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Title: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on June 09, 2010, 07:01:00 AM
The 1K and MKC LLC's jumped on Ms. Delaneys pound cakes this year to offer up some $$$ for St Judes Kids. As all of you nkow, this is the 3rd year these two "organizations" have gone after it, with much teasing and probing to push each other to raise the most $$$ we could.

Well, ol put-his-foot-in-his-mouth has done it again. I made some comments about Chris that were totally unwelcomed and as sometimes happens with the written word, were also totally misunderstood.
Chris and Larry have both privately told me that it was over, raise money for the kids.  I can't put it behind me. I would NEVER say or do anything derogatory towards any vet.  Since I embarrassed them on a public forum, I feel like I should apologize on one.

To the Surtees family of soldiers and sailors;
My deepest, heartfelt apologies.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Mudd on June 09, 2010, 07:20:00 AM
This is a great example on how you "man up"!    :thumbsup:    

Roy L "Mudd" Williams


PS: Someday I promise I'll learn to use the preview function 1st instead of having to edit my posts.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: swp on June 09, 2010, 07:22:00 AM
:clapper:    :clapper:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: pdk25 on June 09, 2010, 07:38:00 AM
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Whip on June 09, 2010, 07:40:00 AM
Very upstanding of you Biggie.  These darn computers don't convey intent very well, and the way a thought rattles around in our heads sometimes doesn't come out the same way on here.  

They don't come any better than the Surtees clan, and I know that in reality you have the utmost respect for them, as does every person on Trad Gang.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: vermonster13 on June 09, 2010, 07:58:00 AM
Tone doesn't always convey well on here and somethings are out of bounds. We don't always know what those things are but when we find out this is the right thing to do. Good on you Biggie for apologizing.

Chris and Larry are great folks who take their service seriously. The family has it's third generation in combat now and that is a true family of American heroes.

  :clapper:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: hunt it on June 09, 2010, 08:06:00 AM
Big of you Mr. Biggie. All of you are outstanding citzens of TradGangville! I commend each of you for your dedication to the kids of St. Judes. It is because of many folks like yourselves that mountains become molehills and the kids are so fortunate for your efforts.  :notworthy:    :notworthy:    :notworthy:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: jacobsladder on June 09, 2010, 08:33:00 AM
sounds good ...now go shoot some arrows   ;)
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Jmgcurve on June 09, 2010, 08:47:00 AM
:clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: metsastaja on June 09, 2010, 08:56:00 AM
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii45/heilakka/emotions/factory/bean_waiter_clap_sing_birthday_song.gif)
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: rastaman on June 09, 2010, 09:01:00 AM
That's awesome!  Good on you Mr. Biggie!
To the Surtees clan....  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Larry Surtees on June 09, 2010, 09:04:00 AM
Thank you!

It came over "wrong" and as most any father would do, defend the family's name!

However, it's over and done, and let's move on!  The final night of this great Auction is tonight and it's a chance to make history!
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Mudd on June 09, 2010, 09:18:00 AM
Larry Surtees    :notworthy:    :notworthy:  


  :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:

Great example! What a wonderful way to lead!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Ragin Bull on June 09, 2010, 09:33:00 AM
Though I've never met Larry, Chris or Biggie I know that they all have huge hearts. Both for the kids and as brothers who love to shoot traditional archery.
I have the utmost respect for all of you and really hope that someday our paths will cross.   :notworthy:    :notworthy:    :notworthy:    

You are all welcome at my    :campfire:   anytime, anywhere.


  :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: BenBow on June 09, 2010, 09:35:00 AM
Man you guys have given me goosebumps. Men of honor you are!
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Izzy on June 09, 2010, 09:40:00 AM
:notworthy:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Steve Clandinin on June 09, 2010, 09:40:00 AM
Its the true reason your called Biggie,many don't know.I am as bad as anyone but only say things jokingly and as fun and entertainment for all.St.Judes I think can attest as to what kind of people we really are here on Tradgang.NUGH said,now go eat your cake!LOL
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Stone Knife on June 09, 2010, 12:24:00 PM
Some times things said in fun can be misunderstood I have a way of doing that myself. But when you clear the air in public everyone should understand then, way to go Biggie.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: gregg dudley on June 09, 2010, 02:30:00 PM
Proud to know all parties.  Good men, all.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: ARCHER2 on June 09, 2010, 02:51:00 PM
Top notch folks all the around!
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Northwest_Bowhunter on June 09, 2010, 02:56:00 PM
It's good to see how real gentlemen handle misunderstandings and disagreements.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Killdeer on June 09, 2010, 02:56:00 PM
I am so proud to be allowed to walk among you all.

Killdeer   :campfire:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Chris Surtees on June 09, 2010, 02:58:00 PM
Thanks Biggie but this was not necessary

Not very good with words but like the email said it is over and forgotten.

No need to say anymore about it.

See you in camp this year.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Guru on June 09, 2010, 04:02:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by gregg dudley:
Proud to know all parties.  Good men, all.
Couldn't have said it better    :clapper:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Craig Schoneberg on June 09, 2010, 04:03:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Killdeer:
I am so proud to be allowed to walk among you all.

Killdeer    :campfire:  
Yes! what Killdeer said . . .
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: elkken on June 09, 2010, 04:18:00 PM
:thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: John3 on June 09, 2010, 04:39:00 PM
Two words-- "class act"...!
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: hayslope on June 09, 2010, 04:55:00 PM
Some fine folks here........  :campfire:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: owlbait on June 09, 2010, 06:08:00 PM
And here I thought I was the only one who shot his mouth off around here! Thanks for taking the heat off me for awhile Biggie. Somebody said it best"Way to man-up". Can I apologize here in advance for anything said in the past or possibly in the fuTure?
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: doug g on June 10, 2010, 06:58:00 AM
Way to go, Biggie, Larry and Chris you all handled this with great class.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Marty on June 10, 2010, 07:52:00 AM
Biggie- I've been waitin for an apology from you for years and you go and kiss up to somebody publicaly. You gettin soft in your old age?

I can't take any more of this suck up to Biggie stuff!

As one of your best friends in the whole wide world- you dissapointed me! Ha!

I luv ya- but not for apologizing.

All right- good job.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: ber643 on June 10, 2010, 08:49:00 AM
Whut???

Oh, well, just let me say this about that - no matter how careful we are, "stuff" happens, as I well know. Apologies are good for the soul & heart and usually have the added good effect of causing all of us who witness them to try harder. Living among our brothers (even beloved and respected ones) is not always easy but is always well worth the extra effort.

Bless you all, bless us all
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: hormoan on June 10, 2010, 09:59:00 AM
Been there done that, and wasn't very proud of myself. (Still weighs heavy) With you Biggie.
    You had the heart to forgive me, and I am sure the clan will forgive you. Seems these pounded\\cookie wars, take a toll on our common sense.

                    :campfire:  Brent
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: chopx2 on June 10, 2010, 10:16:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by doug g:
Way to go, Biggie, Larry and Chris you all handled this with great class.
While I don't know Chris and Larry personally yet, It was obvious right away after joining the site that it is a family of class acts.

I am fortunate that I will get to share a campfire with Chris shortly and will get to know him even better. My hats off to him his family and everyone on here and elsewhere that dedicated their lives to supporting this country and this tradition.

Thanks to all.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Chris Shelton on June 10, 2010, 10:20:00 AM
Way to set an example for the younger guys(like myself), we need more class in today's world   :clapper:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: NorthernCaliforniaHunter on June 10, 2010, 11:41:00 AM
I have two clans of upright brothers and sisters. Freemasonry and TradGang.

I am a blessed and honored man to participate in both.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: GRAYBEARD on June 10, 2010, 12:28:00 PM
IF THERE IS A MORE HONORABLE BUNCH OF FOLKS ON THIS MONSTER CALLED THE WEB, I HAVE YET TO FIND THEM. WELL DONE TO ALL INVOLVED.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Tom on June 10, 2010, 02:16:00 PM
Class act on both ends.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Bill Turner on June 10, 2010, 02:54:00 PM
Didn't see the post in question but have had dealings with most involved. Hats off to "Biggie" for stepping up to the plate with an apology he thought might be needed. No way he would intentionally hurt anyones feelings. Thanks big guy for promoting the pound cake war for the benefit of St. Jude. The kids came out way ahead because of your efforts.    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on June 10, 2010, 03:03:00 PM
Thanks guys for the good words.

I can't take any more credit than any of the other 40 or so guys who bid up the pound cakes or the fine young lady who offered them. It takes us all to make it happen!
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Duckbutt on June 10, 2010, 03:56:00 PM
Since the Biggster had a conflict of interest that didn't slow him down in the cake wars(ie his doctor doesn't want him eating sweets!), he worked out a deal with Little D.  Three of the four pound cakes that he owns will be delivered by Little D on his behalf to the local Ronald McDonald House where families can stay while they have critically ill children at the Medical University of South Carolina Children's Hospital.  I wanted Delaney to get a real world feel for what all of this is really about (helping people in need.)  The dollars, gifts and comments from cyberspace aren't easy for a nine year old to totally grasp.  Biggie, as you would guess, stepped right up to the plate.

To steal a phrase from the man himself when he wrote an article in TBM about another bowhunter... "pretty classy, huh?"
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Gil Verwey on June 10, 2010, 03:57:00 PM
I love this site.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Chris Shelton on June 10, 2010, 04:07:00 PM
man, are we sure this isn't a paternity????  Sure feels like one:), without all the weird pledge stuff, but the brotherhood is definitely here . . .
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: sunny hill archer on June 10, 2010, 04:22:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Chris Shelton:
man, are we sure this isn't a paternity????  Sure feels like one:), without all the weird pledge stuff, but the brotherhood is definitely here . . .
Dude... I hope you mean Fraternity..
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Mudd on June 10, 2010, 04:30:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by sunny hill archer:
 
QuoteOriginally posted by Chris Shelton:
man, are we sure this isn't a paternity????  Sure feels like one:), without all the weird pledge stuff, but the brotherhood is definitely here . . .
Dude... I hope you mean Fraternity.. [/b]
:biglaugh:    :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:    :laughing:    :laughing:    :laughing:    :archer2:  

My wife and I were just discussing how he most likely wanted an "F" there instead of a "P".

We even talked about me coming back with a post that somehow would involve requiring some kind of DNA or paternal testing but came to the resolution that it might be best left out...lol

Thank you for the laugh!!! we truly though it was a hoot!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: wingnut on June 10, 2010, 04:35:00 PM
Chris,

I'm pretty sure you mean fraternity.  Paternity is a whole different and serious thing.  LOL

Mike
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: John3 on June 10, 2010, 04:48:00 PM
At least with Paternity you can prove you didn't do it....  LOL


Great thing.. Biggie..!!
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: lpcjon2 on June 10, 2010, 05:14:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Chris Shelton:
man, are we sure this isn't a paternity????  Sure feels like one:), without all the weird pledge stuff, but the brotherhood is definitely here . . .
This fathers day should be interesting...LOl

Biggie to come out and apologize is very big of you.That takes Honor and pride.And the Surtees Clan to accept it the way you did takes the same qualities.   :campfire:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: metsastaja on June 10, 2010, 08:15:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Chris Shelton:
man, are we sure this isn't a paternity????  Sure feels like one:), without all the weird pledge stuff, but the brotherhood is definitely here . . .
:laughing:    :laughing:    :laughing:    :laughing:    :laughing:    :laughing:    :laughing:    :laughing:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: HARL on June 10, 2010, 09:52:00 PM
:clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: tippit on June 10, 2010, 10:14:00 PM
Ya'll keep doing stuff like this and I don't think I'll ever get to sell a knife.  Big Man...Big Heart  :thumbsup:  

Sometimes the road has a few bumps...but this was one fine Cake Walk...tippit
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: lt-m-grow on June 11, 2010, 12:05:00 PM
"man, are we sure this isn't a paternity????"

Wow Biggie, I bet the last apology was difficult (cheers BTW), but I cannot wait to see your apology for this situation...

I thought the tradition in the south was shotgun weddings.  Maybe we need the first longbow wedding.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: hayslope on June 11, 2010, 12:49:00 PM
"Computers have enabled people to make more mistakes faster than almost any invention in history........with the possible exception of tequila and hand guns"

 :campfire:
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Grant Young on June 11, 2010, 03:24:00 PM
:thumbsup:  What else would we expect from gentlemen. Its what I keep tellin' my sons. GY
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Doc Nock on June 11, 2010, 03:35:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Duckbutt:
Since the Biggster had a conflict of interest that didn't slow him down in the cake wars(ie his doctor doesn't want him eating sweets!), he worked out a deal with Little D.  Three of the four pound cakes that he owns will be delivered by Little D on his behalf to the local Ronald McDonald House where families can stay while they have critically ill children at the Medical University of South Carolina Children's Hospital.  I wanted Delaney to get a real world feel for what all of this is really about (helping people in need.)  The dollars, gifts and comments from cyberspace aren't easy for a nine year old to totally grasp.  Biggie, as you would guess, stepped right up to the plate.

Biggie knows how almost all of us feel... so, Dang, Ducky, you going to have one very, very special young woman on your hands with all this happening at such a tender age.  My hat's off to you and your wife for what appears to be a very powerful parenting partnership. Same to your li'l gal, D, for living it and making a year-long committment  :clapper:  .
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: Duckbutt on June 11, 2010, 03:41:00 PM
Nope.  We're just lucky we got this opportunity...you can't force them and they don't come along very often.  Need to make it count and we don't need to get the "big head" when all the generosity really came from folks like Michael, Biggie, Jeff, Tippit et al.
Title: Re: Public Apology to the Surtees Clan
Post by: hayslope on June 11, 2010, 04:01:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Duckbutt:
Since the Biggster had a conflict of interest that didn't slow him down in the cake wars(ie his doctor doesn't want him eating sweets!), he worked out a deal with Little D.  Three of the four pound cakes that he owns will be delivered by Little D on his behalf to the local Ronald McDonald House where families can stay while they have critically ill children at the Medical University of South Carolina Children's Hospital.  I wanted Delaney to get a real world feel for what all of this is really about (helping people in need.)  The dollars, gifts and comments from cyberspace aren't easy for a nine year old to totally grasp.  Biggie, as you would guess, stepped right up to the plate.

To steal a phrase from the man himself when he wrote an article in TBM about another bowhunter... "pretty classy, huh?"
"pretty classy" indeed.....Biggie, you've got some big shoes (no pun intended), that all of us should strive to fill!  You make everyone proud with your giving spirit.    :notworthy:  

Mr. Cul de Canard........the recent lessons of the spirit of giving will provide far reaching impact on Lil' D. She'll have a wonderful story to tell people in the future about how she, her family, and a bunch of folks with at least one thing in common all came together to try to make a difference in the lives of kids in need.  And it will be a story that will bring smiles to faces and tears to eyes. There will be lessons to be learned from this story that some might not grasp or understand, but that is to be expected.  People are all different and have different values.

I, for one, look forward to hearing her tell that story in the future.