What is ultimately better a slower heavier arrow or a fast light one??
For hunting, slower heavier, for target and 3d, faster lighter.
Agreed i use about a 480grain head. what do you use?
Depends on what i'm hunting, if it's just deer I'll take the fast light one provided it is tuned well(and sharp of course)
Does your arrow go through bone? particularly the back of the shoulder blade?
9-12 gr./lbs draw weight. Added weight up front to up the FOC is a good way to go. Practice with the same arrows.
My heavier spined arrows make my bow quieter upon arrow release than when I use a differently spined lighter arrow. This is why I use a heavy arrow.
I am shooting 625 grain beman ics bowhunter arrows in 400 spine with 275 grains up front including the insert. They are cut to 29" and have a foc of 21.5%. I was able to get the weight up there by using 250 grain field points and 3 gpi weight tubes. That equals about 11.3 gpp out of my 55# recurve. They fly like darts and hit my bag target with authority. This will be my setup for everything this summer and fall. I am confident that if I put one of these arrows tipped with a wicked sharp 2 blade Magnus II broadhead through the pump station, it'll be bad medicine for the deer. Good luck with your tuning.
For my 53# Griffin I'm using CX Terminator Selects 45/60, 160 gr point, 125 gr steel adapter (285 gr total), 100 gr brass insert, 3-5" Shields. Finished arrow is 29-7/16" BOP, 678 grains, 27.2% EFoC, and 12.6 GPP.
With this set-up I can drop point weight to 235 gr for a 628 gr arrow or down to 187 gr for a 580 gr arrow and still get great arrow flight. The 678 grainer is the sledgehammer of the butch, but all fly like lazer guided rockets.
Mike
My elk setup 55# Border hex4 29'3/4 75/95 traditional gold tips 300 gr up front 665 gr total going to use 160 grain grizzly ...on deer i will drop down to about 490 gr total...the heavy arrow feels soo much smoother on release,make shooting fun ...
Im usin 175grain stowes with a 50grain insert. Beman clasics 10.6 gpi at 28in arrows. So my arrows come out to be about 530grains. relatively heavy. so far they have been great for axis and deer as well as pigs
I try to keep mine around 11.0grns per lb with my big bows and around 9.0grns per lb on my smaller bows.
whts the weight on your smaller and bigger bows?
Smaller bows are 45lbs up to 65lbs. The bigger ones are listed in my sig.
I go with heavier. This is not my analogy but I like it.
Which would hurt more, getting hit with a ping pong ball thrown 90 MPH or a golf ball thrown 70 MPH?
Wow those are some heavy weights. Usually the only bow i shoot is my acs adcock 54@28. The arrow still moves very fast out of the bow. The limb design gives much more speed over some other longbows i've shot
I put the weight tubes and heavier field tips on and in my arrows on monday and have been shooting them all three days and now I am only hitting either dead on, high or low. No more left and right misses now that my arrows are spined out correctly for my bow. I am getting the feel for the new trajectory a little more with each practice session so I should be pretty dead on out to my 25 yd. comfort zone on deer by september.
I used too shoot several different weighted arrows during practice. i hav decided that you can't get a true instictual shot without using the same arrow over and over
hmm wonder what the poll is
For my 55@27 recurve for deer I shoot and axis500 with std alum insert and 200 gr ww(460 gr total 8.1 GPP) for elk this year I'm using
an axis 400 with 100gr insert and 200 gr WW(570 gr total 10.3 gpp)
So you use a pretty light arrow for shooting deer. I can't get over the fact that people that shoot compounds are just now learning that a high FOC and a heavy arrow are the key to penetration not speed.
how about a 440gr. arrow out of a 44# recurve:) thats my setup for everything. deer to hogs
"Which would hurt more, getting hit with a ping pong ball thrown 90 MPH or a golf ball thrown 70 MPH?" (Mitch-In-NJ)
Great Example
"Which would hurt more, getting hit with a ping pong ball thrown 90 MPH or a golf ball thrown 70 MPH?" (Mitch-In-NJ)
Great Example
Remember to reach full draw with heavy arrows!!
im thinkin golf ball lol
I practice and shoot arrows in the 10-12gpp range. I'm not really concerned with speed but prefer a properly tuned arrow regardless of weight.
so regardless of the weight? so say its a 120grain arrow with an 85grain broad head there wouldn't be any concern? not tryin to sound pushy just wanting to know
shouldve made a poll for this
My first priorites are a quiet well tuned arrow. If I can get that and still have spped I'll take it. On the small texas whitetails I hunt I want to shoot as flat as I can(even if it is only to 25 yds)At 8gpp I still get very quiet. If 450gr is deadly out of a 45# bow, it is even more so out of a 55# bow
QuoteOriginally posted by Axis Hunter:
So you use a pretty light arrow for shooting deer. I can't get over the fact that people that shoot compounds are just now learning that a high FOC and a heavy arrow are the key to penetration not speed.
Because they got caught in the speed race.....Only reason for more speed out of an arrow is longer distance. Most animls are shot at 20yds or less. Way I see it if you want to shoot fast use a rifle. No arrow is ever gonna come close to the speed of a bullet. The firearms industry went through this same deal(some people don't learn from old mistakes). They went for all out speed to figure killing power and forgot that projectile weight and construction are also a big part of the picture.
i agree completely brinkwolf its basically like shooting a rifle though. u put the site on them, pull the trigger and thats it
Besides all the bone smashing and penetration pluses a heavy arrow offers, the way they quite a bow down is probably the biggest upside. My Griffin when shooting a 500 grain arrow would zip the heck out of those arrows but bow was not quite. This is with no string attachments. Once I got to 580+ grains she became whisper quite. With the 678 grainers, it is dead silent.
Just means all the energy is going into the arrow. Fast is fun but heavy and slow is the ticket.
wow you shoot really heavy arrows whats your bow #age
60" McCullough Griffin 53#@28
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Currently, I'm working up some EFoC arrows for my 60" LaClair Grayling Spirit RC (59 Kodiak) 62@29, but I'm pulling just a tad over 28.
Early indication seem like I'll end up with a 732 grain arrow. EFoC around 26%, 12.5 gpp. Bare shafted this past weekend, but now have to fletch up some shafts and see how the plane. With this set-up, I should be able to shoot a 682 gr arrow and 635 on the lower side.
Mike
very beautiful bow
460 gr is not a light arrow for deer.
A ping pong ball weighs 2.7 grams.
A 16lb bowling ball is 7256 grams - 2688 times heavier.
The question should be then bowling ball at 90mph or ping pong ball at 241,920 mph.
Or you need to compare say a 400 gr arrow to a 1,075,200 gr arrow. Got one of those for the test? :D
My arrows for my light bows run around 500 to 650grns plus and the arrows for my big bows go over 750grns. It will change the weight on the heavy arrows when and if I change broadheads(225 to 300grns single bevel heads).
Heavy for me.Which hurts more a rock or a feather.LOl
Heavy at close range it works just fine
I use 525 (carbons)-604 (laminated birch) gr arrows out of my 51# Hill bow. She is silent as can be. At the Compton shoot the guys shooting with me kept commenting on how silent it was, and also how poor my shooting was too. LOL
I prefer heavier arrows.
i like 10 gpp give or take .5 . hits hard gets there with authority to boot.
Depends on how quiet the bow is.If the bow is quiet enough to hunt with using a lighter weight arrow I see no need for adding more arch to the flight for things like deer.They are easy enough to shoot through with about anything.If the bow is too noisy I will add arrow weight to get it quiet enough or switch to a better bow.I consider 500gns to be a heavy arrow for anything I am likely to ever hunt and doubt if I would ever shoot anything heavier no matter my bow weight.Just don't need it.
Just went and weighed my arrows for the first time in years to see if I was where I thought I was. I shoot tapered cedar with a 14" taper in the rear. I only draw 26 " so over all length is about 27 " Makes for a natural FOC arrtow. IM shooting 46 @26 My arrows average 510Grains with 125 field/braodheads. That is about 11 grains . Makes for a very quiet bow . good penetration and good flight. I have yet to see someone shooting less than 9 grains per, that didn't have some flight problems .
QuoteOriginally posted by Axis Hunter:
What is ultimately better a slower heavier arrow or a fast light one??
Not enough info about 'said arrows' to even attempt to answer that.