I tuned up some woodies last evening that were giving me a little trouble. Turns out I had too much weight up front... this means the Woodsman Elites I have at 190 grs are too heavy for me this season. The local shop sell the Rothhaar Snuffers in the 125 gr weight I need and I'd like to get some feedback on the two. Is it worth the wait and shipping to order Woodsman Elites or should I just go with the Snuffers? What are your experiences?
I shoot the snuffers and have for a number of years. Never let me down.
I would just use the snuffers, great heads that will give the same results in the end.
Never a problem with the snuffers here either....shooting the 125s with no penetration issues even with light bows.(40#)
I've used the 150gr. Snuffers for years before I was into my experimental stage 5 years ago.
I still have 8 of em loaded on 29" Easton XX75 2114's.
You can't go wrong with a Snuffer IMHO even though I'm going to give the Woodsman 125gr. on my 30" Gold Tip Trad 35/55's a try this season.
Go with the Snuffers. Fly just as straight as the woodsmen and you get the added benefit of a wider cut.
Snuffer all I use..
Ya Snuffers
I would have to aggree with everyone I have shot the standard Woodsman some and have shot the big 160 snuffers for years and to this day I still have snuffers on the business end of my arrows come season!
Both are fine but the cheaper price and especially the Lifetime guaranty makes me a Snuffer fan.
Like hvyhitter, I shoot 125 snuffer out of 45# with only dead deer.
160gr Snuffer makes a bigger entry and exit hole if you shoot enough bow to reliably push it through. If not then I'd stick with the Woodsmans as I've had good success with them as well.
I am useing 125 gr snuffers this season for the first time,they fly great!
Have used the 160gr Snuffers with 45gr screw-in inserts for awhile now. They sharpen easy and hold a good edge.
The tips seem to be a bit tougher than those on the Woodsman.
Wow... I'm thinking I should go with the Snuffer... but I was just introduced to the Red Feather Archery Phoenix... and I am very intrigued... its basically a single bevel woodsman elite... have a test head coming this week. I'll post the results.
I'll differ a little bit on the popular opinion as far as the 125 grain Snuffers go. I, personally, am not a fan of the smaller sizes, I think too much metal is taken off the blades to make the lighter weight heads and it weakens the head too much. (I have a LITTLE experience with these head as I spent most of my youth putting Snuffers together ;) ).
Remember, Dad designed the head waaayyy back to be the 1 1/2 inch size (the biggest they make) - the design was optimized for that head, not a smaller one.
The 2 largest sizes are the ones I'd recommend. You will not know the difference between a 125 gr head and a 150 gr head (unless you are THE BEST archery shot I've ever run across in 30 years.... :)
Ryan
It's funny, My friends and I still call it the "Rothhaar Snuffer"!
Shoot them both if you get the chance. I prefer the wider cut width of the Snuffer, but have found that I'm more acurate with the WW, although this is not a judgement against either head. It's just that I see the arrow in my peripheral vision and tend to pick up the wider blades of the Snuffers. The only thing I can figure is I subconsciously align through the Y of the blades like a gun sight. I generally group Snuffers slightly wide, although they fly great. Orienting the blades helps some, but I just don't pick up the lower profile of the WW's. This shouldn't be a factor if you shoot pure instinctive, but I sight down the entire arrow length and don't need to be unduly distracted by the head. I have to orient 2-blades vertically (approx. 10 o'clock:4 o'clock with my cant)or I cant shoot them worth a hoot!
I've been shooting snuffer 125s but am switching to Woodsman Elite 175s for this season. If I didn't need the added weight up front I would be staying with the snuffers.
Here's something to take into consideration and I will start only by saying this is based on my experience. I hunt a lot from tree stands and used Snuffers exclusively for many years. However, on occasion, penetration was an issue. When the Woodsman came out I tried them and found penetration to be superior and bloodtrails to be as profuse. I now use Razorcaps because I got a really good deal on 3 doz. Everything I have killed with them has gone down in sight and the only thing that keeps me from getting pass thrus all the time is the offside shoulder bone. Razorcaps and Woodsman have very similar geometry. I guess what I am trying to relate is that if you are hunting from treestands the Woodsman may be a better choice because. in my case, I have found that design to penetrate better and have been every bit as lethal.
Don't the snuffers whistle a lot? The game hereabouts tend to stringjump easily so noise for me is a HUGE issue.
Johan: When I shot Snuffers I coated them with a very thin film of petroleum jelly....stopped all the noise and helped with corrosion of the edges.
Ya they whistle a little. I call it the whistle of death. :thumbsup:
Stan of Red Feather Archery was kind enough to send me a couple of test broadheads. I got one 150 gr. glue on Phoenix and one 150 gr. glue on talon. Both shot like darts and produced impressive penetration. I've found my broadhead for the season! The Phoenix does have the woodsman whistle, but I've never heard of that causing and issue hunting and I also hear that vasoline will eliminate the sound.
Here's the final decision and tune arrow...
Chundoo 65-70 shaft cut to 29" BOP with Red Feather Archery Phoenix Single Bevel Broadhead, 150 grains.
These heads are top notch quality, easy to sharpen, 50 rockwell and just plain nasty... I am certain they will put down the animals quickly and humanly... and that is MY personal goal.
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