I have been a trad shooter with wooden arrows for a while now and pretty much know what I need in woodies, however I now fancy having a stab at using carbons to see how they work for me, trouble is, there are a lot out there to choose from. I shoot an ACS CX 45@28" with a 27" draw and mainly 3D field.
My question to you guys is this...have you got any real good experiences with particular carbons? Can you also please tell me why you reckon they are good and how you have set them up, fletchs, points etc...price not really an issue but clearly I'm not looking to pay insane amounts! Thought I'd come to the best place I know for decent advice...so whatd'ya know?? Thanks
this would be better posted in the pow wow instead of the classifieds.
Thanks, not certain how that happened, pilot error I guess, anyway it has now landed correctly!!!
A Heritage 150 cut to 28"s with 225 grains of point weight would get ya about dead on!! Leave them 29"s and use that 225 up front and cut back a 1/2" at a time until ya get perfect flight! Shawn
Why are carbons good? Uniformity! Once I know my arrow set up I can repeat it endlessly with minimal effort. Shafts are readily available and they are either straight or broken. This list is endless. I love wood arrows, I just don't love the maintenance and work it takes to make and keep them straight. Plus carbon is tough. I have yet to break a carbon while stump shooting. I breaks woods on a semi regular basis stumping.
I'm with Shawn on this one. I've tried Gold Tip, Arrow Dynamics, Vapor Carbonwoods, those pricey Alaskan tapered carbons, and a couple others, but have found the Carbon Express Heritage a superior arrow.
I've used the CE 150 for 45-55# bows and the CE 90 for 35-45# bows. I have found them very durable and easily adaptable to my set-ups.
Thanks guy's, appreciate the help so far.
I shoot the Easstons fmj alloy and carbon and the GT ultralight. This is so far the best arrows for me.
Have been shooting GT for the last 2 yrs and no problems. For your set up probably 3555s cut to 29" The weight you will have to play with but 145gr up front for me or so. I am still pretty new at this so take my advise at your own risk.... :)
I've shot Carbon Express and Gold Tip. GTs are generally lighter than CXs from what I've seen so I've added weight tubes to them. However, GTs are about half the cost of CXs. You can't go wrong with either, though. They've tuned well for me and are durable.
I went to GTs 6 years ago and haven't looked back. I've lost more than I've broken. I'm still using several from the original dozen.
Another vote for GT 3555's. You're probably going to want enough point weight so that your balance point is 2/3rds of the way from the nock to the point. I'd try them full length with 125gr point and shorten, and increase point weight, as necessary to get them to fly the way you want.
Beman MFX Classic 500 or 600. Excellent shafts! Durable and straight and skinny, for better penetration. Also, not too light in weight.
I am a 3D archer too and at the moment I shoot a Cari-bow Peregrine 45#@29". Goldtip Traditionals 35-55 at full length (30.3") with a wrap, 4" helical fletching, standard nock and insert and a 125 grains fieldtip fly great.
I choose the GT Traditionals because I like the woodprint, they are very tuff and have a nice price.
Besides of that: Goldtip has a very nice system of weight-adapters, I used it a lot. It allows you to tune your arrows while shooting.
I'd have to agree on the Beman classic MFX shafts. I've gotten the best/most consistent arrow flight from them, and they are skinny and heavy (for carbons).
If you want to try ultra extreme FOC I'd recommend the victory v-forceHV shaft which uses the same insert size as regular 5/16 carbon shafts but are much lighter...kind of funny buying ultralight shafts to make heavy arrows with.
Lots of help...lots of arrows...will need lots of time off now to go shooting! Keep it coming guys! :-)
Hi Antonio,
I am planning to build an Ultra-EFOC arrow using the Victory HV shafts. Would you mind sharing your complete bow and arrow set-up? Also, would you mind sharing your opinion of them?
My concern with 400 up front is that the 300's may be too stiff and I should opt for the 350's. Stu's calc has the dynamic spine of my current shafts @ 47.9. Inputting the Victory HV350 gives a dynamic spine 4.9#'s below the 47.9 and shows that the 300's should be my pick. There seems to be little info on TG regarding these shafts. Your feedback would be much appreciated.
Bow - Habu
Draw - 51 @ 28 - actual draw is 28.5
Shelf - 1/8" past center(I use -1/16 for Stu's Eq)
Current Arrow - Beman Hunter 400 with 300 up front and 25% EFOC. (~564 grains.)
Best regards,
Scott
My advice is listen to Shawn. CE 150's.
Beman MFX shafts are extremely consistent in spine, weight and very durable as well. I have used them for awhile and believe better ones would be hard to find.
CE heritage. You get the same look as GT but with added weight. I have shot both but like the CE better. Personal pref but I would stick with one of these.
Friend,I recently made up some Victory V Force .300 arrows for a Bear takedown with Rose Oak limbs,same weight,draw length and centershot as yours.They seem way stiffer than the Vapor Pro .300's that I had been using for that bow.I have 424 up front on the Vapor Pros,including,point,inset and footing.28.9 % FOC and 714 grs total.
The Victory arrows needed 458 grs up front.This turned out to not be a bad thing as they are now almost identical in weight to what I am used to shooting but 31% FOC.I have made some hard hits and side slaps with them on hard materials and they seem every bit as tough as Gold Tips and Vapor Pros.
CE 150 heritage
GT Trads (3555)all the way for me, good price, super tough and fly great.
I add 3 Rivers weight tubes and 100 grain brass inserts for about 600 grains of arrow weight.
Grizzy Stiks 500 or 600 Banshees
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Beman MFX Classic for me.
Beman bow hunters are a great shaft for not much money. They are very consistant.
GT trad are a decent arrow, stronger than the Beman, but I find them weaker in spine than a comparable 500 spine shaft. They also have a little bit more range in spine tolerance from what I can see as well as maybe a slight stiff side or seam. I get some odd stuff with them, but I shoot the blems so maybe that is what you get for half price. I love the blems, but wouldn't get this shaft for full price. I would go Beman for cheap arrows and CE for when I want rally good ones.
CE's are the best quality and strongest. I love this arrow, but only shoot them when it counts. I don't just fling them around when I could lose them. I do plan to do some stumping with one to see just how durable they are.
I absolutely love my Beman classic MFX arrows they fly the best and penetrate like crazy.
I to would like to try carbon. I have a widow recurve. 57@29-29in draw I now use alum. 2413 xx75.Would like to try carbon express. But what size? Thanks for your help.
Burt
JimB
Thank you for the constructive feedback regarding the Victory shafts. I plan on setting up a Victory HV 350 and 300 in the next couple of weeks.