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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: browningcobra on July 30, 2010, 12:21:00 AM
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My 15 year old son experienced heartbreak today, his Samick Outlander delaminated while shooting. It was only a year old.
I'd like to replace it soon, as deer hunting is just around the corner.
Which bow, the Martin Savanah or the Bear Montana?
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I see you are from Arlington, if you go up to Riverside Archery in Mt.Vernon they have the Savannah there. Or at least they did back in may when I was in there. They are more than happy to let you shoot their bows. They are a Martin Dealer and have a pretty good selection of trad bows now, everything from the real cheap stuff up to the Hoyt recurves.
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What weight bow are you looking for? I've got a RH 66", 56lb @ 28" Robertson "Mystical" I'd be willing to part with. I'm just a little south of you in Snohomish.
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I've never shot a Savannah so I can't speak to it at all but I can tell you that in my opinion you would be hard pressed to find a better handling and shooting longbow off the non-custom rack than the Bear Montana.
The Montana has to be one of the most underrated production bows for the money.
God bless,Mudd
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Martin Savannah all the way. The bowyers that make them at the Damon Howatt plant have been in the business for over 30 years. I checked one out this spring and loved it.
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Thanks for the comments. The Robertson sounds interesting, but, might be a bit more than I can afford. Interesting viewpoints, similar to the replies I got on ***********. Thanks for the heads up about Riverside.
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Originally posted by Mudd:
I've never shot a Savannah so I can't speak to it at all but I can tell you that in my opinion you would be hard pressed to find a better handling and shooting longbow off the non-custom rack than the Bear Montana.
The Montana has to be one of the most underrated production bows for the money.
God bless,Mudd
Same exact thing I was thinking.
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The first longbow I hunted with was a Savannah, it was a good shooter. I bought it used and it was worth every penny that i paid for it. I took five deer with that bow
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I've owned a Savanah and shot a Montana, IMO the Savanah is a much better bow.
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I would go with the Savannah,bought one when they first came out and still have it today.Great bow in my opinion.
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I owned a Montana 55# for a while. It was a decent bow, but I did not like it too too much... I just got a Savannah and love it. I am shooting pretty consistently with it out to 30 yds. Its a fast shooting bow for a longbow and feels so much better in the hand... I think that is the most significant difference between the two, the grip. The Bear grip is a notched out straight block, where the Savannah has a smooth shaped pistol-like grip. The Savannah grip allows for a more consistant bowhand position in my opinion. I noticed shooting my Bear that my bowhand would fatigue faster due to certain pressure points that just aren't there in the Savannah grip. I can shoot that bow all day! Also, there is handshock when shooting a Montana but NONE with the Savannah. Lastly, the Savannah is just gorgeous. Zebrawood limb laminations, bubinga riser. It really is a custom, handmade bow for a production bow's cost. I'd say, Savannah all day...
Oh, and its easy to tune.
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Here's Mine:
(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae222/mrpenguin777/IMG00195.jpg)
And here's how it shoots @ 20ish yards
(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae222/mrpenguin777/IMG00215.jpg)
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I've heard lots of praise for the Montana on here and personally I don't see it. I would take any Martin bow over any Bear bow all day long. You can tell the people at Martin care.
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Originally posted by Red Beastmaster:
I've heard lots of praise for the Montana on here and personally I don't see it. I would take any Martin bow over any Bear bow all day long. You can tell the people at Martin care.
Exactly. Larry has dated used Martins for me on two occasions and always been super helpful.
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Having shot both... the Savannah (for me)
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I've shot both, the Savannah all the way!
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The folks at Martin do care. They have great customer service, I know the owners and they are great people. I just chatted with Gail at the WSR and he is the same great guy he has always been. The bow shop in Yakima has been in business for a long time and most of the bowyers have been there the entire time. The few new guys are learning from master bowyers. It ends up with a great product at a factory price.
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I've owned both. I'd pick the Savannah. That said, the Montana is a great bow for the money. But not in the same class as the Savannah.
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Savannah all the way.
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The Savannah is the way to go. I shot one for a while and really liked it. Then I got a Lost Creek...
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Being a normal in stock bow I'd suggest going to a dealer that has both and shoot them side by side.
If you have a little time see how long the wait would be for a MADDOG.
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Zradix has it right. For half the price of a Savannah, you could order one of MADDOG's Mutt long bows. They normally don't have a wait time (according to the website), and are $225. I would check with him first.
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Shot both, liked both , the Bear can be had cheaper most times. Still have a 50# Montana that I have done some work on to make it fit me better. I'll most likely never get rid of it, it shoots that well!!!
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I went thru this when trying to by my own first longbow! Wasn't sure which one at first, the Savannah was a real nice looking bow, the Montana a plain jane...... I went and shot them both......... I went with the Montana because of the hand shock, there was none! I personally couldn't see shooting a bow with hand shock for long periods of time, heck, for short periods of time for that matter, there is no need for it! At the time the Martin was selling for around $500 and the Montana I walked out the door with for $240 on sale, a no brainer for me, cheaper, quieter and no hand shock....done deal!
I'l never sell my Montana......
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I appreciate the input. I have an opportunity for a used Robertson. ?
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If the Robertson is at a poundage you can handle and a price you can afford it might be the way to go. It will have better resale if you don't like it, just my opinion. Any one of those 3 and a host of others will make for good times afield!
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I have shot all three and the Savannah for me shot best. The Bear shot good and for the price is hard to beat. The Robertson would have to be a heck of a deal. I`ve only owned their Mystical and shot the Purist and while they were decent shooters they were no better than the Savannah at nearly 300 bucks more.RC
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Originally posted by Red Beastmaster:
I've heard lots of praise for the Montana on here and personally I don't see it. I would take any Martin bow over any Bear bow all day long. You can tell the people at Martin care.
Lot different as far as cost too. For the money, you can't go wrong with the Montana. You can get one just about anytime used for 200 bucks.
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I shot my friends montana, it was an experience I will never forget. It had so much handshock it was painful, downright miserable. This was an early model and maybe the new ones are better, but I would go for the savannah.
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the savanna is a much better bow hands down ...ive shot both and theres no comparason in the two .
on another note i here bamma bows is quite the bow and considerably less in cost. very short wait.
:bigsmyl:
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I think I found a Savannah, used for $250 if you are interested. A friend of a tradganger I know well is selling it. If you are interested, PM me and I'll put you in touch. For that price, you really couldn't go wrong with the Savannah, it really is an awesome bow!
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I read this thread when I as searching around for info and decided I "needed" a Savannah at 60# for my first longbow. With my mind made up I went and shot a handful of production bows over the last few weeks to be sure I was on the right track. I agree with all the comments about the fit and finish of the Martin bows, and I'm sure their reputation is well deserved. The Savannah is a beautiful bow, and they can really punch out arrows!
But then every time I picked up a Montana it would throw the arrows right where I wanted them. It does feel like you are holding a 2x4, and the arrows are moving slower, but I've decided to get the Montana just because it just feels so natural to me. It turned out my big question was 45# or 50#, not Savannah vs Montana!
I'm not trying to stoke the fires on some Martin vs Bear holy war or anything, I just wanted to encourage people to go shoot the bows they are considering buying. Especially for noobs like me who can get easy access to these production bows at any Bass Pro or Cabelas. After my experience, I don't think I'd buy a bow (new or used) without putting a few arrows through it first!
(Apologies to all if digging up old threads is bad form around here.)
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Whats your draw length, if you shoot a bit over 28" and this is your first bow I would go with the 45#'er. If your a bit under 28" I'd go 50#. Just my opinion. I'm also a Montana fan!!!
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Thanks Ron, I draw 30" so I was thinking I'd look for a 45# Montana that I could put some arrows through. Seems like the box stores only go down to 50# on these bows so I might have to go back to 3 Rivers.
The only 45# I've shot so far was a PSE Sequoia, and that is a bow I didn't like at any draw weight I tried. It was easy to hold at full draw, but I wasn't sure if it was the 45# or the 68" that made it so...
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With a 30" draw 45# would be my choice,that would put you around 51# and that my friend is all the bow you need to get started. If deer sized game is what your after you would never need another bow unless you become like me and like to try all kinds of stuff.....lol!! Whatever you do remember....have fun!!
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Savannah is one of the best longbows at any price.
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On Martin's Savannah longbow. Mine is 45#. It was noisy with the factory string. A B50 and fir balls, set at six and three quarters of an inch brace (after stretching) solved the noise thing in spades. I'm using 30 inch, 500/3555 GTs, wearing 125 gr. field points. A personal touch...I used pieces of an old leather work glove to make my own rest and strike plate stuck on with a little glue. Keeping the factory plate and rest for later? 1/6/17
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the montana lb i had was a lights out shooter smooth quite and flat out deadly they are deff underestimated imho
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I have a extra nice Savannah 45# from the Larry Hatfield era. They still had the tapered lams and the picture of the Acadia Tree on the limb back then. It is a smooth quick bow.If you are interested. Ken
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I think you'd be doing great with either one
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No experience with the Savannah but I've had a Montana 50 for about 9 years and I've been very happy with it.
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Just got a Howard Hill Wesley Special. FYI 50#, shoots the same as my 45# Savanah using the same 420 grain 500 spine GT arrows (175 fps). After only a few days of shooting it, I'm liking it. Very lite, very quiet, but takes some form "adjustments" none of which are big deals. No more vibration than the Savannah.
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Give strong consideration to Jim Belcher's moderately -priced deflex/reflex Trophy Hunter 66" longbow. About $350.
I have one. Draws 46#@ my draw length. Maple limbs, black glass, and what looks like bubinga riser. It retains a "D-shape" form when strung. Quick bow, quiet in the hand. High value longbow.
Email Belcher Bows. Belcher used to have the Trophy Hunter listed when he had the Sky Archery website. I don't see it on their website now. I DID email Jim Belcher about a month or two ago-still makes it. He is a board sponsor-check out his website on the top of tradgang's page.
Very happy with my Trophy Hunter. I have shot the Bear Montana. It's a nice bow. The Trophy Hunter was a better bow, imo.
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Who undead thread lol