Greetings fellow tradgangers.
Yesterday, after much deliberation, I posted a topic titled "Any fellow "travelers" on tradgang?" seeking to know if there were any fellow Freemasons on this site. My topic was pulled without explanation or warning.
Let me preface what I am about to say by quoting from the home page:
"Expect to be respected if you decide to join the gang, because the rule of respect is held highest of the few rules that apply. Tradgang.com has a zero tolerance for disrespect directed to anyone. If you want to disagree, then please do so in an adult manner. Debate is healthy, as one sword sharpens another, but it must be done in an honorable fashion."
Now the caveat, not that it's anyone's business - mind you - but for a little context: I am a Christian and a Freemason. Mutually exclusive? Not in the least bit... Christianity is my faith and masonry is my fraternity of like minded brothers who have taken vows to live an upright (and mind you - "Christlike") life.
Belief in Jesus Christ is freely divulged here, and often. I have no problem with that. This is, after all, America. Ideals of patriotism are also freely expounded here. Again, no argument. But, considering this nation was FOUNDED by Christian Freemasons I find myself baffled by the persecution my fraternity has suffered.
My post was of no greater or lesser significance than any other post inquiring as to the identity and location of like-minded archers. It is arguably no different than a post seeking information on - for example - fellow tradgangers residing in my area or members of a local club.
Today I feel I have been shunned. Today I feel disrespected on the one site in cyberspace I thought was a cut above the rest. The one site I routinely sought encouragement from when I needed to be reminded that there are decent people in the world.
My heart is heavy. Should I stay or should I go? :confused:
I think you should enjoy the site for the Traditional Bowhunting information, entertainment, and fellowship that it provides and quit being sensitive about a post that got pulled. It's just a computer screen.
Juan,
Everyone on here including me has had a post pulled at one time or another. If it bothers you that much, email Terry and ask why. I am sure he will answer your question.
Juan,
I would suggest you stay. There is another element of the rules that must be considered whenever we start a thread. The thread must be traditional archery related. A thread asking if there are any fellow Trad Gangers that live in ones area meets that requirement. Personally, I don't think the thread that you reference meets that requirement.
I don't think you have been shunned. Send a PM to Terry, one of the Moderators or to Rob and discuss the issue that is burdening you. You might note that my personal signature line addresses Christianity and my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in every post I make no matter what the topic might be.
Bill
leaving or staying is all up to you...
Hang out with us you have nothing to lose,but we may have something to gain from you.God didn't leave when things didn't go his way! why should you.
If you want I will put a post up just to have it pulled,Oh wait that has happened a few times.I'm still here.
I'd say that your post was pulled because it was off topic and had nothing too do with traditional bowhunting.
I'm sure a mod or admin will be glad to answer your question if you send them an email.
Mike
Please stay, I have enjoyed your posts. It would be a shame if you left. That said, I almost left once when I had a thread deleted that was in no way offensive. But I dabbled around with other sites for a few days and decided that this was the best. I don't get why they do that here, and wish they could lighten up a little,, but its not my site. Also, you wouldn't be leaving just the moderators but also all of us who appreciate your input. The greatness of this site out ways some of the occasional flaws. To make an analogy,, I'm sure there a people in your life who aren't perfect but you still love them.
Stick around, eventually everything changes for the better.
Josh
Here is an idea. Add a forum where you can post anything you want within reason. Call it Pow Whoah. I have met a few trad archers who left trad gang at 3d shoots because they felt there "right to free speech was impinged upon". Their loss, but as a business trad gang would benefit from having a forum where people can talk about their interests and find common ground with other archers. Just a thought,, I'll shut up now
Josh
Stick around as I'm sure it was nothing personal. The traditional archery and bowhunting subject policy has been around from the start...
I just read your post; it's still up on my computer......stabow
I understand your feelings. It would be easy to take it personal, but I really don't think it was. I too am a Christian, but not everyone here is, and moderators have to be diplomats on here. I once had a thread of mine pulled after some random user made sexist comments on my thread. I didn't take it personally. I would have wanted it pulled at that point anyhow.
But I really don't think that Christianity is the issue either. It just simply wasn't trad archery related. You've discovered where the line is here, so just take it as that. :)
I really don't believe it was an attack on your Christianity or beliefs, or I wouldn't use this forum either.
Truth is this is the best forum out there, period. Reason being they have guidlines that they stick to. Gotta respect that. If it isn't archery related, then no go.
I hope you stay
Ethan
Gentlemen,
Thank you. I understand the policy fully.
That being said, can you explain the longevity of such posts as:
"Grits & eggs...a hunters breakfast?"
"Number and Size of Coolers for Moose"
"Who gets cell coverage where they hunt?"
etc., etc., etc.?
I was inquiring into the number of fellow Freemasons who are ALSO ARCHERS... oh, never mind.
As for Molson's response above, namely "quit being sensitive about a post that got pulled", I find that to be exactly the kind of tone and disrespect I am referring to.
I'll take it "on faith" that my post was pulled for the reasons stated above. If not, then I warn each and every member who reads this: God loathes a hypocrite.
Have a fine day, one and all, and God Bless (sincerely.)
Juan
QuoteOriginally posted by NorthernCaliforniaHunter:
Gentlemen,
Thank you. I understand the policy fully.
That being said, can you explain the longevity of such posts as:
"Grits & eggs...a hunters breakfast?"
"Number and Size of Coolers for Moose"
"Who gets cell coverage where they hunt?"
etc., etc., etc.?
I was inquiring into the number of fellow Freemasons who are ALSO ARCHERS... oh, never mind.
As for Molson's response above, namely "quit being sensitive about a post that got pulled", I find that to be exactly the kind of tone and disrespect I am referring to.
I'll take it "on faith" that my post was pulled for the reasons stated above. If not, then I warn each and every member who reads this: God loathes a hypocrite.
Have a fine day, one and all, and God Bless (sincerely.)
Juan
:rolleyes: :dunno:
Juan,
I hope you stay, this is an AWESOME forum. I get mad about some things to. Just remember this is not our house, we are just visiting.
I could list a number of reasons why I love this web site. The one that sticks out most for me is meeting Winterhawk1960. We shoot together every week now, that would not have been possible if it was not for tradgang.
So hang in their, this web site has some of the best people in the world on it.
Me too....stabow
Post is there but its locked.
Your topic got pulled... big deal! Let your ego (or hopefully lack of thereof) tell you whether you go or not. We can do nothing about that. up to you Sir
Our Trad family will be diminished without you but the choice has to be yours and yours alone.
I too have had at least one thread pulled. Did I feel good about it.. can't say I did but it was what it was.
I feel a little silly admitting it but it was painful. I decided that the good here outweighed my hurt.
I hear that you're too hurting and for that I am sorry.
I pray you can come to a similar conclusion.
God bless you brother
With the love of Christ
Roy L "Mudd" Williams
I did not read your post, so it would be unfair to pass judgement; it does sound like you enjoy the site, and are willing to contribute information and help to others, so, I would encourage you to stay. The rules are a benefit to everyone, and I am thankful there are rules, because it could become unruly otherwise, when it is about traditional bowhunting.
When it happens, it should not be taken personally, because a lot of people have had it happen to them; your in good company.
I hope you stay :)
I'm neither a christian nor a freemason, but would enjoy sharing the cyber camp-fire with you!
:campfire: :archer2:
Like the others have said, we won't force you to stay, but send terry an email, and he'll probably tell you why.
I have also gotten a thread pulled, but, this is still the place to be, for me!! :)
Mudd says stay, that's enough reason. Request for this post to be deleted, and.. it never happened.
QuoteOriginally posted by wingnut:
I'd say that your post was pulled because it was off topic and had nothing too do with traditional bowhunting.....
I can guarantee you that's exactly why it was pulled - not because of any Christian or non-Christian issue.
I once posted about rifle hunting on here and that thread lasted less than an hour...
Juan,
It seems that I am not alone when I say that I would like for you to stay. You have contributed greatly to the community and it seems that it is a choice that you will have to make for yourself. I can understand your frustration, and sometimes I don't quite understand how some things get pulled and others don't.
This site, to me.......is the best traditional site on the net, partly because of the rules being enforced.....but mostly because of the kind of people that regularly visit here. I enjoy the company of "like-minded" people and appreciate the opportunity to be able to post here. That being said, I have had posts pulled also.......and there have been a lot bigger "fish" that swim in this ocean that have had theirs pulled also.
As has already been said.......it isn't our house, it is just open for us to visit. I don't make the rules, but do my best to stay within them. This site is SOLELY responsible for my having to get to meet and shoot with so many GREAT people. For that I am very thankful.
Winterhawk1960
Juan, i'm just glad you enlightened me on what your original post was about...i was clueless. :)
There have been a lot of good people here whose posts have been pulled. Don't take it personally..
i had two or three posts moved or pulled, i wouldn't take it so hard.
Juan you're just reading too much into this. A moderator closed your post because they felt it was off topic. That's all there is to it. It's nothing personal and you're not being singled out. It happens all the time. Enjoy the site and forget about it.
As for me being insensitive.... Yeah, it's my nature! :help: :D
QuoteOriginally posted by WildmanSC:
Juan,
I would suggest you stay. There is another element of the rules that must be considered whenever we start a thread. The thread must be traditional archery related. A thread asking if there are any fellow Trad Gangers that live in ones area meets that requirement. Personally, I don't think the thread that you reference meets that requirement.
I don't think you have been shunned. Send a PM to Terry, one of the Moderators or to Rob and discuss the issue that is burdening you.
Bill
I will have to agree with Wildman on this one. Asking about other TGr's in your area is one thing, asking if there are any that share your faith is another. I know that is fine line, because you are technically asking a bunch of TGr's, but also technically that does not have to do with the subject of Trad Archery.
If you were in the Mods shoes, having to read each and every post(maybe missing some of them at times because of how many there are) and having to decide if it was on or off topic, that would be difficult to say the least. So many of the threads, including the ones you mentioned, are right on that fine line and for whatever reason have not been deleted. That is up to the discretion of those who have the authority to do so. They are making decisions based on opinions(and we all know about those). That said, the owners and by extension the mods, have the final say, regardless if their opinion matches the majority. I am sure it is difficult at times for the mods to delete posts, especially if they have interest in the subject, enjoy the topic, are in fact freemasons, etc.... but they still must do it, (if they feel it is off topic) becaue they must follow the rules too.
I have enjoyed your posts very much over the years, and hope for one you stay.
ive had post pulled to for silly reasons. makes you not want to post at all when you have alot of the guys on here getting away with it...which you gave perfect examples of! it just depends on who the lil king and his buddies like:)
Juan Please reconsider and stay.You yourself said after much deliberation so you must have felt there may be a problem with your post.I enjoy your input and post and I have had some of mine pulled.I also feel it is the best forum out here b/c they do not put up with a lot of things not related to trad archery.
I don't know about your post specifically, but I think the mod or admin do a great job with this site. No one is perfect, but it seems that they do a great job with the amount of work it takes to keep this thing running!
look on the bright side this post wasn't pulled.Maybe thats a sign for you to stay.
It seems your post is no longer locked. Speaking for myself it might have gotten locked since the moderator didn't know what you meant. If I didn't read this thread first I would have been confused too.
Juan, I would miss you.
This thread also will likely get pulled, but I just had to stick my 2 cents in here.
In a couple of weeks, this will be just a wheel rut you tripped over. It shouldn't be the hill you died on.
Please stick around, you are one of the good guys.
Killdeer
QuoteOriginally posted by Mint:
It seems your post is no longer locked. Speaking for myself it might have gotten locked since the moderator didn't know what you meant. If I didn't read this thread first I would have been confused too.
Never thought of that...good point Mint!
Staying would be a good idea. My threads have been pulled and I have even been chastised a time or two. I don't get upset or take it personally. This is Terry's back yard so to speak and I would listen to him in his actual back yard and do as he asks just like I do here. Terry and I just had a minor disagreement in a thread on something so I just dropped it. No big deal just two different lines of thought.
I don't always agree with everyone here, or even the moderators all the time. What sets humans apart is that we can disagree and still gain benefit from others with similar interests at the same time.
I hope you stay.
Juan,stay with us I can need a place to stay when I pass by,I have to buy a lot of bows and don't want to spend on Hotels.LOL.
I had a thread pulled once because of all things I inquuired about a tradtional recurve on the market and if anyone had shot it. Off topic no. Was there other issues, yes. Once I talked with a moderator, I understood the situation. Was I a little bum-fusled and unhappy, yeah. I understood when it was explained to me why.
To leave the site or not is your choice. There are going to be threads that skirt the fence on being off topic. For me I just always remember that anything can be censored on here, that is just the rules and I am okay with that. Having a topic pulled can be taken personal, but do you really think that they are being personal towards you are just regulating the site?
This is a trad bowhunting site. Maybe suggest that a forum be created for religious topics and the spirtualilty that is intrinsic in the bowhunting experience?
Just food for thought.
Jeff
If I can stay after having a post pulled then you can stay! I'm not used to people disagreeing with what I say. (I have a problem with authority) That being said, I had a post pulled when I was showing the arrows my son had made and I wanted an opinion if people would buy arrows that looked like that. The next day somebody posted pictures of their new arrows they were going to have in their shop and it stayed forever.
The point being, what you asked isn't any different than 100 others who asked the same thing in a different way but that day a moderator earned his/her stripes.
Stay on and read for a while before posting again and the sting will wear off.
... a few months back I had a post pulled because I talked about " LOW POUNDAGE" It was ruled unfit...hmmm. I still disagree with ADM. But there are so many good people on here that I like to share with ..that I stayed.. Yes this is not a perfect site..by a long shot..but its good enough for me. Keep on sharing .... For the right reasons... I been in this life style for a bunch longer than most of you... I want to give back now !!! Thanks .. "just a Ol'Ohio Bowhunter !!!
Goodbye.
After reading all of your comments I'm freshly awed by the caliber of Tradgangers.
I have thin skin and am the first to admit it.
Thank you.
Moderators, please delete this post.
I too recently had a perfectly good bow related tread pulled? The thead included pic's of my newly skinned limbs. I did some digging and found that that the bowyer that built my bow,(not a sponsor)here on TG and a bowyer that is a sponsor, had a dust up. All threads that include the name of the none sponsors bows got pulled.
I think there both fine gentlemen and it just so happens I have bows from both. One is a sponsor one is not! Some that fit in a certain click can get away with posting anything they like, the rest of us can't!
I'd say "go" if you are unsure or need other men to ask you to stay. Gather around a campfire and a spark may hit you. so what - get over it.
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bingo!! thats it RLA. this site can sometimes seem to be ruled by some socialist. :)
Hey Juan we need all the guy's we can get from the west coast on this site, it helps round out the forums. :bigsmyl:
Hope you stay. I also have had a thread puleed and it was about traditional archery, bowhunting.. don't understand to this day why, but the good sure outweighs it, met some great people, two of which have become best of friends. I wish you well on your decision..
Froggy
Let it go and get a :campfire: and enjoy. Posts get pulled and life goes on. I have met to many folks on here that have become hunting and shooting partners to just throw it all away,you shouldn't either!!
Just seeing all this right now....
I'm not the one that closed your thread, but I will say it needed to be closed or even deleted.
I'm writing this in hopes that a lot of others(not just Juan) that have taken something like this personal in the past, and may have something closed/pulled in the future will read and remember this.....
Nothing personal at all Juan, but your post has nothing remotely to do with trad bowhunting....nothing. Juan I know you're a good fella, I can tell by your posts over time.
I just don't know why you'd(or anyone else) take something as trivial as a post being closed, so personal, and are actually thinking about starving yourself of all the enjoyment we get from this site that Terry/Rob created and everyday puts their heart and soul into.
Com'on Juan, it's not life or death...it's an internet forum bud. "Don't sweat the small stuff", there are way more important tasks in life to "worry about" than something like this on TG.
Starting a whole new thread complaining about it, and asking others to make up your mind for you to "stay or go"...doesn't help at all bud...just creates more "work" for administators and mods.
BTW.....
BMB, "socailist"...please think about what your writing before you click "add reply"...that's both very wrong and uncalled for!
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
(Please note: "Trad Archery Newbies" article now found HERE (http://www.tradgang.com/docs/newbies.html) )
Lately, with the wave of new people coming to Trad Gang, I feel there needs to be a review of what Trad Gang is about.........
Off topic threads can be one of a kind, or fit into a category. Here's a list of categories that are off topic for Trad Gang that have been problematic for a few months now......
E-B-A-Y/Auction sites/Sales alerts from non Trad Companies.
No target/olympic/field archery topics cept 3-D
NO Solicitations/Raffles/Auctions.
***** No Religious posts.****** THIS IS WHY YOURS WAS PULLED
No non bowhunting related pics.
No links to other message boards.
No canned hunt topics period.
No Personal Contact threads.(use search feature and email)
No Scam alerts.
No Throwing Hawks/Throwing knives, non hunting knives
No Bloggs/Myspace/Facebook/ and YouTube non-bowhunting/YouTube personal Channels are all off topic. (direct links to a YouTube video are fine as long as they are trad bowhunting related)
No non Bowhunting TV/Movie threads.
No non Trad Bowhunting equipment (compounds, crossbows, mech heads, lazer sites, guns, etc...or even pics)
No fishing threads.
No pics of road kills, or any other weapon kills, or any type of kills that are not done so with trad bows.
No animals killing animals clips, or any other non hunting clips.
We do ONE charity a year and that's St Jude Children's Hospital. And we allow Compton and PBS to announce their raffles. This is all we do, so please do not post any type of charity/fund raiser of any kind.
Again, those categories above are off topic, and will always be off topic unless we approve a specific thread for a needy reason. Please help us help you by keeping the site on topic...Trad Bowhunting.
Trad Gang is a special place, and to keep it a special place it takes work from everyone, including the members. Try and understand that when your post is pulled, it is NOT personal, we are only trying to be consistent and fair as we can for the site's sake. No need to get bent out of shape, no need to go bizerk or explode.
Think you are alone?....Think we play favorites?..here's a few folks that have had their posts edited or pulled....
Ron LaClair, Dean Torges, Gene Wensel, Barry Wensel, Biggie Hoffman, Charlie Lamb, and Don Thomas just to name a few....So, if you've had a post removed or edited, your in good company.
I've pulled my own post as well as had mods pull mine....so don't take it personal. We are just striving to keep the site on course and as established on day one.
Thanks for your consideration.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RLA:
I too recently had a perfectly good bow related tread pulled? The thead included pic's of my newly skinned limbs. I did some digging and found that that the bowyer that built my bow,(not a sponsor)here on TG and a bowyer that is a sponsor, had a dust up. All threads that include the name of the none sponsors bows got pulled.
I think there both fine gentlemen and it just so happens I have bows from both. One is a sponsor one is not! Some that fit in a certain click can get away with posting anything they like, the rest of us can't!
RLA (and perhaps others) ...
there are people and companies that spend money to sponsor trad gang. their money allows me and you and everyone else to enjoy the benefits of a global trad archery campfire called 'trad gang'.
who is 'trad gang'? it's the membership. not just me or you, but *everyone* collectively.
'trad gang' has a responsibility to its sponsors. without sponsors, there is no trad gang. this is easy to understand, you would think. but not to some people. they think it's ok to hawk their wares *constantly*, for years and years and never offer a dime to trad gang - you and me and everyone else that enjoys this forum.
so, ask yourself this question -
here you have two companies, both have fine products and both are selling well. is it ok that one pays for their advertising and the other skates for free?should you, a member of a free and public forum (trad gang), even care?
Didn't mean to stir up so much emotion.
PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD
QuoteOriginally posted by NorthernCaliforniaHunter:
Didn't mean to stir up so much emotion.
PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD
but this IS what happens when you openly discuss stuff in a forum. what else would you expect would happen?
thread closed.