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Title: Trail cam pics- Antlered doe?
Post by: Skipmaster1 on August 15, 2010, 10:41:00 PM
I got a new trail cam the other day and decided to set it up in a small strip of woods that runs along side the yard. I pulled it this afternoon and found out that I had a few deer come through around 10:45 this morning. At first I thought it was just a young buck... but now I'm not so sure. It appears that he has 2 fawns with him and squats to pee. Any thoughts?

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Title: Re: Trail cam pics- Antlered doe?
Post by: Skipmaster1 on August 15, 2010, 10:42:00 PM
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/skipmaster1/Hunting/PICT0009.jpg)

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Title: Re: Trail cam pics- Antlered doe?
Post by: J-dog on August 15, 2010, 10:48:00 PM
I dont think I have ever seen a deer cock his leg? the fawns are curious though.
Title: Re: Trail cam pics- Antlered doe?
Post by: Skipmaster1 on August 15, 2010, 11:00:00 PM
I have never seen them cock their leg but the bucks I see usually just pee while standing
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Post by: elkbreath on August 15, 2010, 11:04:00 PM
antlered does are not unheard of at all.  so, go with it!
Title: Re: Trail cam pics- Antlered doe?
Post by: Skipmaster1 on August 15, 2010, 11:08:00 PM
I'm not saying it is or isn't I'm just curious. I do know one sure way to find out come november!
Title: Re: Trail cam pics- Antlered doe?
Post by: Gen273 on August 15, 2010, 11:08:00 PM
I am not sure, but it is interesting.
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Post by: Brian Krebs on August 16, 2010, 12:25:00 AM
trail cameras are cool.
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Post by: Dave Bulla on August 16, 2010, 02:20:00 AM
Looks like you should be able to move those pictures to a program like photoshop or something similar and zoom in on the photo's wear the deer is peeing and maybe be able to tell if there's the proper "equipment" hangin' down.

I can't tell from the pic's as is.
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Post by: buckeye_hunter on August 16, 2010, 08:32:00 AM
Looks like a doe....
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Post by: Gatekeeper on August 16, 2010, 09:41:00 AM
Cool

It looks like a doe to me.

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Title: Re: Trail cam pics- Antlered doe?
Post by: JimB on August 16, 2010, 10:15:00 AM
I can't be 100 % sure but it looks like it might be.I would think that angle should show testicles if it were a bucket.Pretty interesting.Does anyone know if antlered does are fertile?
Title: Re: Trail cam pics- Antlered doe?
Post by: JimB on August 16, 2010, 10:32:00 AM
Found this article.I hope it is OK to post.
Field Notes: Antlered Does
During the 2002 deer-hunting season, Tom Schneider of Willmar shot a white-tailed deer with a polished 13-point rack. Nothing strange about that. But something was unusual: The deer, by all appearances, was a doe, with female genitalia, an udder, and teats.

Why do some does grow antlers? How common are they? Are they really does? These are some of the questions hunters ask as deer such as Schneider's trophy focus attention on these unusual creatures. With the exception of caribou, females of the deer family do not normally grow antlers. Yet reports of antlered female white-tailed, black-tailed, and mule deer go back more than a century. Most of these have velvet-covered pedicels or small spikes with some branching, and can produce fawns. The scientific literature also contains reports of a few deer that appeared to be females except they had hard, polished antlers.

The physiological process of antler development helps to explain how antlers can develop in does. White-tailed deer antlers are made of bone. They grow from pedicels ("buttons") on the skull. Annual antler growth begins in mid-March to April, triggered by the interaction of increasing daylight, testosterone, and the hormone prolactin. During early development, the antlers are composed of blood vessels, nerves, and a hairy skin called velvet.

In August or September, a second surge of testosterone, the most important stimulant to antler growth, is released, causing the velvet to die and the bone to harden. The deer eventually rubs the velvet off, and the antlers become polished. By late December or early January, the supply of testosterone declines and a separation layer forms between the antler and pedicel. The antlers drop off shortly thereafter. In March or April, the process to begins again.

Researchers have noted that females can have a testosterone surge caused by a hormone imbalance, first pregnancy, tumors, or degenerative conditions of the ovaries or adrenal glands. This single surge can cause the growth of antlers in velvet.

Indeed, researchers estimate one in every 1,000 to 6,000 white-tailed females produces antlers. In Pennsylvania, researchers reported one antlered doe per 3,500 antlered deer. A 1985 study in Alberta, Canada, documented that eight of 517 adult does had antlers (about 1 in 64). The reasons for the high number of antlered females in this region: perhaps because every harvested deer was examined, or there may be a genetic predisposition for female antler growth.

Postmortem examination by researchers around the country indicates that does with antlers in velvet tend to be reproductively functional, or to have complete but malformed reproductive tracts, or to be true hermaphrodites in which the ovaries are more developed than the testes.

What about "does" with polished antlers? For the velvet to die and the antlers to become polished bone, a second surge of testosterone is necessary. Reproductively functional females will not get the second surge. Deer that appear to be does with polished antlers are almost always reproductively malformed males, which will have a second testosterone surge that causes the antler velvet to shed. Postmortem research on these deer shows most are cryptorchids, hermaphrodites with male organs predominant, or pseudohermaphrodites (animals with external female genitalia but internal male reproductive organs). Because its antlers were large and polished, Tom Schneider's 13-point deer likely was a pseudohermaphrodite.

If you kill what you suspect is an antlered doe, save the internal organs, then contact your local wildlife manager or veterinarian to request a thorough examination of the animal. You might be surprised by what they find.

Christopher DePerno, DNR Farmland Wildlife Populations & Research Group and Jonathan Jenks, South Dakota State University
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Post by: Squirrelbane on August 16, 2010, 11:49:00 AM
antlered doe or unfortunate buck
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Post by: BobCo 1965 on August 16, 2010, 11:56:00 AM
Tough to see, but is that a 3 legged deer? It kind of distributes its weight like one. I'm going with 3 legged buck.   ;)
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Post by: ishiwannabe on August 16, 2010, 04:57:00 PM
Just shoot it and find out. Lol. Cool pics man.
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Post by: Buckeye Trad Hunter on August 16, 2010, 05:00:00 PM
That settles it!  The conclusion is you have a three legged antlerd doe with twin fawns.  :D    

All jokes aside that really is what it apears to be.  Can't be 100% though.