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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Tom Anderson on August 11, 2010, 02:25:00 PM
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2-blade?, 3-blade?, 2-blade w/ bleeders?, etc., etc,.
For use on 400-spine carbon arrows...
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I'd go with a good 2-blade. My best friend's daughter killed a 100+ lb whitetail doe, pulling approx. 32-33@25 using an Ace 2-blade. Total arrow weight was a little over 400 grains.
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I have found sharpness is much more important than the configuration so I agree with LBR. I go two blade as I find them the easiest to get scary sharp and easiest to touch up frequently just to be sure they are still scary sharp.
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razor sharp two blade.
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The smaller Zwickey Eskimo has killed a number of deer for my wife and kids through the years. The Grizzly has been working just as well for her. I am not a fan of shooting excessively heavy arrows out of lighter weight bows for whitetails. Getting the arrow straight behind a smaller diameter broadhead has plenty of penetration with anything that is of reasonable weight. I like the Eskimo for how easily it is to maintain a shaving edge for almost anyone with a little practice.
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There are many good choices out there. I too prefer a two blade. Magnus zwicky grizzlies are the ones I have experience with. All excellent heads. Magnus heads sharpen easily and have a lifetime guarantee. Make sure they shave hair and you'll be fine with what ever you choose.
Good luck!
Magnus
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2 blade all the way and make em razor sharp :thumbsup:
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I dont know your setup but I'd think a .400 spine carbon is gonna be WAY too stiff for your 42# bow.
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Originally posted by Fishnhunt:
I dont know your setup but I'd think a .400 spine carbon is gonna be WAY too stiff for your 42# bow.
Nope. Been shooting .400 carbons for years through my 40#-50# bows. Though, I draw 29-1/2" and leave them as close to full-length as possible. I can tune the snot out of an arrow, though, and when I'm done I could shoot mine without fletching if necessary. (FITA background and a flawless release help).
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BTW, does Zwickey have a website? I'm having trouble finding info. on exactly what sizes/weights they offer.
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Not sure if they do. Most of the sponsor's on here will have what they offer. Good luck!
Magnus
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I was thinking what FishnHunt stated. I'm shooting 53 lbs with 300 up front and .405 deflection. Unless you draw length is 38 inches to get that 42 lbs your too stiff.
Bowmania
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My wife got a pass thru on a mature bear and a four pointer shooting a 4 blade Muzzy Phantom from her 46# @ 26" DAS recurve.
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125 snuffers will work just fine......blew through two different does with my daughters 40# and 1916 shafts. Great-"short" bloodtrails with both.
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I'm a four blade guy, but at that weight I'd definitely go with a two blade. The Magnus stinger has a really small bleeder blade if you want to try them.
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The Magnus I two blade I think would be a great compromise of penetration and tissue damage given the one-and a half inch width. .400 spine does sound weird, but I'm not you so perhaps your shooting style or bow design requires a lot of spine. But if it were me, I would utilize a wide two blade.
Good luck,
Ethan
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I'm with the 2 blade crowd.
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I would try the two blade single bevel. I shoot 47# and shoot them thru Texas bucks( avg 100#). The arrow falls out when they take a step and I shoot the 1 1/2" wide single bevel.
I would shoot the 500 carbons or Trad Lite's which group BH's good at 40 yards for me. Ken
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2 Blade and the choices are many. I have a great deal of respect for the STOS Head.
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Two bladed and SHARP! My back-up is a homemade longbow 44# @ 29" with 2014s and Grizzlies.
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2 blade all the way.Magnus 125 have worked great for me.Also the Zwickey eskimo you cant go wrong. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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2 blade is my pick too....................
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WHAT are you planning on shootin!!!!!!!!!! And what is your draw length??????
42@26 is a lot different than 42@32.
The game you are after makes a big difference also. I'd suggest a totally different head for javies than I would elk. Just asking what head for a certain bow weight is not enough info.
I'm also surprised no one else asked.....and instead just sided with 'a crowd'.
Sorry if I offended anyone, but broadheads are tools, you need the right one for the job at hand with the equipment being used. Its not one vs the other.....or 'joining sides'.
Again....what are you wanting to kill Tom and with what draw length?
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One of my two bows is a 66", 42# @ 30" Blacktail TD recurve. It's cut 3/16" past center with a 14 strand Dyna97 bowstring. The riser is 19" long and the limbs are 23 1/2" long. The nocking point is 5/8" high off the shelf with a 7 1/4" brace height. Since it's cut 3/16" past center, it will shoot a variety of differently spined arrows just be changing point weight. Yesterday, I found it will shoot a 32" BOP 2117 aluminum arrow tipped with a 220 grain point weight. The entire arrow weighs 657 grains and it's deadly accurate out to 20 yards and it's pretty flat shooting for such a heavy arrow. I attribute this to the long limbs in conjunction with my long 30" draw length.
I plan on using a STOS 145 grain 2 blade glue on broadhead glued to a 75 grain screw-in steel broadhead adapter. Should be a deadly arrow since it comes out to 15.64 grains per pound (GPP) with 16.5% FOC.
The STOS broadheads are very tough, the tips don't curl and they fly like a field point.
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Originally posted by Bowmania:
I was thinking what FishnHunt stated. I'm shooting 53 lbs with 300 up front and .405 deflection. Unless you draw length is 38 inches to get that 42 lbs your too stiff.
Bowmania
I think it will depend on a few factors. He may be shooting a long shaft with a lot of weight up front. Also, if his bow is close to center-shot, it will handle a much stiffer arrow. I'm quite sure I could get that spine to shoot good with the right equipment.
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If I was deer hunting and I think you said a 29" draw I would shoot a big two blade or a woodsman.RC
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Two blade Magnus II , Zwickey,or Bear razorhead.
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Very good point Terry. No punn intended.
Magnus
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well here's my two cents worth, i've been shooting less than 50# for over 12yrs. didn't know about foc, or gpi. i've shot magnus, bear, and steelforce in two blade sometime with bleeder blades, sometime without. killed over 28 deer and two bears and only had maybe two pass throughs. only had one that went over 50 yrds. some may not agree, but i believe they dance around inside. when field dressed there organs are nothing but mush. most go less than 30yds. i'm certianly no expert, i do AGREE, razor sharp blades
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I personally really like the old Bear Razorhead with or with out the bleeders. My father has been killing deer with them for the last 30+ years. His bows have ranged any where from 40@29 up to 53@28. He draws 29.5". I have killed many with this broadhead, but none from trad gear. Nice short tracking every time, provided you do your part.
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Thanks RC...I went back and saw his 29 and a half inch draw. If that is the case he's got nearly the same as a 50# bow at 27 inches.
Now all we need is what he's planning on shooting????
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Gosh, I didn't realize that this was going to become an arrow spine issue - I've just always used .400's full-length and sometimes .500's if I cut 'em back such as when using a clicker on my FITA bows.
Anyway, I'll be bareshafting some of the rascals tomorrow to see exactly what I'll need. I'm not a fan of a really heavy arrow with loads of weight up front and prefer to shoot a broadhead in the 100-125 gr. range.
Plan on shooting southern whitetails exclusively, through my new Whisperstik MojoStik that I had JD Lund cut as far past center as he felt comfortable doing. I'll post some pix soon of my juniper beauty...once I get things dialed in.
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oops -double post
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I shoot bows in the 42-36# range with Woodsman broadheads, 125g total arrow weight around 500g. No problems.
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I shoot a 40# A&H longbow and a 42# BlackCreek recurve, I use STOS 160-190 broadheads. I shot them yesterday on Gold Tip Trad 1535s and they fly like darts.
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I shoot 45lbs@28 & 43lbs@28, with a draw of 29.25", arrows are 30" long with 125gr, snuffers. arrow weight about 483. Great arrow flight and get pass throughs on Wisconsin Whitetails.
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My wife hunts at 44# and she shoots the 125 grain Muzzy Phnatom they fly great and very tough
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Zwickey Eskimo, Magnus II, Stinger 2 blade, Eclipse 125, etc ...
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smaller and sharper. Cut on contact two blade.
Even though a bunch of different styles would likely work, I personally would set someone up with a Zwicky Eskimo, or Magnus II or similar, or even something like a First Cut modular head(I think that was the name).
More important. . . Hit them where you are supposed to. KNOW WHERE you are supposed to hit them. (see Terry's thread above). This knowledge is not passed by genetics but by teaching.
ChuckC
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Definitely 2 blade.
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I shoot 27.5" Beeman MFX Classic 600 spine at my 25.5" draw and 46#'s (at my draw). I use 70 grain brass insert with a 100 grain, 2-blade "Helix" single bevel broadhead. I use 3, 4" feathers. The arrow weights 424 grains.
I shoot recurves. Broadheads and field tips impact the same spot.
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Originally posted by bucksdown:
well here's my two cents worth, i've been shooting less than 50# for over 12yrs. didn't know about foc, or gpi. i've shot magnus, bear, and steelforce in two blade sometime with bleeder blades, sometime without. killed over 28 deer and two bears and only had maybe two pass throughs. only had one that went over 50 yrds. some may not agree, but i believe they dance around inside. when field dressed there organs are nothing but mush. most go less than 30yds. i'm certianly no expert, i do AGREE, razor sharp blades
I had a similar experience with my animals in Africa. I shot a compound then, but the results speak for themselves...a complete pass through is nice, but as long as you have proper penetration you'll find your animal.
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2 blade very sharp and most important be sure it stays sharp while your using it :cool: