How about it? Anyone ever used them or heard any results?
I'm hunting in idaho, in Sept. Are they legal?
Can't tell you if they are legal in Idaho, but I do know of one in Quebec that didn't go far when I ran a Knife River point through his chest ;)
Stone points are deadly :thumbsup:
Yup, throw rocks at them and they will not go far.
Can't think of a better way...unless you forge your own broadheads ;) Doc
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Here is a link to the Fish and Game rules http://www.fishandgame.idaho.gov/cms/hunt/rules/bg/rules.pdf
From what I understand it only addresses that there are to be no mechanical broadheads. And that they must be wider than 7/8" and not barbed. Do your own checking on it, but it didn't state that it had to be made of steel.
What area will you be hunting?
Good luck.
Heck Yea STONE POINTS (made by TG Member Woodie "Knife River" Blackwell) work on Black Bears like WHIP & TIPPIT I have successfully Harvested 2 Black Bears In Canada with them and am a Member of TEAM Knife River as well.I also was successful on another Black Bear with Stone Point made by TG member TED FRY.
American Indians made a living using stone points and many a bear including Grizzlies and Polar Bears have died from them over the millenia.
put it where it counts and they will zip though a blackbear. i have a couple of woodie's points that hopefully will bring down some pigs and a scrub bull in the next month. stone is amazingly good at cutting flesh! you wouldn't think so when you rub your finger along the edge of a stone tool but if you've ever taken to an animal with a stone knife you soon realise why the ancients survived and thrived......it cuts!
That is what I found. No barbs and not less than 7/8" wide. How about this one? Think it will work? It will be out of a 62"ntn 55lb @28" sinew backed Osage longbow.
It is 312 gr, 1" 3/8" wide, 2 1/2" long. I'll have to chip the barbs off though.
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I think one a little more 3 to 1 ratio would be a better pentrator. I'm a beliver in Kniferiver's take on what stone points work.
This may work better.
Bears and deer are about the same thing as far as what you need to kill them. I don't use stone points cuz I don't know how to make em, but I wouldn't hesitate to use them.
I'd use a head a bit smaller ...but if it flys good and not to far ... go for it...Jeff
As to size, these have all shoot right through black bears for me. When I first saw Woody's stone head mounted, I thought it would bounce off...Wrong :) Doc
Left to right:
Team Tippit forged head 300gr
Woody's stone point
Wensel Woodsman 125gr with 110gr steel insert
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What did that stone point weigh?
You need to find out how your state defines barbed.I think that head would be considered barbed in a lot of states.There should be plenty of good designs that wouldn't be.
Idaho regs state that it has to be 90 degrees to the edge I believe.
Yeah I think this head is a little too wide and not tapered enough. I have some that will do better. My selfbow is 55lbs @28.
I was going to bring my BW recurve and my selfbow. Two tags.. two bows.
I prefer a side notch like the one shown. I would go for about 1 1/8" wide and about 2 1/4" long. I also like the hafting area no thicker than 1/2 the thickness of my shaft. Any thicker and it is not supported and will split or break the shaft if it hits bone. I also prefer a beveled edge, it will leave a little more strength in the point. Bill
I have a flint and two obsidian points that will fit the bill I believe. Shot the flint point yesterday. It is on a rivercane shaft I cut with wild turkey feathers that I harvested. It shoots well out of my selfbow.
Here is the flint point.
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A Dacite point.
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The tiger striped obsidian point at 4 o'clock.
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I shot a 275# black bear last month with one of Woody's heads. The head was a touch longer than 3" and a bit wider than 1 1/8". It weighed 214gr. for a total arrow weight of 590gr. on a tonkin cane shaft. This combination flew well out of my 48# osage-sinew bow made by Ted Fry.
How did it perform? How thick is a bear hide? Like deer?
I can't help you out on info here other than that I've had more luck shooting clean through bears than deer. The average of the bears was a solid 100 lbs heavier than a mature whitetail and still had better penetration results. Arrows just seem to zip through bears like butter. The stone points will work great in my opinion...Ryan
That is exactly what I wanted to hear.