I field tested the new German Silver Flames broadheads being produced by Alaska Bowhunting Supply. This pic is of a 75# boar I shot with the ABS German Silver Flame XL (1 1/2" cut 180gr). Heads came razor sharp and ready to roll in a neat package that is very handy. The heads are Almost identical except ABS ferrule is a 1/32 shorter which i like and ABS logo.
Blade is of same 440 stainless and proved to hold that legendary edge. Note above entrance wound, i shaved the hair back on the boar hide ( between my Kanati Quiver and broadhead) after it went coast to coast broadside. Head
stayed razor sharp. It appears IMO, ABS has duplicated the quality German Kinectics was built upon. I would get my order in early :) .
ABS German Silver Flame XL is top and German Kinectic Silver Flame XL is bottom.
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jmb1221/ABSgermansilverflame.jpg)
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jmb1221/absgermansilverflamehog.jpg)
and is the cost any lesser? :thumbsup:
impressive looking head and hog !
You the man Joebuck.RC
good looking head
:thumbsup: Thanks joebuck.
Are they on the website yet? Looks like it. Get your review on there joebuck.
Did Marcus sell German Kenetics to ABS?? A friend of mine just got a whole bunch from Marcus last week.
Hey- what are those arra's and why is another one broken in the quiver?????? Unless that's the one you used to shoot it?
Nice looking points.
The arrows look like FMJ from easton.
Arrows are ABS Alaskan Griz Stics. Other arrow got broke on another hog I killed that evening.
yup those heads are killers for sure. But you need to be unconcerned about costs $$
Were are they being made at now?
I'm not sure. Jason but I was impressed with the tight tolerances between the heads I tested. I just resharpen 2 back to original razor sharp in less than 1 minute per head on the Griz wheel. I love working with 440 stainless. Not sure if anyone in states makes broad heads out of 440. Most use another grade of metal
Nasty! I like it!!!!!
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but until somebody can answer my question, I'll continue to ask it. Why is this broadhead better than any other shaving sharp broadhead in some people's opinion? Maybe I just don't get it, but, if I shot a Silverflame through an animal, I would feel the need to re-sharpen it, just like any other head. There are plenty of other broadheads out there that have good blade thickness, can be re-sharpened easily, and are half the cost for 6 broadheads than compared to 3 silverflames. I guess I haven't met the right salesman yet. Keep in mind that I'm not saying the silverflame is bad, I'm just saying that there is just as good out there for alot less money. The funny thing is, is that I'm not even a tightwad as far as hunting equipment goes, but this just hits me the wrong way.
two arrows, this thread was started to give German Silver Flames customers some feedback on the transition ABS has made taking over the production of these popular heads. I gave my hands on opinion on how the head preformed as compared to the original. No where in my thread have i claimed this head was the latest greatest. Your question about expensive heads I guess boils down to a personal choice. We all have our own opinions. But I can tell you this there is a difference in 440 stainless sharp and other metals. This head would cost a fraction of what it does if it was made from your normal broad head steel. I had a short career as a butcher but long enough to appreciate good steel. That's pretty much it, expensive metals drive up the cost of these and other similar BH.
I have noticed the price has gone up from Markus. They are now $90.00 and used to be $65.00. They also don't offer or don't list replacement blades.
QuoteOriginally posted by wv lungbuster:
Were are they being made at now?
China :rolleyes:
I like the Silver Flames and I also admire Marcus's quality, good steel and good German engineering = worth paying price. What I don't get is how you can go from German Engineering to made in CHINA and the price goes up???? Something wrong with this one my friends. While the rest of the world gets China to make their stuff for 1/4 the price of made at home stuff. The Alaskan's figure they can do the same and put the price up???? Something smells here as far as I'm concerned.
So Hunt-it i guess the BMW plant in Birmingham, Al doesn't produce a german engineeered car? 440 stainless is i believe 440 stainless in any country.
Buff...how many 1 7/8" you want? any Market for them if they were available?.....i have 30 originals. May give Ed one to explore the possibilities.
Joe I have about 5 dozen but I bet you will not have any problem selling them. They are a great head
5 Dozen! you must have cleaned up the South Carolina well!...I'm trying to talk ABS into re-producing these. I just love-em...we'll see, keep up the great videos.
I have some old one to me there really good , shot 2 hogs with one arrows , easy touch up , still hunting!! Marco...count me in
Are the Silver Flames and German Kinetics two different manufacturers?
Jason,
German kinetics was the company that manufactured the silver flame broadheads.
Now they have sold the bh company to alaska bowhunting supply(ABS).
Joe,
A BMTROUBLEU is what it is wherever it is made. However, if they make them in China for 1/4 the price by paying cheap labour/parts I'd expect the end cost to user to drop, not go up. My point being if Marcus could make them in Germany to xtreme high standards, the low standards and labour costs involved with Chinese production should reduce cost, not increase it. In this case the end user should not be paying for the purchase costs of buying the German Kenetics Corporation.
Well you make 3 times the profit when you get them made for less in China.Why would you lower the price when you got guys that buy 5 dozen of them and don't care what they cost? ;) :biglaugh:
German Kinetics has there own website and it stats 100% Made in Germany. That why I was asking if there are 2 diff manufacturers.
Marcus is still selling them directly from Germany as well, my friend just got shipment from him other day?????
"In this case the end user should not be paying for the purchase costs of buying the German Kenetics Corporation"
Really. I am not aware of any entity that is not going to charge enough to recoup their investment cost in addition to charging enough for a modest profit over manufacturing and marketing costs...other than perhaps our well run federal government.
I'm just going to stick with my American Made Broadheads, there cheaper and stick in trees just as good.
This is not a slam at ABS but when I look at their website I get the feeling they are selling high end stuff to guys that have a lot more money to spend than I do. Most every one of their products are way too pricey for me to even consider buying from them when there are as good or better quality supplies readily available which are much more affordable.