http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/big-buck-zone/2010/05/scent-lok-showdown
:rolleyes: ;) :) :D :readit: :readit: :readit:
Finally what many of us have known for years. Trust the wind!
Very interesting. Thanks for the info. Never used it myself I always hunt the wind just like Bjorn said.
For me anyway it seems another case of a sue crazy society. Come on if you can't figure out that all advertizing isn't 100% legit and stretches the point a little then I have a bridge to sell you. :banghead: sheesh! :rolleyes:
This comes as a complete surprise to me. Ripley's believe it or not.
:rolleyes:
I posted that here years ago and got HAMMERED for it...if he's downwind, he's gonna smell you!
Scent lok is just another gimmick. I do use the descent soap and cover sprays. The might help, they might not. Either way it can't hurt. I am planning to try out the smoking up the clothes this season to see if I think that helps. If nothing else it keeps me amused. I always try to stay downwind so it probably wont matter either way.
I remember telling one of my friends that stuff was a waste of money when it came out, but he still went out and bought it. I went out and bought a new recurve which produced more venison then his scent suit. :knothead:
I got a scentlock hat and coat on sale at Cabelas a few years ago. I almost didn't care about the scent blocking aspects of it, but it was marked down to where it was about the same price as similar items, and I figured that if it was quality stuff, why not get it and if it blocked my scent as well, so much the better.
The first thing that struck me when wearing the jacket was that it was a lot heavier than a non-scentlock jacket providing the same insulation. So if the scentlock stuff is worthless, all I'm doing is carrying around a bunch of dead weight.
C'mon Joebuck- next you're gonna tell us there's no Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or Biggie Hoffman during a St. Judes Auction! Thanks alot.
I got the boots from Bone Collector but mostly to keep my feet dry.
Anything that's named Bone Collector I question right off. As far as Scent Lock clothing...I guess we all new deep down inside :saywhat: !!!
Funny thing is there will still be people who defend it and swear by it - egos and ignorance is a beautiful thing. makes a few people rich and many poor!
What really works more than anything, even playing the wind, is a positive mental attitude. Believe and succeed. If the suit made you feel invisible to the deers nose then you were more confident that you would get a shot. Simple as that. In effect, it works? Certainly not by hiding your scent but rather revealing your confidence. There are a ton of things bought and sold in deer hunting that do nothing more than improve your confidence and nothing is more important than feeling like a killer if you are going hunting.
Best to play the wind while feeling like a killer to better improve your odds. Just in case :)
Bob Urban
QuoteOriginally posted by Biggie Hoffman:
I posted that here years ago and got HAMMERED for it...if he's downwind, he's gonna smell you!
Hey bigness, there's nothing wrong with have a bunch of beers every once in a while and gettin hammered! :biglaugh:
Not to take their side. What the court ruled against was their claims of ABSOLUTE scent elimination. No where is this article does it say that the product has no scent reduction or control ability. I'm not saying it does, just pointing out the facts of the article.
I know for a fact that anti-bacterial soap does a great job reducing odor causing bacteria growth for a short period of time a day, two at the most if you aren't sweating too bad. Also reducing body hair has the same effect since it collects and holds this bacteria...that's why you can always smell a Yeti coming your way :D
Besides remember the adage...if it's too good to be true then...
My interpretation of the ruling was that the court didn't prove it doesn't work, but that they fudged a bit on advertising as mentioned above.
Everyone knew that goin in, but it is a sue happy society run by lawyers that we live in...
minor clarification...unscented (or should i say fragrance free)anti-bacterial soap...
I hope they don't go out of business because I find it a great hunting tool.LCH
QuoteOriginally posted by chopx2:
that's why you can always smell a Yeti coming your way :D
Which has saved my bacon on more then one occation!!!
The experts agreed that it didn't remove 100% not that it didn't remove some. I don't have any but I'm just cheap.
The idea is not to have false advertising, and that was happening with the ScentBlock products. We ought to be able to believe what we are being told by people, including manufacturers and retailers. Otherwise we spend our money based on lies. I wish there were more decisions like this so manufacturers and suppliers would learn they have to tell the truth about their products. How many times have we heard in an advertisement, "We couldn't say it if it wasn't true"? I really like Cabela's and Gander Mountain, and I spend a lot of money buying things from them, but I still want to know I can depend on what they tell me. Maybe they were tricked by ScentLock; however this lawsuit has been going on for a long time, and it sounds like everyone admitted the ads weren't true. Why didn't the defendants just confess judgment and pledge to change all their ads. It isn't good enough to say that some scent was suppressed and we should have known they were lying about all scent being eliminated. I don't like someone lying to me, and I won't defend someone who does.
Allan
I've never fussed over the stuff, it's not that I didn't think it would work, it was more that it was overpriced & I have my own way of becoming scent free as possible that works great for me already.
keep the wind in your face and the sun at your back........and it's a whole lot cheaper.......
I always kinda felt bad that I didn't use this stuff....just depended on woodsmanship and the skills needed to sucessfully hunt with Trad gear. I felt like I probably should go the extra mile and invest in this scentlock stuff... just never could pull the trigger-man that stuff was high. Boy do I feel better!
Not to be to mean here, but to sue over false advertising on these items really seems to me to be the dumb sueing over being gullible. Anyone with any common sense knows that your face is at least partially exposed and your breath is still escaping which means so is your scent. Throw in that your scent is filtering thru a treated fabric material and some scent is going to escape. Should the producer and retailer be honest in their advertising, yes they should, should you stupidly believe all their advertising? No you shouldn't. I remember telling the wife and a couple buddies that wasting your money on scent blocker was a joke when it came out. Two buddies bought some anyways and fairly promptly got rid of it. It does reduce your scent signature, it does not completely remove it.
Caveat Emptor, buyer beware! Advertising is aimed at the gullible who fail to stop and think things thru. Kinda like a new smaller container with less of the same product for the original price being marked as "NEW" the only thing new is less product for the same price. Yet so many people feel better that they got the latest "improved" product because it is new. They will even tell you how great it is and how it is more effective.
If it works a little is it a bad thing? Does it HAVE to be absoute scent control? Does the deer REALLY know how close you are or does it make it seem your farther away? How do I explain that I have had more deer downwind of me that didn't spook when I wore my scentlok then when I didn't?
I agree with owlbait it works for me I very seldom get winded when I'm wearing it no matter how the wind is blowing. If I don't wear it I just about always get busted. LCH
QuoteOriginally posted by owlbait:
If it works a little is it a bad thing? Does it HAVE to be absoute scent control? Does the deer REALLY know how close you are or does it make it seem your farther away? How do I explain that I have had more deer downwind of me that didn't spook when I wore my scentlok then when I didn't?
I would agree 100% with that. While I never believed anyone could suppress their own scent completely, it sure wouldn't hurt if the game animal thought you were 150 yards away instead of the actual 50. It's the same thing when we smoke our clothes in a smudge-fire, or store out hunting garb in a container with some balsam boughs, you know your scent is going to mingle but may be faint enough to not alarm game. That being said I don't like outrageous claims or being lied to but it seems to be the norm when it comes to selling things.
QuoteOriginally posted by owlbait:
If it works a little is it a bad thing? Does it HAVE to be absoute scent control? Does the deer REALLY know how close you are or does it make it seem your farther away? How do I explain that I have had more deer downwind of me that didn't spook when I wore my scentlok then when I didn't?
I agree. I have had the same experience. 100% no way, and that is false advertising. However, in heavily populated areas all I need is the deer to think I am at a safe distance when I am not. I have one set and one extra jacket. I got the set on a big after season discount and the jacket used. The jacket smelled like a wet dog smoke a pack on it; I am sure the first owner didn't have much luck with it. I liked my stuff because of material, pockets and so on, and would have bought them without the Sent-Loc for the price I paid. Proper care, maintenance, and a strict regiment is what it takes. You have to keep smelly stuff off of you, all your layers, and all your gear. I have shot several deer down wind at under 15 yd. I think they knew I was around, but they didn't know how close. I have lost track of the deer that have been down wind, and I passed on them. I have also had a deer walk past and immediately bust me with my jacked off and then put the jacket and shot another one on the same run 15 minutes later with the same wind condition. I have had other hunters in line with me and watched deer wind them. Then the deer has run to me and been down wind of me. They have relaxed and settled into the area without any sign of concern on their part.
I don't want to argue with anyone over this, but I think most people who don't think it does anything have never tried it or never used it as part of a strict scent reduction program and then thoroughly tested it to see the difference.
I do everything possible to work the wind and so on, but when hunting small parcels with the only access being down wind of the prevailing wind direction most of the fall, I have to play every angle. I have never hunted like I can't be smelled, but I have just had way too many run ins with down wind deer not to know it has some effect if you prepare correctly. When I have a lot of land to hunt with easy access to good stand with no wind direction or wind swirl problems, I don't bother with it because it is a pain to be as detailed as I have to be to pull off having deer down wind, but when the freezer needs filling and the conditions are less than I deal it is just another tool in the box if you know how to use it.
Making ones self into a "victim" that was misled by Scentlock is hardly worth the few dollars one might recover in a lawsuit. Lawyers are the only ones who profit from a situation like this one. Companies like Cabela's and Gander Mountain won't get the money out of thin air to repay the poor folks who can't think for themselves and were victimized. The costs will be passed on to their loyal customers, and be seen in nice things like cutbacks in staff hours!
I don't spray down with flavored water either. Keep clean, as sweat-free as possible, and hunt the wind.
I knew right away it was mostly hype and advertising. I bought a set from the UPS driver at work. They were "factory seconds" and the price was right. I ate a can of Hormel Chili with beans the night before my hunt and guess what. Didn't block the scent.
HMM, lol . . . okay we all basically knew not to depend on the stuff. That is certain! I don't know about a lot of you guys, but it seems to me that the majority of you guys actually care about scent. Call me old school, but I gave up on it about a year ago. I either work the wind or don't and get busted. That is just the way it is. All this scent control crap is nice and all if you go home to a place where you can control it again. I go back to camp and hop in a tent with a kerosene heater! I don't have a choice, lol. So I have become very alert towards wind direction. And to be honest I like it better that way.
Sure this scent lock stuff might work, but what happened when you get in a car, or walk behind one? Stop at a gas station, chew a piece of flavored bubble gum? Or for goodness sakes what happeneds if you fart? You cannot create a completely scent free human hunter, it is impossible. I think the smoke thing might actually work in some areas, but even then you still stink, you are not scent free.
I will say one thing about scent lock! They make some good clothing! Maybe this will make them lower their pricing? Because the quality of their clothing is really top notch, but the price . . .!
Nothing can block chili and beans! Always hunt downwind.
QuoteOriginally posted by djohnson:
Nothing can block chili and beans! Always hunt downwind.
:eek: :biglaugh: :laughing:
Well said owlbait!
Thanks CDR. But, I'm just a rookie and I have a lot to learn :)
So if they (Scentlock) stretched the truth in advertising, does that mean that their stuff doesn't have scent reduction capabilities moreso than regular/different technology clothing?
Scent elimination is not the same as scent reduction.
If the clothing does reduce scent, what % of reduction is acceptable for the price (wouldn't that be subjective?)?
Reactivation of carbon, vs possible cleansing..........are there differences? Does it need to be fully reactivated for it to have usable characteristics? Can a dryer make the item better than it was prior to dryer usage?
What I'm getting at...........what the lawyers rattled about, what was settled, may not be fully telling of the tale.
Reactivation to like new condition, and total scent elimination= two very definitive claims.
If only proven to be brought back to 90% condition, eliminate 90% of scent.........that would make those previous statements FALSE.
That doesn't mean the stuff doesn't work. It just means it doesn't work as well as advertised.
There may be a benefit from its usage.
There may not be a benefit for some users under conditions they overly influence.
Lots of definitive claims against it on this forum.......seems as if a few folks didn't learn from how the courts/lawyers work.
Lots of power in the English language.........some folks still are calling the hanging chad deal (in FL in a prior presidential election) a rip off.
They fail to understand the meaning of "shall" and "may" (But Kathleen Harris knew).
Eh those who messed up that deal, felt the right to argue the defintiion of "is".
A lot of lawyers would go broke if people just used the words "maybe" or "most" a bit more in making statements.
Maybe if people just reduced the number of statements they make we'd all be better off.
Alas, the best of silencing techniques is most times illegal.
;-)
Who would have ever guessed that the product doesn't work as advertised!!!! :eek:
It never ceases to amaze me how many hunters buy products because of advertising claims, or because the "Pros" on TV use them.
If I was faced with starvation, and had to choose between two hunters to feed me:
1 being a half naked native which hadn't bathed in a week.
And the other being a chubby little blond chick in scent block clothing, plastered with sponsor logos.
I'd choose the native every time. Best to go with knowledge and experience over cute and hype.
At least I know I'll eat well!
I have had laughs with some of the scentlok hunters on hunting shows. They do some really good thinking and hunting; but when it comes to the clothing- well they tend to wear the scentlok and then put on the hat they have been wearing for two seasons without washing..
I don't like any hunting product going down in flames; or any good clothing suppliers suffering for what they thought was the truth.
In a way; this decision complements the guys that are wearing it and swearing by it for money- because now we know it was their skill- not the clothing that worked for them.
I wonder what the cost will be now for the stuff?
FWIW I figured the stuff to work, but not as well as advertised (after all, it doesn't make one fully sealed from the environment).
I think there too many variables to make claims for or against it, based on samples taken by an individual.
Personal and experimental bias also comes into play.
To run a good field experiment would be tough. Repeat deer, new deer, different pressures and influences, conditioning????.........just too difficult.
Fun to relay experiences, offer what one thinks might have helped/hindered.......but with so much going on (known/unknown) and applying that to an animal that probably has some decision making capability (is not a robot that reacts to a stimulus in preprogrammed 100% repeatable manner)..........it still boils down to an "I think" and not an "I know".
Some people think those phrases mean the same thing, and in casual usage they might be interchangeable........but that kind of stuff doesn't cut it in the courtroom.
My big question then is..........
Did those who brought the suit really fall for the advertising as claimed? Or are they employing a bit of gamesmanship for monetary gain?
I didn't care whether it worked or not.
I never bought any because I figured I had to draw the line somewhere.
Which then is worse?
Stretching the truth to make a buck (possibly still selling a product having worth in the aspects advertised, just to lesser extent)?
Or lying to say one was fooled, playing the legal game for possible $ gain due too some advertising or corporate moron being so foolish to make such definitive ad claims?
Makes ya really want to go out and invent something and try to sell it doesn't it?
Even if you are 100% truthful, make a darn good product, that doesn't mean some jerk won't try to take you to court.
I don't use Scentlock and I never believed the claims of total scent elimination but they do seem like practical hunting garments. So, what damages would you sue for in this case - emotional distress from spooking a trophy deer away, being attacked by a bear that winded you, being made to look gullible???
I wonder if they'll ever bring a suit against the scent industry, especially doe-in-heat scents. The science behind that stuff is also bogus - but it's not worth sueing anybody.
FWIW I have some Scentlok. It's held up very well after many many washings/dryings. I figured it to be gone in scent reduction capability years ago, but the camo pattern is still nice and contrasting. The only issue I have is with the pants, one belt loop has pulled out twice (I sewed it better the last time- still OK).
I paid $99 for the jacket and pants way back in '99 on sale. Still run them today.
They've held up better than other non scent reduction camo I've bought.
So I'd consider it a "deal", even if the stuff is just "regular" clothing now.
Always been a stickler for scent control, won't even let my cousin open a thermos of coffee in my truck.
Sneak in, sneak out of my spots too. Killed deer downwind of me, in stand or on the ground, while wearing Scentlok.
But I also killed deer like that when not wearing it.
Can't say it works.......can't say it doesn't.
BTW, my ball caps are ratty messes due to my washing them often during the hunting season ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by Ragnarok Forge:
Not to be to mean here, but to sue over false advertising on these items really seems to me to be the dumb sueing over being gullible. Anyone with any common sense knows that your face is at least partially exposed and your breath is still escaping which means so is your scent. Throw in that your scent is filtering thru a treated fabric material and some scent is going to escape. Should the producer and retailer be honest in their advertising, yes they should, should you stupidly believe all their advertising? No you shouldn't.
Exactly. I'm sure Scentlok does work to a degree. I've tried some of their products and some of the sprays out there too. In my opinion they do help lower your scent which can't hurt. The suit was after all about their advertizing not their product per say. I for one never believed any product would completly remove all scent. Was it worth getting sued over? Who knows. To each his own.
Reminds me of the story of the Emperor's new clothes. :)
QuoteOriginally posted by bawana bowman:
Who would have ever guessed that the product doesn't work as advertised!!!! :eek:
It never ceases to amaze me how many hunters buy products because of advertising claims, or because the "Pros" on TV use them.
If I was faced with starvation, and had to choose between two hunters to feed me:
1 being a half naked native which hadn't bathed in a week.
And the other being a chubby little blond chick in scent block clothing, plastered with sponsor logos.
I'd choose the native every time. Best to go with knowledge and experience over cute and hype.
At least I know I'll eat well!
I dunno. I kinda like the thought of spending some time with that chubby blond chick and catching up with the half naked native next week. If she's chubby, she probably brought a sandwich anyway! :biglaugh:
I actually tried to remove the Scentlok logo from a jacket I bought years ago as I'm not a great believer but the jacket is too well made not to use and who knows? Maybe it helps a little. I've never believed I could "ignore the wind!"
Does this mean that wearing "Old Spice" won't get me a girl like in the advertisments.
Just another company that moved its production of a product from the U.S. to Mexico. They left Michigan about 5 years ago.
If "stretching the truth" is illegal, there are a lot of bowyers, broadhead makers, arrow shaft makers, etc., that are in a heap of a lot of trouble.
We need only look as far as a few websites to realize that "truth in advertising" is very, well... "subjective."
I've never owned a stitch of Scent Loc clothing, but in my opinion, useless litigation like this will be end of our society.
I have used scent-lok in combination with sprays and such. I agree with several that have posted that scent-lok with only somewhat reduce your scent, not eliminate it. Where I hunt in CT, we have a healthy hiking population so if I can get deer to smell something, but not be sure what it is, that is an advantage. I had that very experience last season. I had on a full scent-loking outfit with a hat, all sprayed down, and when the spike walk into the wind carrying my scent, he stopped, sniffed, looked around and cautiously continued on. He smelled something (me) he just wasn't sure what that something was. IMHO, a good shower, air dried clothes outside, spray, hunting the wind are the only ways around the nose... but you have to do them all!
I've had mixed results with the stuff. However, most of the clothing made with it is very high quality and if I can find a good deal on it I don't hesitate to buy it if I need it. I have also noted that on the outdoor channel, where a couple of the major odor management companies do a lot of advertising and the hunters always wear the latest and greatest stuff, they still do not hunt stands unless the wind is right. And as successful as Fred Eichler is I do not ever remember him using or even discussing using scent eliminating clothing.
I never bought the stuff because it sorta felt like cheating to me...
The guy that taught me how to bow hunt (compound) used to smoke in the tree stand and wear his work clothes. His smoke was his "Windicator" and it always went behind him. If a deer walked behind him then it blew just as if it were behind me; but if it walked in front of him...he was taking it home....
As for his sucess rate...well, I have years to catch him. :archer2:
just find it kind of interesting it took some sheister"lawyer"to figure this out.hmmmmmmmmm.one other thing i never saw scent-lok claim it was supposed to contain intestinal gas!!!!!!
Though I do believe products like this do benefit the hunter some I have an elk hunting friend who breaks just about every rule and still manages to do well.
I've watched him climb an alpine fir tree with his ancient self climber that shredded the bark so much it looked like a giant beaver had attacked it. Once in position he pops open one of the beers he has stashed in the pockets of his jacket. As each can is emptied he sticks it on a stub of a branch he removed from the tree. Soon the tree he's in starts to look like it's been decorated for Christmas - well sort of.
To my friend though drinking isn't his only vice. He also chews which means of course he must spit. Which he does around the tree and since he's now a couple beers into his evening hunt sooner or he later must empty his now full bladder, which he also does all around the tree.
Believe it or not he's one of the most successful hunters I know. For some weird reason he always seems to pick the right place and time to be in his stand and the elk seem to forgive his small personal transgressions.
So I guess the moral to this story is for everyone who is fanatical about scent control there's always the guy who breaks every rule and still scores.
QuoteOriginally posted by Bill Carlsen:
latest stuff, they still do not hunt stands unless the wind is right. And as successful as Fred Eichler is I do not ever remember him using or even discussing using scent eliminating clothing.
You're 100% right... and Fred has used it occasionally. Most of the time IF he is wearing Scent Blocker or Scent Lok, he is hunting whitetails... but what I love is he'll throw on a gray hooded sweatshirt, camo coat over it, and go after moose, elk, bear, antelope... etc... and all those have the super nose too!
I use Scent Blocker. I don't believe it is the "Magic Bullet", I don't believe it completely absorbs your scent, I don't believe you can EVER "Forget the Wind and Just Hunt", I do believe I WILL take all the help I can get in odor control, even if it's just a little bit.
QuoteOriginally posted by bawana bowman:
Who would have ever guessed that the product doesn't work as advertised!!!! :eek:
It never ceases to amaze me how many hunters buy products because of advertising claims, or because the "Pros" on TV use them.
If I was faced with starvation, and had to choose between two hunters to feed me:
1 being a half naked native which hadn't bathed in a week.
And the other being a chubby little blond chick in scent block clothing, plastered with sponsor logos.
I'd choose the native every time. Best to go with knowledge and experience over cute and hype.
At least I know I'll eat well!
I'd take the naked chubby little blond chick. I'd probably starve, but I'd die smiling! :D Well, unless my chubby little wife found out. :knothead:
On a more serious note. It appears none of you have read the evidence (scientific) against Scentlok. I have, which is why I won't buy their stuff even if it is high quality. Most of the activated carbon settles to the bottom of the garment pretty quickly. Even when new, there are numerous spots in the fabric with no carbon. In order to stop odor, the layer of carbon would need to be 1/4" thick with no gaps or holes. Wouldn't that be comfy! Even if you had such a garment, unless it covered your mouth and nose, your scent would still escape. I wish I could recall the website that had the studies used in the suit.
I have to admit, I've tried the sprays and soaps and deodorants. I managed to go undetected by humans, but the deer didn't seem to care one way or the other.
As far a the lawsuit goes, it appears the only thing that has happened is the judge ordered them to stop making their ridiculous claims. No money was awarded. I'm okay with that.
The bottom line is there is no magic formula, just the age-old one of using the wind. Isn't that kind of what trad is all about anyway?
There is a point and that is it appears that the sellers lied to us. They told us untruths in an effort to help us decide to purchase their product. They lied.
Go to McDonald's or any other fast food place, look at the pictures and order "one of those", then try to see if it even resembles "one of those. It won't... guaranteed. And they get away with it.
Why.... because we let them. There should be more suits like this. In the past it was called snake oil.
If I post a bow for sale here and say it is in "like new condition", you wouldn't be very happy if it arrives looking like crap. Not a whole lot different here.
ChuckC
My point on this is, even if the Scent suits did what they said they do. You have to breathe, lol, an that prob. esp in me is enough bad odor for anything to smell! Drug dogs can smell drugs even if placed in a #25 bag of coffee. I never have even considered buying one of the suits anyway, in Ga. its always too hot during bow season to wearem.
Another way to approach this is, "BE AMERICAN AND BUY AMERICAN".
I have a relative that reps this business. I was given a new suit and I gave it away. Never wore it and never intended to. I wear old military BDU's while I hunt and I shoot a deer once in awhile. Common sense when dealing with your hunting clothes will get you a deer or two.
I wash my clothes, rinse with vinegar in the rinse cycle and hang out to dry. Never use dryer sheets in the dryer, never where my hunting clothes except when hunting, stay away from camp fires, take a shower before going out and pack my clothes in a plastic container when not wearing them.
Been hunting for 40 years without wearing scent hiding clothing.
Regardless of it's effectiveness, it is sad to see so many rejoicing at another opportunity for lawyers to make money "protecting" us poor helpless dummies.
Let's talk about the real problem. THERE ARE WAY TO MANY LAWYERS IN AMERICA !!!!!
I have had a scent blocker suit for years and never believed it took care of all my scent, but was just another tool in my arsenal, and i have killed many a whitetail down wind of me using it, but i also used scent free soap and kept my clothes in air tight bins. Decided now that im going to smoke my hunting clothes been doing it for a couple years now and its way cheaper.
I'm not a lawyer but I've had a few friends who do this kind of work. I certainly don't blame the legal eagles in this case. They were simply doing the job someone hired them to do. I applaud whoever brought this case because false advertising deserves to be exposed. I don't like being lied to; not by insurance salesmen, car salesmen, or the makers of hunting gear. I'm going to be wary of the company that sold this stuff and anything else they make.
Good. Although I doubt it will change the minds of the believers. I put the scientific facts about activated carbon on a couple different forums several times, got flamed so much I gave up, I guess I'm a slow learner.
If you are interested check out "activated carbon" in Wikipedia - scroll down until you see the part about reactivation - to be activated or reactivated carbon is heated at 500-900 degrees C in the absence of oxygen to desorb the adsorbed VOC compunds. If you're clothes dryer ever generates those temperatures I'll guarantee you're gonna have LOTS BIGGER problems than your charcoal pants! :eek:
Oh yeah, the whole absorbtion theory with such small amounts of activated carbon as are in the suits is bunk too...but I won't go into that.
What are my qualifications to speak about this?
BS Chemistry 1996, Ohio Northern University
MS Organic Synthetic Chemistry 1998, The Ohio State University
12 years industrial experience as a process development bench chemist.
And yes, we use decolorizing carbon all the time, so I know what I'm talking about.
That blonde chick's qualifications?
Looks good in a little T-shirt.
For the TRUE scent-lok believers...I've got some magic beans I'll trade you for a cow if you're interested!
Ryan
Wikipedia? Oh, that's THE Ohio State University :bigsmyl: Listen to what Ryan says, except his source: an experienced chemist with that background can give you all the technical knowledge you need as to whether this process should work. For some unexplained and un-Wikepedian reason, sometimes it does seem to work. I'm glad when it does. Or maybe I'm just lucky. Sometimes, I hear, my stuff don't stink!
Joey, is there a free hog hunt or call involved if this goes to 200 posts? DB
Ryan,
I've seen enough small and large errors by PHDs and others in their respective fields.
You may be more qualified than some or many, in that general field, but have you fully been involved with comparable technology and application?
Now if you have, and also stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.........
:thumbsup:
It doesn't work. The science behind it is shaky at best.
If you want to spend your money on Scentlok, that's your right. Just know what you are getting into.
Thats a good one Batman :D . i have finally figured out the secret of post counts....now all i got to do is wait on Marty to kill it.
How does scentlok handle the after affects of a double bean burrito?
Now there's some Change you can believe in. H
Ryan : are their chemicals that can neutralize the odors in the charcoal? Seems like that would be route to follow rather than have a melted jacket....
I've never seen any proof that it works 100% as advertised.
Then too....
Who here has ever been wet and sweaty in Gore Tex rain gear?
Did you guys buy Hai Karate because you liked the smell? ...or was it the advertising? Hmm?
I agree that the advertisment was over the top but i will still be wearing mine this fall.
I have killed way to many deer downwind of me and i for one believe it does give me a little more advantage.
Besides that i have got about $2,000 invested in that stuff.lol :biglaugh:
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.... the practical experienced driven responses and the ain't gonna work cuz my Daddy says so groups are not going to change their minds, but we had a chance to express our opinions based on .... How many posts before I get invited to the hoghunt? Or is that another myth that needs a lawsuit :bigsmyl:
Some people may have found it seems to help from time to time.
I think it`s a good thing it doesn`t work as claimed. Michigan has up to 800,000 hunters, chasing it`s whitetails. Without their nose, the deer wouldn`t stand much of a chance.
I`m afraid that it`s only a matter of time before someone comes up with a product that actually DOES eliminate scent.
:) :)
Has anyone seen the adds for the clothing that is supposed to "cloke" your electromagnetic field? Supposedly game are able to sense it. Yeah right. I think what they are sensing is my heart beating and my knees knocking when they have average or above antlers on their heads!
The big thing at my local sport shop is an "Ionizer"? that hooks to a storage tub and eliminates the scent. I guess they did a gasoline demo and it took the scent away. Of course, everyone knows if you have intestinal leakage after putting the clothes back on the warranty/guarantee is voided!