't hit that nock with another arrow beforehand because I was shooting lousy that day.  Shot the arrow several times before it exploded and never noticed anything wrong with it.  I think any bow that's worth it salt should be able to handle a dry fire from time to time.  But it sure does scare the hell out of you and makes you pretty squimish on the next shot.
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Post by: MercilessMing on September 11, 2010, 09:33:00 PM
Glad that you are OK.  Keep an eye on the line...

I had a dryfire once due to nock split.  It was because of an hairline crack due to prior arrows hitting.  Now I always check the arrow before nocking.
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Post by: vtmtnman on September 12, 2010, 06:57:00 AM
I had a nock bust apart on a 2216 earlier this year while shooting my prized 54# silvertip.Saddest man alive described only half of how I felt when it happened.It gave no warning it was going to happen.Just was it's time.
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Post by: longarrow on September 12, 2010, 07:29:00 AM
Keep a fine eye on the "line"....I know it's close to huntin season, but you might get bow doc to look at it and I would at least fill the crack with super glue.
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Post by: LongStick64 on September 13, 2010, 01:30:00 PM
Well double dang #$%#%$## and a whole lot more than that.

You guessed it my Rose Oak Riser has a kicked the bucket, ugh. Went shooting again and you could hear the riser split as I was coming to full draw. Let down real quick. I know you might be able to restore it so it looks good BUT no way I want to trust in shooting it. Did I say DANG IT.
Now I have a pair of gorgeous Yew veneer limbs without a way to shoot them. If I can't find a Bear B riser I'll put them up for trade/sale. They are way too good looking to sit alone.
This one really hurts, it was an excellent riser made by Brandon Stahl. Both me and my son loved shooting it.
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Post by: Doc Nock on September 13, 2010, 02:57:00 PM
Sorry for your loss. I'd not write off anything on this site with the talent in bow repair.

I was going to post what B. Morrison recommends for any crack, ding or chip...SUPER GLUE, but too late.

I'm hoping you can find a replacement riser you like! Some great stuff turns up on our Trad Bows forum!
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Post by: kbaamigo on September 13, 2010, 03:07:00 PM
I also had a nearly new GT nock fail. Both ears went at the same time. Was only shooting the one arrow at the time and no hard hits.
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Post by: NorthernCaliforniaHunter on September 13, 2010, 03:16:00 PM
I haven't shot too many types of arrows, and don't know the type of plastic Grizzly uses on the nocks, but I do know from my own experience that I don't trust the translucent (green, orange, etc.) nocks made of stiff/brittle plastic as much as I do the type of plastic used by ArrowDynamics - which are not translucent, are more flexible and haven't failed on me once.

The dry fire experience is enough to make one soil his shorts. I needed a change, that's for sure.
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Post by: saumensch on September 13, 2010, 03:38:00 PM
I feel for youre loss, had the same happen to my Bob Lee sometime ago. Still searching for that Riser.
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Post by: YORNOC on September 13, 2010, 04:04:00 PM
My friend's brand new Silvertip years ago. His arrows too. He let me take a couple of shots at the end of the day and you guessed it, blew a nock and dry fired the bow. Bottom limb delaminated.
I tried to pay for it but he wouldn't let me. Crap happens, glad you didn't hurt yourself or your son.