I was tuning up a Quinn recurve tonight, had several endless loop strings from the maker, D-97 and I thought I should use one of them, no sense letting them dry rot. I have been twisting them up myself and have had very quiet, great performing strings on my bow and 4 other buddies. Well the endless loop shoots fine, but is 5x louder! I mean like a banjo string with wool puffs in it. I then took one of my flemish string off another bow, same length, and shot the bow, quiet as a mouse. Both strings are shot in, barely, and the same silencer set up, pads on the limb tips, limb savers. Just wondering if any of you guys had noticed this also.
Not for me. When made properly both can be excellent, when not either can be loud.
I have found flemish to be slightly quieter, but the amount of padding around the loops seems to make more of a difference to me.
The end wrap on an endless loop string, if it's made out of a hard material like monofilament or perhaps some of the harder fast flite materials, can make more noise as it slaps the bow limbs on release than a flemish string. But a flemish string made of the harder ff type materials can also be noisy on a recurve. Either can be quieted with some mole skin in the string groove and/or wrapping the area of the string that touches the limbs with wool yarn, and, of course, string silencers.
I got the same results as you did Sam.
Its all in wat kind of material it is
I really haven't noticed a big difference in noise(maybe a little louder for the endless) but every since I learned to make flemish twist strings that's what I have stayed with. If you just want to use them up then maybe use them for practice or back-ups.
I have found flemish to be a little quieter on one of my bows, but find that endless is better shooting for me on the other. I use B50 and can't really tell much of a difference in noise level. :archer:
I can't really answer this one with any honesty because it's a mute point since I tend to be an old fuddie duddie sticking with what I know works for me and what I like.
I'm not suggesting anyone else should be as stubborn about such small things but it doesn't much matter what kind of new string material comes in with a new-to-me bow, I make up a new Flemish twist string out of B-50 immediately.
Then again no one ever accused me of being the brightest bulb you could buy.
God bless,Mudd
Properly made, comparing apples to apples, flemish has always been quieter for me. However, I've never heard anyone accuse an endless of causing a bow's limbs to twist like I have with a flemish. :biglaugh: :laughing:
Either one will get the job done, and like most anything else in this sport you'll get varying opinions. I suggest sticking to what works best for you. I shoot flemish 99% of the time, except when I tinker with an endless for business purposes. I made both, so I'm not biased from that standpoint.
Chad
In my experience material contributes more to noise than string type. I have found B50 strings to be quiter than high performane strings on whole.
I'm with Mudd. Doesn't matter if I get a bow new or used, first thing I do is make a B50 flemish for it. I have a pile of brand new strings still in the packages that came with new bows. I do use Bill Pfleger's strings from Vermilion RIver.
I make my own flemish and endless, and once did a comparison on a Wallace Mentor. On that particular bow the endless performed better speedwise, but there was no noise difference.
I have switched out strings today, same material, same silencers, wool, and the Flemish D-97 is much quieter that the endless loop, on two different bows. The endless loop does have the braided stiff serving on the loops, might be making the noise where it slaps the limb, even though padded with felt.
I give the edge to flemish strings as well for quietness in general.Doesnt mean its an absolute.
I have tried numerous string materials,strand counts,silencer types and flemish and endless over the last few years.My quietest strings especially on recurves have been flemish twist.
Thiers certainly alot of variables to play with when it comes to finding the perfect string for a particular bow.Different bows do react differently in my experience to string material,strand count,how many strands are used to pad the loops,Silencer material and placement of that material,What brace height is best for that string and whether its endless or flemish etc.
No difference for me. I can make a good endless far easier then a good flemish.
It seems to me that over the years the quietest bows are the ones that are well tuned. A slight difference in nocking point or brace height can make a significant difference. I just got a new set of Border limbs and had trouble getting them quieted down. I raised the brace height 1/8" and it got very quiet. I had made an endless string and thought that was the reason as I had been shooting mostly flemish. The sweet spots on these limbs turned out to be different than on my Winex limbs.