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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: stevewills on August 13, 2010, 01:08:00 AM
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well got some poachers next to my farm and its where i hunt.got them on a trail camera taking a deer off the farm and loading it on a 4 wheeler.called the c.o.and he said that the pics made it unclear of the people and the atv.ok no problem,so here is what i have in mind for them no good*****,*******,***,****.well their property has no woods and the fenceline is the only place there are trees and their stands are on the fence pointing towards our property so heres what i have in store.i have 30 no tresspassing signs up on the fence lines facing them and decided not to hunt the opening days so i can set and video them shooting on our property so when they go to recover im throwing their sorry butts in jail,or i could be a real big jerk and lace that small woodlot with perfume the day before season.i should not have to do this because they can get permission for properties.and to top it off this guy is the hunter education instuctor in my area...so how would you deal with this
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Get a nice stubby cigar, rack your shotgun and tell them you like to hunt animals too...the human animal!!
edit: but honestly catching them in the act with a trip camera would be ideal, they should know better than to mess with private property.
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Choose the time they're out there as the time to hold an "all you can eat" barbeque and invite all your friends. Crank up the music, play horseshoes, have a good time. Or place some signs facing their property that say: "QUARANTINE! DANGER! INFECTED LIVESTOCK AND WILDLIFE! DISEASE COMMUNICABLE TO HUMANS, SOIL CONTAMINATED BY DISEASE BACTERIA! POSITIVELY NO ADMITTANCE!
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just wait until you know he's there then take a couple big buddies with you and walk up to them/him and give him the message the punk needs to hear.ask him where he gets off hunting/poaching deer when hes an instructor of hunting ethics.then get ahold of whoever you have too and get his stupid ass fired from that position.dont take crap off poachers bro.GET RID OF THEM.
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I have had the same problem & they stole one of my cameras last season. Got a pic of them with the camera but could not identify them. Video them and make sure you zoom right in so there is no doubt. Have them arrested and charged. They no better.
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Proceed with caution.I am sure there will be members coming on here soon with stories of torched vehicles, tree stands chain sawed or stolen and other sabotage. Here in MI its hard to prosecute. CO's and cops always have a reason why you can't get these guys. I hope Indiana is more sensible
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I would cut ever tree on the fenceline that was on my side with a chain saw, dropping them as close to the edge of the fence as posible. nothing like a 30 foot tall fence of brush!
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A six foot tall fence would help. No question that they are crossing knowlingly then. Likely a hole would appear. That would be a great pinch point for a camera. . . or stand site.
How many tags you got ?
Don't get all riled up though or you will do something that you later call stupid and you will be the one in trouble. Seems the bad guys have way more rights than the good guys.
ChuckC
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I would just confront them and ask why they are hunting on your property with out permission. Simple as that and call him out and his buddies out when ever you can and the word will get out. He is just a lazy hunter with poor character. I also agree that a nice video is great evidence should he decide to do mischief against you.
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More federal troops on the ******.
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Small treble hooks and piano wire 42" off ground seams to mess up poachers day....Dave
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I would try talking to them before anything. Might even tell them you have photos of them tresspasing and if it doesn't stop you have no choice and will get the authorities involved. I would also video them as you suggested.
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Ran into this problem before.Turned the pictures into the local police.They went out to there house to let them know that we knew they had been on the property.We told them to give them a warning and if they got caught again charges would be pressed.But these where teenagers riding dirtbikes and four wheelers.A grown man especially a hunter education instructor knows better than this.
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Sounds like you found a few places to make your outdoor toilets! We had the same trouble a few years back on our land, People setting stands just off our boundry line facing us! We couldn't catch them in the act but found a couple gut piles on our land, c.e.os couldn't do /or wouldn't even look into it! So we drove them out by setting up all our outdoor toilets in front of their stands, I also set up and camped for a week along the boundry line,(opening week)It seems they took their vacation that week! We had to give up good hunting for that year,but it was worth it! they moved on soon after that! Good luck!
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Is he wearing Orange? I'm thinking hunting 'accident'
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He needs to be prosecuted go fullest extent of the law!!! I wouldn't want someone like this teaching my kids about hunter safety. I don't own my own land and rely on door knocking go get permission to hunt. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Guys like this gives us all a bad rap. Sorry to rant but this just really burns my butt!
Magnus
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Invite your local c.o. to go hunting with you opening morning.He could have a nice hunt and do his job at the same time.Are one of the local police officers they like to hunt too.Terry
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i think the best thing to do would be first to use the system and if that fales i would do what ever i would have to do. i'm thinking rig the fence line with barrels of diesel and high explosives and trip wires sound pretty good! can you still buy claymores? j/k lol
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i'm in the same boat magnus amen brother! keep on preaching!
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put up a electrical fence
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I feel your pain, good luck dealing with the trespassers!!
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Not sure about this, but maybe hire atty and get restraining order to keep them of property. If served with restraining order, they will have no excuse if caught.
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i'm assuming it's opening day of archery season. Adeeden mentioned a chain saw, i would take my chainsaw sneek up behind them, start my chain saw, tell them they have 2 minutes to unhook there safety belt, come down the tree leaving there gear in the tree, and exit my property. i beleve they would get a little excited if they choose not to and i began cutting down the tree. what do you think? good idea??? :deadhorse:
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Hide a few more game cameras. You need to stack the deck in your favor. The more evidence you can provide the better. You need to treat trespassers as the ultimate game animal to fill your tags!!
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Sit in on one of his hunter education classes and ask him a few very pointed 'hypothetical' questions. A game warden often sits in on those classes (at least out here they do).
S.
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From what you describe, they are in trees on THEIR side of the fence - correct? So, they are LEGAL unless/until they have to retrieve a deer on your property. Have you talked to them, in person? Have you told them that you will prosecute if the set foot on your property and you will not allow them to retrieve game?
Until they shoot something, this is an ethical issue, and only becomes a potential legal issue after they shoot something. You go after them now and they will claim they are hunting their own field and are perfectly legal. Talk to them and get this worked out before it becomes a legal issue for both of you. IMO anything even remotely violent will get you in much more trouble than them.
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Yep i agree with Magnus.I'm also a hunter ed instructor and i wouldn't even think of stepping foot on someones property without permission.He would defintly get his license pulled if they get wind of that happening.Asking permission thats 1 of the commandments as us being hunters.
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Pick that spot to start doing some nude sunbathing and nude yoga. When you see him, ask if he'd like to join you.
You'll never see him again! :D ;) :biglaugh:
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Better yet, when you see him, ask if he could rub some suntan lotion of your back. LOL
He'll run away so fast that he'll run right out of his boots. LOL Free boots! LOL
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pete this is already a legal issue he said they were poaching.
I would go with as many trail cameras as i can get and get them on video. you can probably get them in trouble for the poacher along with the trespassing if you can get them on camera again. I would wait to do anything else until i had them on camera.
After they are on film i would do something to limit there access or to scare any potential game of the part of the property they have been trespassing on.
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lmao @ mojostick.....dammit..ya made me spill my oj. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
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Originally posted by magnus:
He needs to be prosecuted go fullest extent of the law!!! I wouldn't want someone like this teaching my kids about hunter safety. I don't own my own land and rely on door knocking go get permission to hunt. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Guys like this gives us all a bad rap. Sorry to rant but this just really burns my butt!
Magnus
Exactly :thumbsup:
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print the pictures out of them loading the poached deer on the four wheeler. Laminate it and place it under your no tresspassing signs with a note that reads "this property is under constant patrol by the local DNR due to this event. Anyone caught tresspassing, firing over property lines, or poaching will be prosecuted no questions asked. AND YES THIS MEANS YOU TOO! I'm watching."
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pm me your address bro i'll do it my way.the barta way.and a tube of suntan lotion.hahahahaaaa...really though contact the guys superiors and tell them what he's doing and it better stop as he's poaching.he'll get fired in 30 seconds unless his superior is one of them to.
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I always wanted to have a large stereo system in place for opening morning. Just imagine as pink light is ready to break in, and on comes Robin Williams, "Good Morning Vietnam" followed by some great loud/screaming good ol' rock and roll like Boston.
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There are a lot of evil non-violent ways to teach people lessons. If and when you get the picks and videos I would go on every hunting blog site and post, post on the DRN and other government websites that let you, put up laminated pictures of the guy and his buddies with a big red Trespassing Poacher on the pics all over the local area at every store with a stick up board. Grocery stores, drug stores, sporting goods stores, you name it. And just keep going by and posting pics as they are taken down. Get his plates and find out his name. Mail him, his wife and his buddies and their wives pics of their illegal activities ( anonymously of course.) Send the pics to the local District Attorney with a letter an request to prosecute. Make sure it is notarized! Send the pics and a letter to the head of your game department, the governor and your senators. Mail the pics to his pastor and complain politely about his unchristian behavior. Never get nasty, never get violent. Talk about him and his buddies to everyone in your area. Flat out make his life miserable. And, prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. The only way these things stop is when they are brought to everyones attention and the scofflaw suffers humilitation and financial loss.
If they want to play games. Superglue in the door locks, potatoes in the tail pipe, etc.... always are good for a laugh. A nice bright red poacher painted on his rig always makes a point. ( these are of course illegal actions ) Cut up letters from a newspaper then put together with kids glue left in their stands explaining what is about to happen to them etc.... etc.... etc...... When the law is abused and the CO ignores you the game is on!
As for being threatened or my equipment damaged. The law has nothing to do with my personal safety that superceeds the law and goes into my constitutional rights. When trespass is ingnored that is again a constitutional issue. When either is threatened, I know exactly how to deal with it. Tolerance of this behavior is why it occurs. Punishing it eventually leads to it stopping.
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I would invite my loud obnoxios Brother in-law to hunt and put him in a stand just on my side of the property line in front of their stands.
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We have the same problem a guy bought a house up the road from my house with 1 arce and thinks he got 1000 arces.My buddy caught him in his tree stand the first day of bow season last year and called the game wardon.Could not even get him to come out to say anything to the guy.My buddy ended up calling the game wardon 5 times and still has not seen him.Seems some people just dont care whos property they are on.
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Be very careful dealing with this issue. You could wind up being sued and LOOSE if you take the wrong approach. Besides landowners have been killed dealing with tresspassers or poachers. Getting pictures and letting the law handle it would be the way to go.........James
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Post the property and ghilie up and photo them and go to the local police not the CO.once they trespass they will be violating a non game law,and the local police can arrest if you prosecute.If they are instructors they are probably friends with the CO.
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Originally posted by PAPA BEAR:
just wait until you know he's there then take a couple big buddies with you and walk up to them/him and give him the message the punk needs to hear.ask him where he gets off hunting/poaching deer when hes an instructor of hunting ethics.then get ahold of whoever you have too and get his stupid ass fired from that position.dont take crap off poachers bro.GET RID OF THEM.
That's exactly what I'd do. Seems the older I get, the less patience I have for people that don't follow common courtesy...much less follow the "rules".
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What I wouldn't do is lose your head. At this point, the trespasser is in the wrong and subject to prosecution.
You don't want those tables turned. Take the high road.
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I'm retired wildlife director (KY). In fact I worked for your wildlife agency for 11 years and still have frequent contact with folks in the IDNR. If you will PM me I'd be willing to carry your case directly to the Director of Wildlife and the Director of Law Enforcment for you.
There is a lot of good, legal advice in this thread. I can appreciate how very frustrating this would be.
I would not want to spend my valuable hunting time staking this fellow out. Neither would I want to degrade deer hunting on my property to try to keep deer from this fellow's hunting zone. This is very difficult to do and could actually backfire -- an anti-hunter once drove a nice buck under my treestand trying to scare the deer into Potato Creek State Park (no hunting). I obliged the anti by taking the buck home with me -- thank-you very much!
Neither would I want to damage habitat on my property to discourage this guy. It takes a long time to grow trees. Anyway, if you create early succession habitat (undergrowth) by removing trees and opening up your property edge, MORE deer would spend time near his hunting stand.
Your first attempt was perfect -- pictures to the CO. If the pictures weren't clear enough, get better ones -- as you plan to do.
That this fellow is a Hunter Education instructor is important. I would definitely report his activity to Tim Beck, one of Indiana's Hunter Education Coordinators. If Tim knows him, pressure to behave could be applied. Again, I will do this for you if you PM me.
Finally, the first thing I would do is let the fellow know you are aware of his illegal and unethical behavior. Let him know you will take pictures (he doesn't know the quality of your pictures) to the Wildlife, Enforcment, and Hunter Education Director if he doesn't agree to follow the law he preaches.
Be prepared, a fine citizen like this might not care if his Hunter Education credentials are taken from him.
If I didn't get satisfaction with any of these things. I might consider adopting a fine mutt. Then I'd stake the hound with humane cover, food and water in the vicinity of this fellow's tree stand. I'd guard the dog with a hidden camera in case he decides to kill it - then he's in a heap more trouble! The dog will be very effective in keeping deer away from the fellow's area. Of course if this area is good hunting and you don't mind sitting up in the same area, compete with him and watch over his actions. Especially if the times he hunts are predictable such as opening days.
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We had a fellow a couple years ago set his stand up 20ft from our property line..faceing up my loging road...I found some real thin blouses in bright colors ,and soaked them in cheap aftershave...and hung 4 of them 6 to 8 ft off the ground and then I took old socks and cheap colone and put them under my no trespassing signs up and down my fenceline...did not hear a shot all season from his location he moved his stand after that.....
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If you know who he is, I would go over to his place, sit down and just talk with him.
Have a firm disposition, but be respectful and not angry. That should be your first response, imo...
If he's got any social or empathic skills he should learn from it, if not, you have the right to get angry ;)
-SveinD, Naive Norwegian ;)
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i was only joking about cutting down the tree while there in it. i would never hurt anyone unless they were harming someone i love. i by accident crossed a property line where there had been an old fence at one time. i was only 10yds. in, but still across. the guy left me a note saying if i didn't remove my stand he would call the game warden. i went to him an apologized. he gave me permission to hunt after meeting me. simply leaving a note might be all it takes. :readit:
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Tresspassing is inexcusable, illegal and he should be prosecuted, but it's Devil's advocate time.
What's the problem with hunting along a property line? If he's sitting in his stand, hung in one of his trees, and shoots a deer that's on his property, what is the issue? We all hunt the most productive portions of our available hunting properties. If the most productive area of his land is along the ******, what's the justification for denying him his right to hunt his property as he sees fit?
If asked, would you allow him to recover an animal from your property?
There is no property size limitations for bowhunting here in CT. I could hunt deer on my 2 acres if I choose to and be within my legal rights - out of respect for one of my neighbors I don't. Even on the 'larger' properties in town (40 acres) I can still see houses in all but one direction. Nearly everything is essentially hunting along a ******. I don't have permission to hunt the adjacent properties, but I do have permission to retrieve an animal (unarmed) from most neighbors.
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really? ****** should be read as "b o r d e r" in the post above
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That's weird... Wonder why b o r d e r is blanked out?
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A. Make sure it is clearly posted as no trespassing and no hunting at the state set requirement. In Ohio you have to mark every 10 yards or so I think.
B. DO NOT APPROACHED AN ARMED PERSON. If it ends with him deceased YOU WILL GO TO JAIL for instigating and approaching.
C. Take appropriate pictures (license plate etc.) and get DNA from their gut piles or have a wildlife officer do it so the chain of custody isn't broken. That way the Dept of Natural Resources wildlife officer can match it to the DNA of venison in their freezer.
D. Let the law handle it from there.
If none of that works; Then mark it to look officially quaranteened for Ecoli or some other nasty disease. ;)
***Above all, remember that your life is not worth giving up to an armed poacher and your family would miss you.
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Of course Jeremy is correct. If he's physically on property he has permission to be on and doesn't shoot an animal standing on property he doesn't have permission to be on, he's within his rights and the law. If he shoots a deer, on "his" property and it moves to property he isn't allowed to be on, then he has to get permission to recover it. If permission can't be gained, the warden could be contacted for help. This is no different than if someone is hunting in the heart of a tract they own and shoot a deer that moves to other property. In the east, it is a rare propert that is large enough to contain a deer, especially a poorly hit one that happens to make a beeline for the boundary.
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Lots of good advice here, but some of it I might not do because it would no doubt end up ugly or tragic for somebody, maybe me. For what it's worth, I hope if I get in a bum deal like this with a just plain bad neighbor where I hunt, I think the posts from Bowwild and buckeye hunter will be the ones I try to do.
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I would be squirrell hunting when they wanted to deer hunt.
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the deer do not go on his property.the deer he shoots are on my property when he shoots them.and this act is illegal.attempting to recover game without permission from another property is illegal if you do not gain permission,they do not have that.his property is a back yard not hunting property.they ripped down a property fence that was there since the 40s,so they could cross right where their stand are,this guy is a real doozy..and he is teaching his kids this behavior so ill have to deal with his kids too in the future.so i think ill just climb up in his stand and say fair is fair
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Originally posted by Zradix:
That's weird... Wonder why b o r d e r is blanked out?
I think its because B o r d e r s is a book store and some commercial names may not be allowed to come up on the thread
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I would also contact the instructors association and get this guy removed from the program. This type of behaviour paints us all with a bad brush.
Most instructors are ethical people who want ot help out. he's NOT helping.
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Everybody should have a friend like Bowwild!
Take him up on his offer, it sounds like real help from somebody on the inside.
Just me, but I would not take the responsibility of adopting an animal, and then leave it confined in a place where I thought someone might kill it. If it is in my care, it is my responsibility to protect and nurture it.
The word being blocked out is the name of a bowyer who has been banned from the site. :rolleyes:
Just thank your lucky stars that it wasn't a more common term, like "hunter" or some such.
Killdeer
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I rent several hundred acres for hunting in Iowa, between me and a friend who originally rented it we have been on the property for 7 years now. The land had been in CRP for several years and the owner did not live on the property or hunt it during the season so of course all of the locals had free run of the place. The first year we really had lots of trouble with trespassers and poachers, some sat in our stands and shot deer while others drove 4x4s along the field edges with guns hanging out the windows.
It seems like ages ago, now we simply dont see anyone on the land anymore.
I personally went and talked to everyone I saw on the property and I can tell you 90% of the people I talked with were sincerely sorry for trespassing. Most remarked that they had hunted the property for years without incident and had no idea that it was now being rented. I can honestly say only one group proved to be uncooperative. We called the local law enforcement and DNR on them and met with typical resistance to prosecuting locals. In the end I made sure I was on the property enough that it became inconvenient for the trespassers and poachers. Im sure word got round that the guy renting it was not friendly to trespassers as well.
Go talk to this guy, let him know that you have pictures of him, let him know you do not appreciate it and you will use every legal means possible to discourage his behavior.
And if that fails to correct the problem...
I know this may seem like a harsh solution but my advice would be get out on your property more often, stay longer, invite trusted friends or family members to go on the property as well. The less convenient you make it for them the less apt criminals will want to be around, they will simply move on to easier prospects.
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Patrol the fence line and confront them. Ruin their experience. They will move on to "quieter" places to tresspass...
Get yourself strapped and be ready if things go sour. It is YOUR property. Would you let some stranger camp out in your back bedroom or on your deck?
Your going to have to handle it.. Let the cops clean up the mess or do the paperwork afterward. Know your legal codes and stay on the right side of them.. Prosecute them all..!
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Have you thought about shooting at them or maybe land mines
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There was a scent company that had a blocking scent. Come to think of it, there is Deer Deter, smells like rotten eggs. Did some rags in it and drap on limbs down the property or in a semi circle near his stand. Then hang some cheap aluminum pie pans like wind chimes near there. The sight of the shiny, spinning, and noisy pans has been a proven deer deterent near illegal hunt sites. And of course, keep taking pics, set your cameras high with a ladder facing down for your pics.
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Here is another idea to disable the 4 wheeler. Get yourself a 2x4 run some hefty nails through it so they stick up. Place the board nail side up on your property just across from their opening. Place a sign that says beware of nails. When they drive over it retrieving their poached deer their four wheelers will be ruined on all fours. You can also get some of the insulation board (the pink stuff) Place it in the trees directly across from their stands so they can not see on to your property. Those sheets are relatively inexpensive and can be replaced very easily.
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This is a very bad situation.. the real way to go about this to first talk to them calmly tell
your side of the deal
second pictures video car and truck plate numbers
dates times keep a log invite some friends over to hunt for back up and more vitneses..very important.keep a log of events.. notify law enforcement several times insist they come out ...
trespassers with weapons ...
this is a long a frustrating process ...
if all this fails you file a civil action in court.. all these snide comments dont amount to a hill o beans... and will only get you in trouble.......
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ive been thru this here in south carolina,, dog hunters had the run of the state..its only just starting to change here...
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There is some really good advice from a few here.
Also some just plain ignorant comments.
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I have a hunting club on all sides of my property.One group put stands on our line all around two sides of me but facing into their land. I had none on the line.I was not very happy but their property.Last year someone put up one on the line facing my property b/c behind theirs was too thick and I had a bottom so he had to shoot a deer on me.I saw one of the members and told him it was a slap in the face to do what he did to me b/c I had never given them any problems and had offered them to fill up with water whenever needed.It was moved the next week.My point talk to them before drastic measures taken often may work out.Kip
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Ask the warden or other officials, what they need to make a case. If they put you off, ask your attorney and then follow his advice.
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You have an in with the former director who posted on this thread. Let him help you.
Lots of good advice here is true. As for not knowing what were doing. The Army spent a lot of money teaching me how to make people miserable and capitulate with little effort or manipulation. Poachers and trespasser beware.
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Uh, I like Indiana. I can drop by and chat with them. Send me a plane ticket.
Actually, if you know who it is then don't confront them. It will probably turn to a bad scene.
Send him a letter. State that someone has been on your land and you want any information he can give you about "who it might have been". Act like you have sent out several letters to several local residents.
State that when you find out "who it is" you will report them to the police.
That should be enough to have them "move on"
Matt
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If your law enforcement is anything like it is here it is a total waste of time calling them about anything that's why we have to get very serious and put the fear of God in them where we hunt
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You have your answer. Use the inside help offered to you. Let him help as much as possible. Most talking of injury are kidding but let us keep it real. No one should be injured or killed here including you. Let him do his thing & continue to get photos & it will resolve.
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A friend of mine and his dad were hunting there farm here in Alabama and his dad walked up on 3 guys gutting a very large buck.
They took off running and he fired his gun in the air a yelled for them to stop. The guy who shot the deer is the one who stopped.
The deer was laying over 500 yds from the property line and the game warden said the buck looked like it fell where it was shot.
These guys hired a attorney and one of the reason's i think is because my friends dad is very rich, owning over 12,000 acrs of land and also a very successful construction business.
He is also a very prominate member of the community and im sure they figured they could get him to settle out of court.
I never knew the excact amount but my best friend told me it was just under $200,000 dollars.
So before you take the law into your own hands i would remember there's lots of people who will do strange thing's for money these days.
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Everyone seems to forget this guy is a hunters safety instructor. Talking to him isn't going to change his ethics or values. No matter how you stack cow patties they're are still cow patties! Practice what you preach! Like stated previously that is one of the Ten commandments of hunters safety. The best advice on here is from the former game official who offered to help. Lots of funny solutions but this could get ugly very quickly! If he knows you know, he will.just find another way to be a cow patty. It's a shame for sure but that's life. Goodluck!
Magnus
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Trespass laws vary from state to state. You need to know what your law says.
Then you need to keep the references to it; so an officer with a dim memory will understand what your saying.
These guys are from what you say; on their property- shooting deer on yours.
In this state- you can only tag an animal that you have legally taken. That does not mean the first guy to the animal; and it does not mean that if you illegally shoot an animal you have any legal claim to it.
However- here is this state there is a law about 'chattel' (a movable item of personal property, as a piece of furniture, an automobile, or a head of livestock).
You have a right here to retrieve your chattel from the property of another- that is; if your horse or cow or donkey or other property goes onto another persons property - you have a right to go on that property to retrieve it.
Here in this state- game animals have a monetary value; a deer is worth $250 ; and elk $500 - so they can slap you with that value if your breaking the law and poach one; or leave it to rot.
So- according to ~some~ fish and game officers here you have an express ~right~ to retrieve your game off the property of another.
But - like I say - its not YOUR property until you legally take it- that is to kill it. Then if you let it lay- you can be fined. So retrieval of it to protect your property - your chattel - is legal.
Now using an atv or a truck or however - leaves the person doing the retrieving liable for the damage he does with the machine.
If the fish and game officer looked at the pictures and said they were not good enough to identify the people in them- he is a slacker.
He could have gone over to the people and said quite accurately that 'pictures were taken of the offenders; and that is why I am here talking with you' ; followed by 'this time the land owner is going to wave his right to prosecute you: but in the future- we will use the evidence I have preserved from this case - in addition to the new case against you- and that will mean two violations per person.' 'Stay OFF that mans land unless you have written permission or legal action WILL be taken against you!'.
HOW MANY POKER GAMES ARE WON WITHOUT THE HAND BEING SEEN?
But it could well be that the officer is a relative of Barney Fife or that he knows the person your dealing with; and is covering his back.
Going the route of the ex-employee that is willing to help- seems like the best idea.
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well i fallowed the advise of one and put the wanted signs with their pics at all the grcery stores and the conservation clubs,come to find out he is no longer a safety instuctor..so now we play the head games with him and do it legally