Trad Gang

Last Saturday I went to a traditional shoot at Bucktrail Bowhunters in Burlington, WI. Upon our arrival we were told compounds and range finders were allowed. Has anyone else had this experience at a so called traditional shoot? All the guys I went with said they would not have attended had they known.
Thanks!

No, never had that happen at a traditional shoot before that I have ever attended.  Although, I have been to many where traditional are welcome with everyone else, and those items are allowed and standard.  I no longer go to them.

Interesting that a trad club allowed compounds and range finders at a trad shoot.  Was is advertised as a traditional shoot?  I enjoy pure trad shoots for the comraderie and shooting with similar minded folks.  I also attend the mixed shoots a lot since I shoot 3D for practice and not competition.  Were the targets all at trad hunting ranges?

Interesting twist.  Was it a fun shoot or competative?  Seeing that I have never kept a score, I really don't care who shows up, though if it was advertised as traditional only, I'd be less than happy.  Many of my friends shoot wheels, and we try to do shoots together.

Our own club is struggling with its financial situation, and I know the leadership is pressuring the financially successful traditional shoot to open its invitation to wheels - that is not going over well....

sign of the times - unfortunately   :rolleyes:

If it is advertised as a Trad. shoot, it should be Traditional only.
Our local shoots here are open to all, and the vast majority or the compound guys are considerate, and let us shoot through.
We still have clubs that ignore traditional shooters, but they will take your money.

Here where I live compounds are the predominate bow shot. When I shoot 3D I have shot with the round wheels boys and find them to be just like us not a different species. I don't keep score or worry who shoots what,I am there for my enjoyment,period. Round wheels or trad who cares, we are archers.  :archer:

our trad club wont let you use a elevated rest or stabilizer....and we keep getting more and more shooters

oh ya and no binoculars

QuoteOriginally posted by cbCrow:
Here where I live compounds are the predominate bow shot. When I shoot 3D I have shot with the round wheels boys and find them to be just like us not a different species. I don't keep score or worry who shoots what,I am there for my enjoyment,period. Round wheels or trad who cares, we are archers.   :archer:  

Well said.  I tend to think that division among hunters because of equipment preferences only stands to hurt our past time, not promote it further.  I am a new convert to "traditional bowhunting" but don't have an issue with people that shoot what they like.  I don't like the elitism that is out there on both sides of the fence, modern or traditional.  I will shoot with anyone regardless of their chosen gear as long as they are fun to be around.  If the shoot is labeled a tradional shoot and for competion then the use of rangefinders and compounds with sights is an obvious advantage and shouldn't be allowed but if you are just there to shoot and have fun, who cares if the guy next to you is shooting a compound.  Just shoot your bow and let them shoot theirs and have fun.

A local club here had advertised a "Traditional Shoot." After showing up, we were told that they were not going to turn away members shooting compounds. The shoot was fine, but a little disappointing. We probably would have gone to the shoot anyways but, the shoot was not as advertised. I still don't know why it was marketed as traditional as it was no different than any other of their shoots.

Maybe someone could not finish drawing a line in the sand......You either stand for something or stand for all...thrive or die by it.......club probably needed the $$$...

My point is if you are allowing wheels and aids, please do not call it a traditional shoot. Call it an open shoot. I do enjoy open shoots also, but I know what to expect. I have a lot of friends who shoot compounds and I like shooting with them at times. Wheels generally take a lot longer to shoot. This club just did it for the Bottom line$$$$$$$$$$$$$  May end up costing them in the long run.
REGARDS

I certainly see Rodd's point.It was interesting to see everyone's feedback though.Is'nt it funny how at these shoots you never see trad shooters get frustrated,when allowed binoculars they opt out because it's not the contest that lures most of them.It's like minded folks who live for outdoors and stick and string simplicity.

Most of the local clubs in this area have ceased to function due to the economy, but when they did, I was often the only traditional shooter on the range. My experience wasn't quite the same as some of you seem to have had. Often, these guys snatched my bow away and wanted to shoot it. A couple even took up the trad bow.

Yeah, its a disappointment, perhaps, if it was originally supposed to trad only, but in the final analysis... quit bitchin' and just shoot your bow!

Ha this again!

Shouldn't we try to support the dying "sport","pastime" or "means one putting pork on the table" of archery.  I understand you were dissapointed that the shoot wasn't quite as advertised but heck few things theses days ever are.

Places are doing what they can to survive and yet people find ways to put them down while they are already lying on their backs, kicking for dear life.

I understand choosing not to shoot somewhere because they treat you like dirt, but not shooting somewhere because they are accepting of others?  C'mon! Really?

Crap! That's why I thought traditional archery was great! You people here are Top Notch and are nice to everyone who deserves it. I love this place, but without wheels, wouldn't it be just Archery? We wouldn't be any less special, just more common!  

Can't we acknowledge everyone serves a purpose? Cant we move past pettiness and promote "archery"?  Why waste time complaining about things that really dont matter? Why not give praise where it's deserved?

Thank you all Trad Gangers who helped the Mods sort through the auctions    :thumbsup:      :notworthy:     Awesome!!!


I had a bad day at work can ya tell? Getting off the box now!

QuoteOriginally posted by stevemfwills:
our trad club wont let you use a elevated rest or stabilizer....and we keep getting more and more shooters

So your club would not let me shoot my hunting recurve? And you would not let Paul Schafer shoot if he was still with us?

Can't see the positive here at all.

sorry about the rest we do allow rest my appolagies...thats my bad not the clubs i am so dumb sometimes

Most often when there is a Traditional only shoot here locally it is held on Sat and then all bows welcome on Sun.  If not a two day shoot then if it says Traditional, it means Traditional. Nothing against wheels.  Nothing against our friends who shoot them.  Simply put, the course is reserved for someone else on this particular day.  Thats all.

Rodd, you should have made the drive to Chippewa Falls. That was a great shoot. No wheels there. Good course, good food, and GREAT company.

The problem with the open shoots here in the North East is that they are so crowded. I really don't want to stand behind a group that is taking 15 minutes each target to shoot. If it is not crowded then I don't mind.

cyclic-rivers,  "just my thoughts" but isnt this a trad only web-site?

At our conservation club 3D shoots open to all but the normal is 2 trad shooters to every wheel shooter. Set stakes for every class. Half the trad shooters shoot from compound stakes.

QuoteOriginally posted by Cyclic-Rivers:
Can't we acknowledge everyone serves a purpose? Cant we move past pettiness and promote "archery"?  Why waste time complaining about things that really dont matter? Why not give praise where it's deserved?

Cyclic-Rivers, I think you need to be more open-minded and embrace the soft bigotry that is traditional archery (I hope everyone could hear the irony in my text).

Just My Opinion, of Course, Traditional is  JUST  what the Word Implies,  TRADITIONAL Only. Stick, String, and Wooden Arrows. Of course there has to be a Bend in the Strictness of the Rules, but  ONLY  to a Point. The Wheels  AND  RangeFinders are  NOT  EVEN CLOSE!!!
 I Fully Agree, Its  ALL  Our Beloved Sport of Archery. Just Throw a High Powered Rifle Hunter into a "Black Powder Rendezvous", and I betcha a Dollar to a Donut, he wont hang long. Do y'all see what I mean??   :readit:  
 We  ALL  Love Archery, Or BlackPowder, or whatever, there are just  Different   Definitions  as to the Participants in Certain Competitions. I am  NOT  trying to Discount Anyone here, but as was spoken Before, there has to be a "Bit of a Line Drawn in the Sand", and  THAT  should be  KNOWN  Up Front and Adhered to! "Unless the Club Needs the Money", sad to say its a Fact of  ALL  Small Clubs.
 The Small Club I belonged to had  EVERYONE   WELCOME!! on the Sign Out Front!  Just different Shooting Stakes for the Different Folks to Shoot From. And We  ALL  got Along.
  AGAIN , It was  STATED  At The Gate  "EVERYONE WELCOME!!"  So No Complaints from anyone being Excluded.
    If it were Listed as a  COMPOUNDS ONLY  Shoot, I wouldnt have considered going, but thats  ME . Cant say I Ever Heard of a "Traditional Compound", but hey, ya just never know!!  THEY  Made The  RULES CLEAR when they advertised it as a "Traditional Shoot", I Think. Maybe This Club  WASNT  Clear or Didnt Have The Hair to Stand  TO  Those Rules.  OR  didnt have the Turnout to make it Profitable for the Club. Either Way, They Should Have Notified that it had Changed to a  "Shoot What Ya Got"  Shoot...... Because......Whatever the reason.
   Ok, I will shut up now.   :goldtooth:

I went to this shoot with Rodd. All 5 of us that went were fired up for it, until we arrived and registered. We were asked if were shooting traditional or compound? I was like what? I didn't say anything at that moment, a little confused. I went over to their add on the board and, yes, it says Traditional shoot, so why were compounds there? Their words were.... a buck is a buck??? A very small attendance to boot, only one vendor present. Nice club, great course and good people but was bummed with the way it was advertised as a traditional shoot....

I go to a few shoots each year. Most times I'm not that impressed with the course or how its set up. I go , have a good time and make the best of it. I have become more fond of getting a couple of guys and going to stump shoot. Seems to be as good as practice as one can get and most times more fun.I'm going Sunday to a 3/D, I'll watch the guys with the field glasses and their chairs that they carry and the bow holding tripods and just hope they let our group shoot thru........... I'll have fun and eat a cheese burger at the end,may keep score may not. Just try to have fun at this game and try not to be disappointed when thing are not what they seem!

I'm not trying to ruffle feathers or stand on a pedestal!  Nor am I saying pumpkin cannons should be allowed at an air rifle competition.  I wasn't at the shoot and I may have been confused as well.  

If I was there Joe, I would have been thinking and feeling the same thing as you. You know, you and I think similarly I still own your old bow and bought another due to your "perfect one".   :knothead:  

On a serious note, Joe, I'll never love another bow!   :bigsmyl:

I don't see the point of using a compound but that'd just me.

Hey Charlie, ask Rodd how many of Johns Bows he has!

From a person that has shot both wheels and now taditional. The union of the 2 need to be held together for the sake of the sport. To continue our allegiance aganst the PETA pushers and all the polaticians who would rather see the stick and strings used as firewood.

 That being said.
Trad shootes enjoy shooting at trad only shoots. They don't like standing around waiting for the next 4 groups to finish the next target. The wheely guys bring there stools and sit around passing the time talking. Most don't even offer to let the trads shoot through.
  Look at it like this. if you put tennis players and baseball player on the same court. Not too many tennis balls would be left on the court, and too many tennis rackets would have bad strings from the baseballs being hit by them

I have no problem shooting with with folks that shoot a different b ow than I, they can shoot what they want, doesn't bother me one bit! My problem was they way the club advertised the shoot as a Traditional Shoot on their flyer! I was expecting something different! We go to a lot of different type shoots, open and trad shoots, they are all fun!

I hear ya Joe. That would have disturbed me a little too.  Hope you enjoyed the lemonade from all the lemons they gave you guys!   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    

It's like going to the store because a flier advertised Beer 1/2 off. When you get to the register they say Changed our minds, it's now only 5% off take it or leave it. Oh and sorry you drove all this way!    

I was one of the five that went to the shoot and yes it was disappointing cuz it was listed as a TRAD Shoot but allowed wheels and other things. we still had a great time, even though i got stung 5xs by BLACK WASPS and had to jump in the creek. LOL  and by the way i have nothing against the wheels, but then it should have been listed as an OPEN SHOOT, and since we been there before for one of there OPEN Shoots we could have gone someplace else.

My wife and I along with two good friends attended this shoot and, infact, have gone to it in past years.   We all agreed that it probably will now be the last time that we attend this particlular shoot.  Like most clubs in the area, ours included, this club is mostly comprised of compound shooters, with just a handful number of Traditionalist.    

Like Rodd said, it was advertised as a Traditional shoot, but in reality, was an open shoot.   The set-up was horrible for the typical traditional shooter (most likely set-up by a compound shooter who does not understand our style!!).  The majority of the shots were too long for the appropriate size target,  had you shooting through brush, and in alot of cases there was no limb clearance for your bow.

When asked how the shoot was when we finished, we told them the truth.  Hopefully it didn't offend them as we have known many of their members for quite a few years.  I have no qualms about shooting with compounders, but when you advertise a shoot as a TRADITIONAL SHOOT, keep it traditional only!  $$$ or not, we do at our club.