The IBO worlds is coming uup and every year I always wonder if the archers of the past, Hill, Pearson, Wilhelm brothers, to name a few could compete against the new top archers of today. If you could bring them all back for a week and give them the new bows with FF strings and carbon arrows who do you think would be the greatest of them all. :confused:
Ken Wilhelm I feel could not only compete with the archers of today but dominate, especially in a 3-d situation and with todays bows and carbon arrows. you have to look at the shots the man was cabable of making with wood arrows and solid wood bows..... same goes for all the others mentioned as well, but im kinda partial to the Wilhelm bros....
They would probably do better using the equipment they were familiar with :D ...Van
just give em' a couple days to get used to the new stuff and see what would happen......
What's the IBO Worlds?????????
They would not be likely to be any better than the best of today. The folks at the top don't miss often. There is not alot of room to be much better.
I would think Howard Hill would walk away with it. Then I would bet on a tie Fred Bear & Ben pearson.
Howard Hill in his prime.
I think they would get off track talking about old times and then start messing with each other by shooting the heads off dandelions and passing bumble bees and get disqualified.
I think Preston, John, and Don would smack talk them down to their level! I'm guessing HH would be right there at any point in history.
Who has won the most,without ever losing one?
Howard Hill won 194 field tournements straight but quit competing as he wanted to be a hunter, not a tourney archer.
God is the Greatest. As far as archery goes, I think they would be equal to the best today. They were just the best at the time and started the ball rolling with archery. Innovators. No better, no worse than any of the best today, just earlier.
QuoteOriginally posted by Biggie Hoffman:
What's the IBO Worlds?????????
:laughing: I am glad you asked Biggie, now if someone would just answer. :laughing:
Here ya go: IBO Trad Worlds
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=94;t=001566
http://www.ibo.net/newsDetail.php?n=40
Ohhhhhhhhh...no wonder I never heard of it.
Not to start a debate, but IMHO... In viewing the old films from the 50's on DVD (Hill and Bear), although Hill was a great shot on the range, the best ever in fact, I would say that Fred Bear was a better hunter. His films show what appears to be honest shots, both hits and misses, at wild game in fair chase situations. In Hill's films, there appears to be wires or snares holding game still for the shot. I have watched them in slow motion, and several of the animals where tied by the leg to a wire, you can see it moving across the grass. And I read an account in a vintage archery mag about Tembo the Elephant being shot in the leg with a rifle, essentialy hobbling him so Hill could get close enough to shoot him with an arrow. I wish that I had never bought the Hill films. Hill was one hell of a shot, but Fred Bear is THE #1 MAN in my book!
*1926/Art Young in Alaska; much more primitive film equip. than Hill had in 1950 Africa, but no snares or hobbeled animals, just pure hunting and archery skill!
Archery is a learned sport but great archers IMO have a a gift or genetics that make them a cut above. Whether he would win or not my vote goes to Mr. Howard Hill.
Hit-or-miss
Please don't judge Hill from the realities of film making when he made 'Tembo'. In those days you had to carry an 150 pound camera and a tripod; and your camera settings were determined by the use of a light meter- you went over to where you were taking the picture of something; and got the light reading; then went back and set your shutter speed and openings.
It is nothing like the cameras that came out later that were easy to carry and forgiving of lots of light conditions.
To shoot a movie of an elephant hunt; you would have had to sneak up to the elephant and take your light meter reading; then sneak back to film Hill shooting.
Hill was showing what an arrow could do- even to an elephant; and was not able to do that any other way than he did.
Fred Bear was a great man; and well loved by a lot of people including me.
I think though Wilhelm would be the one that would show us a thing or two: and go back laughing.
God is the Greatest :notworthy:
QuoteOriginally posted by Hit-or-Miss:
Not to start a debate, but IMHO... In viewing the old films from the 50's on DVD (Hill and Bear), although Hill was a great shot on the range, the best in fact, I would say that Fred Bear was a better hunter. His films show what appears to be honest shots, both hits and misses, at wild game in fair chase situations. In Hill's films, there appears to be wires or snares holding game still for the shot. I have watched them in slow motion, and several of the animals where tied by the leg to a wire, you can see it moving across the grass. And I read an account in a vintage archery mag about Tembo the Elephant being shot in the leg with a rifle, essentialy hobbling him so Hill could get close enough to shoot him with an arrow. I wish that I had never bought the Hill films. Hill was one hell of a shot, but Fred Bear is THE #1 MAN in my book!
Interesting, I have the Tembo dvd coming from Netflix this week. I will pay close attention to this.
I read this and cringged.
as i and everone has there own oppion,
but MR. HILL. is and will ever be the
WORLD'S BEST ARCHER..
NO DEBATE NESSESARY...
Hill was the best, if you have any doubts read this link please The legends story. (http://www.howardhillarchery.com/the-legends-story-4.html)
Let's turn that around and say the top archers of today have to make their own equipment and use self bows, linen strings and wood arrows, and shoot with the masters of years gone by.
Now how ya betting on that one.
What Hollywood put out and what Hill did on his hunts are two different things.
Ishi!
What about Mr.Ferguson? Seeing him shoot it out with Howard Hill and Lajos Kassai would be brilliant!
Who cares
all those old timers were awesome but im curious as to who is the best today
QuoteOriginally posted by mattmcdonald:
all those old timers were awesome but im curious as to who is the best today
When competing against myself I am!...LOL
:coffee: Man let's throw in a 2 blade vs 3 blade and a recurve vs longbow debate in here too :) This one could be around for awhile. It's a long way to fall.
If i din't have to work all the time and chase a two year old around before i practice the playing field might be even.Ya think those guys worked a full time job and then practice or was practicing their job?I'd like to think they had a little more time on there hands than those of us in todays ratrace.How many bows ya think Rick Welch makes a day and still whoops tail on a regular basis.The greats of every generation are great,some are just talked about more than others.I think todays champs could hang.
QuoteOriginally posted by Danny Rowan:
Howard Hill won 194 field tournements straight but quit competing as he wanted to be a hunter, not a tourney archer.
He quit because he was tired of being accused of cheating because he always won. He would even let the others take his score and pull his arrows and they still said he was cheating so he just quit because it took all the fun out of it for him.
This topic gets debated in all sports to no avail. There simply isn't an acceptable answer. Could Magic Johnson compete with Labron James? Could Frank Shorter out run Ryan Hall? Can Hoyce Gracie compete with Matt Hughes? No. As was shown in the ring. We evolve. The sport evolves. Equipment evolves. It's okay to say that they are legends for what they did in their time. To compare them to today's shooters is really unfair. Heck my kids are doing work in 3rd grade that I did in 5th grade. Each generation takes it to the next level - and that's okay - even good.
"Can Hoyce Gracie compete with Matt Hughes? No. As was shown in the ring."
Yeah and neither could his brother.
Howard Hill was the man in field archery!! Hate to watch his videos cause( Yes) you can see the wire on the animals leggs..
Fred Bear was a great shot too. Though I think he was alittle over rated as a hunter?? I think some of us could do just as well..if we could afford to hunt all of those places back then for monthes on end..
Lebron James is the best :laughing:
What kind of bow does he shoot?
The best probably died 10,000 years ago?
How long is it until hunting season??
I would say Mr. Howard Hill, but in that era there was alot of great archers as well, the wilhelm brothers, andy vale, capt. can't remember his name, mr wensel does. Hugh Rich was a good shot in his own right. But I would still have to go with the greatest, Mr. Hill, few are and still are confident and can grab a bow and shoot whatever.
Hugh Rich was a big fan of the Wilhelm brothers, Ken and Walt. He said they were the best shots he had ever seen....and he saw them all. He sent me this autographed photo of Walt in 1983.
(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Walt_Wilham.jpg)
That is a neat picture Ron; and as well the inscription is worth squinting for.
I do have to wonder (as a horseman) about his horse- Walt must have disliked being bucked off as much as I do... :archer:
QuoteOriginally posted by Don Stokes:
How long is it until hunting season??
:clapper: :clapper: :goldtooth:
My thoughts exactly!!
God bless,Mudd
If he didn't like being bucked off he wouldn't have ridden a paint. :bigsmyl: :biglaugh: