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Title: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Whip on May 26, 2010, 07:54:00 AM
I've been musing after reading Terry's post about the St. Jude auction and the decline in items donated this year.  There are far more members here than ever, and growth has been great.  But I'm wondering why all these new members don't seem to get involved in the St. Jude project and kick in where they can.

Is is like the difference between living in a large city where you don't even know your neighbors, versus living in a small town where you know everyone?  Do the newer members here simply remain anonymous, stop in to check there favorite forums and go on their way without really becoming involved?  

Do the new people think that the St. Jude project is some kind of special project only for certain members of Trad Gang?  Nothing could be further from the truth!    St. Jude is for YOU!!!    :readit:  

We need each and every one of the nearly 24,000 members to jump in and do what they can.  List an item for sale.  When the bidding starts, visit the auction forums and bid where you can.  Even if you know you'll never win the item in the end, keep the bids going up to raise more money for the kids.

If you have seen references to St. Jude before, didn't know what it is about and simply assumed it was intended for someone else and simply skipped over it, you are wrong.  As I said, St. Jude is for each and every member of Trad Gang.  Go to the main forum page and scroll down to the special St. Jude section.  Page through the listing forum to see all the great things that have already been donated.  Read the "How the auction works" thread to become familiar with the process, and make plans to have a lot of fun when the bidding begins next week!

This rant really isn't meant to question whether Trad Gang has gotten too large.  The title of the thread is meant to be seriously taken "tongue in cheek", because I don't believe for a minute that we really have too many people visiting here.  The growth of Trad Gang is great to see, and I hope it continues far into the future.  

My intent is simply to goad those who have not yet gotten involved in the St. Jude auction project to give it a chance.  Go read Terry's thread.  Dig in your basement and find something, anything, to list.  It doesn't have to be archery related at all.

And most importantly, when the auction forums open for bids next week get on there and bid often!!!!

See you there!   :wavey:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: 2treks on May 26, 2010, 08:05:00 AM
Nice Job Whip. It is about getting outside of ourselves and meeting and helping our neighbor. That is what make Tradgang a special place on the web.Bringing people together from around the globe with Trust,generosity,help,Prayers,and edification,things that are to far gone in todays world,lets tighten it up, Life is happening even if we don't click on the thread. Now, I am gonna see what I can do.
Chuck
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Mudd on May 26, 2010, 08:16:00 AM
Whew! You certainly made me look!

Good on you Whip!! I wish I were as articulate and had the gift of getting the message out as you just did. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!


With all the love of Christ Jesus

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: vermonster13 on May 26, 2010, 08:21:00 AM
We have 98 donors out of almost 24000 members.    "[dntthnk]"
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: ber643 on May 26, 2010, 08:31:00 AM
Great post, Whip - and, just in case anyone doesn't know, he doesn't just give articulate, and easy to take, "lip service". Whip is always in there "whipping" up interest, bids, and purchases (of his own). Bless your heart and your understanding & support, Whip.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Chris Shelton on May 26, 2010, 08:34:00 AM
if a poor boy like myself can donate something . . .then everyone should be able to find something!!!  :)
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: ber643 on May 26, 2010, 09:00:00 AM
One of my first donations (in the first St. Jude Auction) was a used coffee cup - I think with an elk or something "outdoorsy" on it - just as sort of a trial (another "poor boy" on a low fixed income seeing if he really could help). It raised more money than I ever would have thought, and sure made my heart smile . It also helped set my course for me as a St. Jude Auction "cheerleader". I had always believed in St. Jude Hospital, since the days of Danny Thomas (before his daughter) but as a enlisted military man (in the really low pay scale days) with two families to support (stuff happens), I could never donate more than about 5 bucks. Finally, tradgang.com gave me a way to support, if only by cheering on and harrassing. I've never looked back and do all I can each year, all year, knowing that those who can do more will value and boost my contributions. I praise TradGang for giving me a lighted way to "contribute" in my own small way, and for it's amazing growth in it's support of St. Jude Hospital for Children. No amount of help or monies is too small - ask Doug Campbell and/or Terry Green - it all helps the total and encourages, by example, others to help.

Bless you all, bless us all.

Please do not hesitate to pitch in - even if it can only be "penny-pitching" in your mind. You never know what an "idea" might accomplish in the end.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: vermonster13 on May 26, 2010, 09:08:00 AM
Right on Bernie.

We have fisherman, flyfisherman, golfers, etc etc. Anything in those areas has brought good money. We also have a lot of new parents/grandparents so items for children and babies do well. Be creative, some really surprising things have raised considerable funds for the kids. The thing in the corner somewhere collecting dust could be the one that helps us set yet another new record this year.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Bear on May 26, 2010, 09:10:00 AM
:clapper:    :clapper:  

My item will be posted as soon as I get the loose ends tied up. I have been so insanely busy that I haven't had time to make the last few required contacts.

It'll be good...  :goldtooth:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: mrpenguin on May 26, 2010, 09:18:00 AM
With that many members, maybe we can get flat donations too... imagine if everyone member gave just $1.00, that would be 24k!!  If we each gave $5 (the cost of a venti latte) that would be 120K... wow!!!  If someone closer to the St. Jude's funds would initiate a collection of $1-5, I bet we could raise a lot of money!!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: gregg dudley on May 26, 2010, 09:21:00 AM
Spot on, Joe!  

The time is at hand!  Every item counts no matter how big or how small.

On a positive note there are some really great items that have been donated!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: rastaman on May 26, 2010, 09:28:00 AM
Click here to donate even $1! (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=077112)

To follow-up with what mrpenguin alluded to in his post, click on the link above for an easy way to donate to St Judes.  :)
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: wapiti792 on May 26, 2010, 09:47:00 AM
Way to go Joe...it made me look and I AM A DONOR. Makes me think I got more "stuff" to donate besides that bow you expertly cleaned up for me. Gonna go home and round up some more items for the kids   :archer2:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Irish on May 26, 2010, 09:49:00 AM
Well said Joe  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: ripstik on May 26, 2010, 10:00:00 AM
This reply is not intended to make a bunch of you folks mad,but I did not come to this forum to participate in religion auction.I came here for guidance in my quest to be a better traditional archer.I like and respect what you folks have going here.I also think it's honorable that you will take your time and participate in the St.Jude's auction.Perhaps I will too at some time.
Please try and understand my point.I support you 100% and I'm sure others do too.It's just that I am not ready to take part in the auction and this post makes me feel like I should move on if I don't follow your beliefs.Sorry.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: just_a_hunter on May 26, 2010, 10:06:00 AM
St. Jude isn't a religon auction. It's a childrens cancer research and treat hospital..

Todd
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: rastaman on May 26, 2010, 10:07:00 AM
Uhhh...Mr. ripstik...it isn't a religious auction.  It is an auction to help sick kids. No more.  No less.  It is about all of us, and it is a very important part of what tradgang is about.    :campfire:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: WindWalker-AK on May 26, 2010, 10:12:00 AM
Mr. Whip,
With all due respect to yourself and St. Jude, the wife and I already donate to St. Jude, on a monthly basis.  The few items we have available for donation, from time to time, we save and give to our Church twice a year.
Please do not think we don't care just because we have not participated via this forum.  Being retired, we only have so much to go around and do the best we can.
By the same token, I greatly respect what you folks are doing and applaud you for it.
Also, thank you for providing the best Archery forum on the internet.
Best Wishes
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Joshua Lee on May 26, 2010, 10:14:00 AM
ok, your right, I'm a newbie and my plan was to make my donation by bidding.  But maybe I can find something round here to donate as well.  Thanks for the hipcheck into the glass to wake me up.
Josh
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Spurs on May 26, 2010, 10:22:00 AM
Ripstik, I don't think that anyone here is trying to do anything more than provoke thought.  The idea is to provoke the thought of 24,000 members, and some will show action and  give out of conviction.  Saying this each and every one of us have different circumstances.

I myself lost a child last year to heart disease.  My money has gone to Labohner children's medical center in Memphis along with some to St. Jude.  If your heart convicts you to give, then give.  If not, then no harm done, but with 24,000 members, the idea is to get everyone's gears turning.  You are no less of a person if you do not give to this cause because only you know your own circumstances.   This is one of many great causes to give to, and I am proud to come to tradgang everyday knowing that it is full of good people that know there is more to this life than just hobby.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Bill Turner on May 26, 2010, 10:25:00 AM
I purchased a pair of used, LaCross snake boots off the St. Judes auction site three or four years ago. Still my go to boot when "Joe No Shoulders" is prowling around. Gott'um cheap to boot($35)cause they were kinda rough. Your throw away item just might be someone else's  treasure. Dig deep for the kids of St. Jude Hospital.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: 3arrows on May 26, 2010, 10:38:00 AM
How do you donate something?
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Over&Under on May 26, 2010, 10:42:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by 3arrows:
How do you donate something?
3arrows

Click on this link and look under the "How the auction works" thread.  It should tell you what you need to know.

http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=148

Great thread Joe!!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Raging Water on May 26, 2010, 10:53:00 AM
Joe,

Thank you! I have been meaning to round up items for St. Jude but haven't done it. I will get after it and get some stuff in the auction.

Thanks!

Matt
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Chris Shelton on May 26, 2010, 10:58:00 AM
The only real issue with this whole auction is there isn't a way to mail a gallon of milk to go with the cookies   :readit:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Silent Bear on May 26, 2010, 11:52:00 AM
I think its great that people help the less fortunate but I have a problem donating my money to big organizations like St.Jude and the Red Cross because they dont give all the money to the less fortunate instead there are CEOs making a pretty good living off of our donations, I think its best that people spend some time with the kids and make sure their money is going straight to the cause
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: vermonster13 on May 26, 2010, 11:58:00 AM
Giving money straight to the kids isn't going to find cures for any disease. 8.2% of funds go to hospital administration at St. Jude.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: jhg on May 26, 2010, 12:05:00 PM
Good points. There are many other charities, mentoring programs and personally important foundations,  like stopping cancer, for example, that compete for our money and time.

I think its important to remember that everyone can't contribute to everything, either with time or with money.  My own nephew just had a bone marrow transplant. It is important to him that is where my money goes. I could go on with the list, but you get the point.

So no. I don't think it is because Tradgang has gotten too big as the reason(s) some of us are not putting money into St Judes.

And good luck and maybe next year. It is a great program.


Joshua

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Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Silent Bear on May 26, 2010, 12:14:00 PM
http://www.bbb.org/charity-reviews/national/cancer/alsac-st-jude-childrens-research-hospital-in-memphis-tn-2903

According to Charity Review John Moses makes $612,377 a year and dr. William E.Evans makes $711,263 a year as chief executives for St.Jude, I feel this is a waste of my hard earned money and if I want to help I will spend some time with the kids and donate some money straight to the families or hospitals of the sick kids
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: lt-m-grow on May 26, 2010, 12:19:00 PM
Ya know RipStik makes some very interesting points.   He didn't say St. Judes is a bad thing, in fact he offers it is a good thing.  His main point seems to be that he is here to learn tradition archery, not be part of a benevolent organization supporting St. Judes.

Whip, I have been thinking a lot of Terry's pleas too and the situation we seem to have this year.  I don't know whether it is the economy or what.  Could be. But it might not be either.  It is hard to tell how the quantity of donations relate to the $ donations.  Who knows.  We may have less things to bid on, but the bids go up.   The cookies are a great example of that.

Though one trend I have noticed on this site, and I have been here awhile, is that St. Jude's donations, requests, comments, etc. has grown to a year round effort.  BobW $1 collection thread is a good example, but there are others.  When I first got here I had some trouble figuring out what the "St Judes Thing" was all about.  It basically took the site over for a short time, then went silent for a year.  That is no longer the case.

So add me to the list that St Judes is a good thing, but I don't want to see Tradgang continue growing into a St. Judes benevolent society.  If it does that is up to others, not me.  It just isn't what I want.

And just to close the loop.  I do participate in the auction, and will this year too with $s.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: vermonster13 on May 26, 2010, 12:20:00 PM
The average hospital CEO of a place this size makes $1.2 million a year and those hospitals also charge the families for treating the children, St Jude doesn't.

Do what you want with your money, no one is telling you you have to be a part of the auction.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Whip on May 26, 2010, 12:35:00 PM
All points well taken, and I am glad to see that my post has stirred the pot!  Mission accomplished!!

We all certainly understand that there are many worthwhile charities throughout our country, and for that matter the world.  As much as we might like to, we can't individually help them all.  

But St. Jude is the one major charity fund raiser of Trad Gang, and it has a wonderful history of generosity.  

My point is that with a growing membership in Trad Gang, it only makes sense that participation in the St. Jude auction should grow as well.  Obviously, we won't have all 24,000 members donating or bidding.  But there is no reason that I can think of that the percentage of TG members who do participate should drop.  

If Trag Gang membership has grown by 10%, or 20%, or whatever the number is, my prayer would be that the St. Jude auction would have a corresponding increase as well.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: imskippy on May 26, 2010, 12:38:00 PM
There are always politics and such in anything people do. I just follow my heart........

I SUPPORT THIS EVENT AND ST.JUDES RESEARCH HOSPITAL......  :clapper:    :pray:  

I also applaud "the gang" for all their efforts. To each their own. Skippy
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Pon on May 26, 2010, 12:43:00 PM
Im new here and could not been happier with being part of the gang, it is difficult to list an item for me because I live close you country but not close enough.

However I already started saving money for when the bidding starts!!

:archer:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Northwest_Bowhunter on May 26, 2010, 12:47:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by vermonster13:
8.2% of funds go to hospital administration at St. Jude.
That means 91.8% goes towards research into childrens cancers??? For every dollar raised 91.8 cents goes right to research and cures... That is amazing, as a cancer survivor I can tell you that is a very very high percentage and the legacy and tradition of this hospital is amazing.  No child needing care is EVER turned away, it has been that way since I was a kid watching Danny Thomas do the commercials.  I have a used Internature Viper longbow I would love to donate, I will check the link given above to find out how to do that.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Whip on May 26, 2010, 12:49:00 PM
That's perfect Pon!  There are two parts to this thing obviously, and it takes participation of some of both sides to make it successful.  Without the bids the donations do no good.  
Thanks for any help you can give!  :notworthy:    :notworthy:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Nakohe on May 26, 2010, 12:54:00 PM
Joe, thanks for waking me up. I have been procrastinating and time got away from me. Just listed some items.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on May 26, 2010, 01:24:00 PM
I agree with It-M-Grow. You all know I buy some items here during the auction. This year I found some stuff to donate as well. I have not donated to BobW's $1 each thread because I too don't want to see this year round tugging at our purse strings even though THERE IS NOT A BETTER CAUSE OUT THERE!

No relection on BobW or anyone who made a donation!

It's like March Madness...once a year, everyone gets fired up and goes all out, then, it's wait till next year.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Joshua Lee on May 26, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
All I know is that I have gotten a ton of information and help from trad gang, and if the site wanted to raise money for a trip to another planet I would back em.  Just so happens that they are raising money for a good cause. If your guilt makes you want to criticize something good,, shut your pie hole and do what you want.  Kudos Trad gang.
Sorry but don't rain on the parade.
Josh
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on May 26, 2010, 01:31:00 PM
Joshua...nobody is critisizing, just differing opinions.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Joshua Lee on May 26, 2010, 01:39:00 PM
My bad, I just don't get the negative aspect of some of the comments. And I'm afraid that some people (that aren't posting) are going to jump on board with the negatives,, like the ceo is paid this and the money goes to who.  Its a good organization, and I just got a little heated, sorry.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: ber643 on May 26, 2010, 01:57:00 PM
Some will never be moved in that/this direction - (we all know that) that's alright too - they will still be our friends and fellow archer/members (I have some personal ones like that). I personally will never donate (again) to Red Cross for very personal reasons - I'm glad others do though. My point is, please let those of us who are inclined, try to move those who will/can be moved towards our support of St. Jude Hospital for Children, without taking personal offense. It is a relatively simple matter not to read the St. Jude related threads, and no one has to, or should feel they have to, "justify" not participating.   :)
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Terry Green on May 26, 2010, 02:03:00 PM
Thanks Whip, now we are cooking. I can't keep up at the moment.   :jumper:    :jumper:    :jumper:  

Sorry if some got offended at my few more than normal 'pleas' as they were referred to.  I put up a few more 'reminders' this year due to so many people last year that said they totally missed the auction....all said they didn't see any posts about it.  

Once again, sorry, but I only know how to do things one way.......wide open.  

And yes, I do get 'religious' over helping sick kids during this effort every year.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Northwest_Bowhunter on May 26, 2010, 02:04:00 PM
Joshua Lee, I respect a man that speaks his mind.

Terry, that's my kind of religion!!!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: David Mitchell on May 26, 2010, 02:29:00 PM
Whip, thanks for yanking our chains!  I have found a dozen beautiful Autumn orange arrows I do not use and a bow I have had posted for sale that hasn't sold, they will be going up for the auction.  Guess I just never gave it a lot of thought, until your post.  :thumbsup:  Thanks for the reminder.....Dave
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Jeff Strubberg on May 26, 2010, 02:52:00 PM
I'm as non-religious as anyone you will ever run into (non, not anti!), and the only reason I don't run more money through the St. Jude's auction is that y'all keep outbidding me!

Seriously, it's a fantastic cause and I need to get off of my tush and donate something.  Thanks for the kick, Whip.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: PAPA BEAR on May 26, 2010, 03:41:00 PM
origanally posted by vermontster: (We have 98 donors out of almost 24000 members.) this needs to be rectified.donate what you can and buy what you can.the kids will love you for it trust me.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: PAPA BEAR on May 26, 2010, 03:55:00 PM
i want to tell you a little story about a bow called evo.evo spent an entire year traveling across this great country like a trooper raising money for the kids of st,jude.now i know for a fact that if a piece of wood can get it done then every tradganger here can donate in some way or another.hats off to you terry,whip and all who run the auction.i'll be there.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: lpcjon2 on May 26, 2010, 03:55:00 PM
way to inform the many Joe.Great read and your spot on with it.Please support the kids they need us like we need you.Just think if you gave a dollar for every tip a member gave you that helped you out and saved you money.What would that add up to.So give a tip for the kids.
 There is no reason for anyone to feel like they don't belong if you don't donate.It's not a religious thing but a help a sick kid thing.The auction is just a way some folks like to give and be thankful for the good health their kids have and be compassionate for the sick kids who have it bad.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: vtmtnman on May 26, 2010, 04:00:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by vermonster13:
We have 98 donors out of almost 24000 members.     :saywhat:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: TRAD101 on May 26, 2010, 04:08:00 PM
I too am non-religious but when I see the words St. Jude's I think of children with cancer not religion. If it bothers some when they see the St. Jude's threads on trad gang then don't open them, just like being a contributor its all volunteer. I myself donate to St. Jude's through an area golf outting. I thank whip for the push for the simple reason I have stuff in storage that will probably be there 20 years from now and it might as well be doing someone some good today. So my opinion is keep it up terry and whip, We all need a little motivation sometime and it should not be taken so negatively.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: jcar315 on May 26, 2010, 04:19:00 PM
Whip, Thanks for the push! Have some items I have been intending to put up but I truly appreciate your reminder.

Always interesting to me some of the perspectives that come out on threads like this. I must admit that some leave me scratching my head at times.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: missagain on May 26, 2010, 04:30:00 PM
hey whip .. thank you brother , i needed to read this .ive been off work for 3 months due to a spinal fusion in my back ,sitting here kinda takeing life for granted,and thought about what the kids are going through,and even the parents ,i went to the basement and found some broadheads that i wasnt uesing and posted ,and have a few other things i have to dig out.
FOLKS ITS NOT HARD TO DO !!!! LOOK AROUND THERE HAS GOT TOBE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT USEING!! OR YOU CAN LIVE WITH OUT    :readit:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: coaster500 on May 26, 2010, 05:23:00 PM
Done deal  :)

 :campfire:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: horatio1226 on May 26, 2010, 06:49:00 PM
I have always donated something to auction for St. Judes. But like a lot of other people, life just gets hectic and I haven't done it yet. Why does there seem to be less participation with a much larger membership? Acouple of things occur to me. I could be wrong about it. There has been some negative publicity about the auction on other sights. Don't really know all the details, don't really give a hoot. Also,as many here know, I am a Cubmaster, been one for quite some time. When we accept a donation from anyone in the community, we are sure to write a letter thanking them for their generous donation. I'm sure they don't feel it necessary, but I know they appreciate it just the same. I don't ever remember seeing any kind of thanks from St. Judes for the donations of this generous bunch of people. I am sure that they have thanked us, but it doesn't seem to publicized as much as maybe it should be. People like to know that their donations are appreciated. I know that nobody is looking for a thanks, but it never hurts the following years donations. Okay I said my piece,I'm going to work on my donation.Kids are our future.   :help:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: lpcjon2 on May 26, 2010, 07:05:00 PM
Brian
You may be rite about some needing a thanks,unfortunately thats what society needs for fulfillment.So I would like to thank anyone who has donated to St.Jude auction in the past.You contribution went to a good cause.

If my words didn't help with the thank you maybe a smile from a patient or two will!
(http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv19/lpcjon2/Thumb-00499_Generic_-4B4918D1.jpg)
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: pdk25 on May 26, 2010, 07:09:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Whip:
...There are far more members here than ever, and growth has been great.  But I'm wondering why all these new members don't seem to get involved in the St. Jude project and kick in where they can.

Is is like the difference between living in a large city where you don't even know your neighbors, versus living in a small town where you know everyone?  Do the newer members here simply remain anonymous, stop in to check there favorite forums and go on their way without really becoming involved?  

Do the new people think that the St. Jude project is some kind of special project only for certain members of Trad Gang?  Nothing could be further from the truth!    St. Jude is for YOU!!!       :readit:    

We need each and every one of the nearly 24,000 members to jump in and do what they can.      :wavey:    
Hi Whip,
 I'm glad that your words have inspired so many to be generous.  For me, they made me less willing to donate than I would have felt otherwise.  Nothing to do with religion, or the thought that St. Jude's isn't a good organization.  It's funny, but I was talking to another trad gang member today that was ready to donate a few items.  He read this post and decided that he wasn't going to be pressured into anything, and now isn't going to donate.  I wonder how many others that read this felt the same way?  New members or old, people decide to give as they see fit.  Perhaps they donate to other organizations that they feel are just as worthy, or more.  Perhaps they donate their time, which can be just as important.  I applaud the people that want to raise money for St. Jude's.  I just don't think that the judgements that are implied in this thread on someone who chooses not to donate are justified.  I've bid on items in the past for this auction, but I think I'll sit this one out.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: horatio1226 on May 26, 2010, 07:33:00 PM
I don't know about anybody else lpcjon, but man the pic does my heart a ton of good. They are some beautiful kids! Thanks for posting it and picking up my spirit!!!  :thumbsup:     :archer:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Whip on May 26, 2010, 07:36:00 PM
I'm not quite sure just how to respond to that Patrick.  It makes me sad that I might have turned even one person against the St. Jude fundraiser, no matter what the reason.

Whenever we open our mouths (or type on a keyboard) we run the risk of having our intentions misconstrued and taken the wrong way.  If I have given the wrong impression to anyone, I appologize.  I never intended to make people feel guilty, and I am well aware that many people here have charities that are more compelling to them personally, and that is wonderful.  In no way was I trying to make judgements on those who don't participate.  Everyone has their own situations to deal with and I am in no position to judge anyone.

The only points I was really trying to make were these:

1) The St. Jude auction is coming up, and if you are going to participate, it is time to get your listings done.

2) I had a hard time figuring out why with the fantastic growth of membership on this site, we might actually be facing a decline in participation in the auction.

You joined this site just about 3 years ago, and since that time the membership here has nearly doubled.  Here is a record of the amount of money raised by the St. Jude auction during that same time:
2009 Total - $82,673.31

2008 Total - $94,781.37

2007 Total - $75,170.54

We showed steady increases until last year, and then fell back a bit.  As of this morning, we were still running behind last years pace for listing items on the forum, even though they have been open for posting for quite some time now.  

I don't have the answers.  Certainly the economy is playing a big part in all of it.  

But no way in the world did I ever intend to make judgements about anyone.  I have simple thoughts, and all that I know is that St.Jude is a very worthy cause and I try to do what little I can to help out.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Terry Green on May 26, 2010, 07:39:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by pdk25:
  I just don't think that the judgements that are implied in this thread on someone who chooses not to donate are justified.  I've bid on items in the past for this auction, but I think I'll sit this one out.
You are going to miss out on your own blessings of the fun of the auction, and not help sick kids based on Whip's post?

Hurt yourself and the kids based on a post?....Cut your nose of to spit your face?  What kind of attitude are you promoting?  Think about it. What are you accomplishing with that mentality?
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: horatio1226 on May 26, 2010, 07:55:00 PM
A good cause is a good cause. Is it about the kids or the feelings of the "grown ups"? Its a great cause BUT, because sombody posted something that I took personally, ahh the heck with the sick kids???  :confused:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Terry Green on May 26, 2010, 08:07:00 PM
Whip...Don't beat yourself up.

Since you posted this this morning, we have had the biggest listing day so far by far.  46 listings. The night is young, and lets see what else it brings...

Ya done good!!!!       :readit:      

Remember, 'no good deed goes unpunished'....but the rewards are the far greater!!!      :campfire:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: horatio1226 on May 26, 2010, 08:20:00 PM
Count me in !
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Guru on May 26, 2010, 08:53:00 PM
Whip, You did a real good thing buddy!    :notworthy:  

The negativity of some is just ridiculous, yes...ridiculous!!

I'll never understand how some people think    "[dntthnk]"    :(   sad really....

I mean seriously...you're not going to participate because of a thread about trying to get things going to make more money for sick kids....com'on!

Keep the faith guys,never mind the folks that just "don't get it"

I'll say it again, Whip you did good brother!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: jhg on May 26, 2010, 08:57:00 PM
Just like politics. Its now "us" vs "them", "you" vs "me".

Thanks to everyone their contributions, however they see fit to make them. Lets not let this drift into bad feelings.

J-
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Whip on May 26, 2010, 09:03:00 PM
Deadbolt, I don't argue about stuff on here. Please, just go back and read my last post and if there is something about it that you don't understand or take exception to send me a PM.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Nakohe on May 26, 2010, 09:04:00 PM
Deadbolt,

I have read this whole thread and no one is pressuring anyone to donate or bid that I could see. Whip was just reminding us that the auction was coming up and if we had things to donate we needed to get it done. I applaud you for what you do in your eveyday life, but do not make judgements on others for what we do. I have been a member here for quite a while and have never been pressured to do anything. This site has become a family to me that has prayed for me and helped me through some tough times. Loosing a wife to cancer, loosing a job to a bad economy, etc. They step up each and every day to help one another in either deed or prayer and I am proud to be a member here. I have participated in the St. Judes acution every year because it is a great cause not because I felt pressured to do it. Participate if you want to or not if you do not. No one will judge you either way. Ok enough of the soap box. Nuff said
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Terry Green on May 26, 2010, 09:04:00 PM
Whip,

I always like making lemon aid out lemons.....so I'll make up for the "friend that was doing to donate a few items but is not because of this post" tomorrow....not sure how, but I will.  I'll find something to make up for it.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Throop on May 26, 2010, 09:06:00 PM
I want to donate but don't have a card also I thought up that trade gang should charge ten dollars a year and donate that money to st Jude's. It would also keep people from just signing up and possibly ripping people off. 10 dollars a year membership donated to the kids. My thoughts.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: owlbait on May 26, 2010, 09:10:00 PM
Whip, I love ya Brother! Not a better person or more well meaning thread started in awhile. I must've got your vibe because I posted another small item on the Auction site before I read your post. I love helping the kids, but I'm a little selfish too. I have great fun bidding, sniping, and buying items.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Larry Surtees on May 26, 2010, 09:12:00 PM
Horatio1226 posted:

A good cause is a good cause. Is it about the kids or the feelings of the "grown ups"? Its a great cause

Ask these folks what they think


http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=d1473cb95601a110VgnVCM1000001e0215acRCRD&vgnextchannel=7f0b7ff0be118010VgnVCM1000000e2015acRCRD
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: gregg dudley on May 26, 2010, 09:19:00 PM
WOW!  I have read and re-read Joe's original post on this thread and am amazed that anyone would take it for anything other than what it was intended.  If you can not donate, do not feel obligated to donate, spend your time and resources elsewhere, or otherwise do not want to participate, so be it.  

I can not imagine feeling personally insulted by the call to action that was originally posted.  I certainly can not imagine being so turned off by it as to change your mind about donating to the St Jude's cause.  

I understand the toughness of the economy and the fact that as a society we are spread pretty thin right now. However, the number of donors vs the number of tradgang members speaks to general apathy.

Joe,  thanks for trying to rally the troops.  Your intentions were noble and the results have been more positive than not.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: John3 on May 26, 2010, 09:19:00 PM
Great thread Whip...!

This is ALL about the kids.

Lets do this big time June 1st...!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: David Mitchell on May 26, 2010, 09:24:00 PM
I will NEVER understand the attitudes of some posting here.  I am grateful to Whip for the post--I put up a beautiful bow and set of Autumn Orange arrows.  I can be counted on from now on to support the sick kids that St. Jude's helps.  Haven't felt this good in a while.  Whip you are the man  :notworthy: .
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: shaft slinger on May 26, 2010, 09:31:00 PM
I wasn't going to donate this year as i give all year long and was having trouble getting things together this year, i have cancer and it is hard to find time between treatments and trying to get the every day things done, i will get it done though, may not be much but it will work.
  All i can say is if you don't want to
give then DON,T, you won't be missed by me ,but maybe by the kids.
   And
who ever your are I Hope You never have to go through this.   :archer2:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: pdk25 on May 26, 2010, 09:52:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
 
QuoteOriginally posted by pdk25:
  I just don't think that the judgements that are implied in this thread on someone who chooses not to donate are justified.  I've bid on items in the past for this auction, but I think I'll sit this one out.
You are going to miss out on your own blessings of the fun of the auction, and not help sick kids based on Whip's post?

Hurt yourself and the kids based on a post?....Cut your nose of to spite your face?  What kind of attitude are you promoting?  Think about it. What are you accomplishing with that mentality? [/b]
Don't get me wrong.  I hope that more people donate and that you get record numbers again.  I'm glad that more people decided to participate based on this post, and I'm not rooting against the auction.   Believe me, I do my part more than you know.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Kenneth on May 26, 2010, 09:53:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
Whip,

I always like making lemon aid out lemons.....so I'll make up for the "friend that was doing to donate a few items but is not because of this post" tomorrow....not sure how, but I will.  I'll find something to make up for it.
Count me in as well for a little extra to make up for a couple who don't want to donate now.  I know I have a few more things here somewhere.

Great post Whip!!  :thumbsup:    Thanks to all who donate and contribute to this great cause!!  :pray:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Mudd on May 26, 2010, 10:36:00 PM
I am glad that Terry and Whip made the posts they made.
Did I feel pressured into giving because of them or their posts... nope.. but I did feel a conviction in my heart that I wanted to do for some sick children who need me to help as best I can. That conviction didn't come from Terry or Whip but I thank them for helping me kick start my thinking.

I wear my heart on my sleeve as most folks know but I make no apology for that. I also speak my mind/heart but never push anyone in any direction or belief.
I've been here since Moby Dick was in a fish bowl and I am a proud member of Tradgang, always have been, always will be.
If I ever offend anyone with my posts I would hope you'd pm me like a decent person and we can talk, if nothing else maybe we can agree to disagree.. that's fine....

But this is about the kids and it really only "happens" for the most part once a year.

My past experiences tells me most folks have fun with it and feel good about what we've(tradgang) has done and is doing for the kids and the kids alone.(it's not about us)

Sometimes folks are in such a position that all they can give is applause.. and applause and cheerleaders are always welcome and needed.

I ramble too much! Forgive me!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Shinken on May 26, 2010, 10:38:00 PM
Amen Mudd!  Amen!

IT is FUN!

Shoot straight, Shinken
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: owlbait on May 26, 2010, 10:38:00 PM
Retracted. PM if you want to discuss it.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Walt Francis on May 26, 2010, 10:55:00 PM
Joe, YOU DONE GOOD......REAL GOOD!  Don't pay any mind to those who tell you different.

Terry,
There is no need for you to find anything new for the auction; you contribute more then your share already.  I have your pledge covered with a couple of donations.  They will get posted this weekend when I get home and am able to take some good pictures to post with the items.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: CoilSpring on May 26, 2010, 10:59:00 PM
Deadbolt said, "Glad to see the (my) post got yanked..."

Perhaps one day you will have the wisdom to understand truly why it was yanked, but it will take a change in the way you think and in your attitude to gain that wisdom. For your sake and the many you help everyday as an EMT, I hope you seek that change.  I understand where you're coming from - I've been there; it's just no fun there all by yourself.
Take care,
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: CoilSpring on May 26, 2010, 11:25:00 PM
Perhaps one day...
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: on May 26, 2010, 11:26:00 PM
Before i gave a bunch of my stuff away last year I considered this, but I was embarrassed about how hard my bows get used, even though I know they are all 100% other than the finish.  But then those who have them have done well with them, and could put them to good use.  However, I don't like to see anyone judging and arguing, it may discourage bidders, like me. I challenge anyone with a good 50 to 55 pound short left hand recurve to donate it.  If you got one I will be jumping all over it.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: pdk25 on May 26, 2010, 11:31:00 PM
pavan; You shouldn't be swayed one way or the other by discussions/arguments on this post.  Bid and/or donate if you think that is the right thing to do.  I'm done posting on this thread because I don't want it to be construed that I am against the auction or trying to convince others not to participate.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: 30coupe on May 26, 2010, 11:36:00 PM
I've never done anything with the St. Jude's auction in the past because I seem to be donating to some great cause every time I turn around, and there's only so much I can do on a teacher's salary. I am now two days away from retirement, meaning my income will drop to 65 percent of a teacher's salary. I do think St. Jude's is a wonderful cause, but I kept wondering as I read this entire post, what I could do about it.

I will try to find something to bid on, but funds will be limited. I finally figured out something to donate that I think will be a great item, and mine seems to be the only one listed. I'm putting up my copy of Primal Dreams! I have watched it a few times and probably could a few more, but it will do more good with someone else viewing it and the kids benefiting from it.

Thanks for the post Whip! I really wasn't all that committed until others started posting negative responses. I don't think St. Jude's is what Tradgang is all about at all, but I can't find it in my heart to see anything negative in your trying to do a good turn for children. I have three children, three grandchildren, and have taught hundreds of other children. I remember Danny Thomas's passion for St. Jude's when I was a kid watching him on black and white TV. What has always stuck with me is the fact that NO CHILD IS EVER TURNED AWAY! What could be more powerful than that?

On the positive side, even though the number of items may be lower, the donations have kept a pretty close pace. I joined in 2006. Since then we have 2.48 times as many members. In 2009 we donated 2.05 times as much as was donated in 2006. The number of members was about 2.13 times as many as in 2006. That's coming pretty close, considering the economy.

Keep up the great work guys and gals!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Paul Mattson on May 27, 2010, 12:17:00 AM
Wow! Just read six pages of posts, the only thought I can add to this; if you have a dime put it up for auction.  Someone will bid  a $1.00 on it.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: coaster500 on May 27, 2010, 12:43:00 AM
From Terry to Whip

"Since you posted this this morning, we have had the biggest listing day so far by far. 46 listings. The night is young, and lets see what else it brings..."

What ever works  :)
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: just_a_hunter on May 27, 2010, 01:17:00 AM
God bless you all, and God bless those kids..

Todd
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: on May 27, 2010, 01:37:00 AM
Well it is true that we all can easily find people in need that could use a hand in many places, my experience with trad shooters is that they are the first to step forward to lend a needed hand, this is certainly one of those times.  I don't think anyone should feel bad about not having something to donate or if money is tight, they are limited in that way.  I can add this, once about thirty years ago, we did not have enough money to buy groceries.  A couple across the street came over, he tuned my little pickup because he heard it back firing. Noticing that money was tight for us, he handed me a twenty.  I told him that I would pay him back when I got paid.  He said no.  He got the twenty from a door to door salesman.  He was unemployed and told the salesman that he had no job and no money.  The salesman told him to give the twenty to someone else in need and to tell them to do the same for someone someday. Not bragging, but I am still giving that twenty dollar bill away and it keeps coming back.  If you cannot give this time, do what you can for whom ever, when you get the opportunity.  Times are tough right now for many and they may very well get worse. It is a good time for everyone to pull together and do what ever we can do to be the helping hand for someone in need.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Hooked on May 27, 2010, 02:01:00 AM
Man!  I am blown away by all the negative posts!  I read Whip's original post and just can't understand the way some people think!

Maybe my perspective is a little different than most.  My son has not been to St. Judes, but to Children's Mercy.  And they operate much the same way, in that no kid is turned away.  I just lost my job, but I know when Garrett has to go in for his third open heart surgery this Fall there wont be any questions about whether I can afford it or not.  They take care of the kids first and foremost!

If it was not for all the donations these facilities get then that would not be the case!

I can see where some folks may not want to participate for whatever reason, and that is their own decision. If ya don't want to or (due to circumstances) can't participate, then don't, you don't have to justify your decision to anyone! And no one is going to judge you one way or the other.  But, don't get on here and make negative comments about helping the kids!  Just keep them to yourself or pm Terry if ya have a problem.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: TheFatboy on May 27, 2010, 02:46:00 AM
No one likes to be forced into something. Whether this is the case or not, only a narrow minded individual would "retain" his honor, at the cost of the lives of children.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: on May 27, 2010, 02:55:00 AM
One of my very favorite things is up for auction and should be just about the right size, I plan on dropping one big fat bid on it, if you plan on running the bid up on it, Todd, i hope it fits you.  Actually, come to think of it, you won't regret beating me if you get it, but whomever beats me will get my congratulations anyway.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: bow loving man on May 27, 2010, 05:30:00 AM
Thanks Whip for the reminder, I too have a few things to list, just been busy!
If you know me, you know I am religious,it's my calling in life, and I praise the work of St Jude's! I have referred and helped several families to recieve care from them.  They are a wonderful organization and really do change lives through their research and care to children in need!  Let the bidding begin!!!!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Eugene Slagle on May 27, 2010, 06:05:00 AM
Unfortunatly I do not have anything that is worth donating for the St. Judes cause but as often as I can I donate $$$$ to them.

A few of my fellow club members are working hard to get the 1st Annual St. Jude VBA Charity shoot going, I would personally be there my self this year but my work has me working that Saturday but throught my club we are giving support & donations.

I understand this thread but some have to remember that not everyone can Donate due to the times we have today.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Whip on May 27, 2010, 07:17:00 AM
As I have already stated, my goal in starting this post was not in any way intended to make anyone feel guilty for not participating.  My simple goal was to increase the number of people who do get involved, and in no way would I think that everyone who visits here will do that.  

Heck, if only 5% of the people registered here would either donate something or get involved in the bidding we would be overwhelmed.  So if 95% of the people here are not in a position to help, or personally support other causes instead, or whatever the case might be, that is great!  No pressure, no guilt, just a simple nudge for those who may be so inclined.

I guess I really shook the bushes on this one.  I'm sorry if my thoughts offended anyone.  But the bottom line is that listings on the auction have picked up, and that gladdens my heart.  

Heck, I even rattled myself out of the bushes!  Went to the basement last night and found a couple more things that I hadn't been planning on listing, but will add them today.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: vermonster13 on May 27, 2010, 07:28:00 AM
Thank you to all that have found a way to donate. Page six is well under way. We need bidders too of course and the folks who do that are greatly appreciated. If you can't donate or bid there is always a need for folks to cheer(never under estimate the power of a good cheerleader!).
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Eugene Slagle on May 27, 2010, 07:40:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Whip:
As I have already stated, my goal in starting this post was not in any way intended to make anyone feel guilty for not participating.  My simple goal was to increase the number of people who do get involved, and in no way would I think that everyone who visits here will do that.  

Heck, if only 5% of the people registered here would either donate something or get involved in the bidding we would be overwhelmed.  So if 95% of the people here are not in a position to help, or personally support other causes instead, or whatever the case might be, that is great!  No pressure, no guilt, just a simple nudge for those who may be so inclined.

I guess I really shook the bushes on this one.  I'm sorry if my thoughts offended anyone.  But the bottom line is that listings on the auction have picked up, and that gladdens my heart.  

Heck, I even rattled myself out of the bushes!  Went to the basement last night and found a couple more things that I hadn't been planning on listing, but will add them today.
You didn't do anything wrong because it is a great cause & the word should be out on the efforts but to some I see that the wording could have come across wrong & demanding.

I personally wish I could do more but I have nothing at home that I could donate to the gang here.

Next year I'll have some items to place on the auction block, I have a bunch of Hunt club buds that has some stuff that they can let go but I have to aske em.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Terry Green on May 27, 2010, 08:53:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by TheFatboy:
No one likes to be forced into something. Whether this is the case or not, only a narrow minded individual would "retain" his honor, at the cost of the lives of children.
Thought that was worth reading again.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Barney on May 27, 2010, 09:02:00 AM
Good job Whip   :readit:    :thumbsup:

I'd have to admit, there's a few things on this site I don't care for but it's not my yard so I play by the rules. So I'll stick with that now and not say what I'd like. I will say.....If you think St. Judes auction is a religious auction.....you haven't been reading much or it's just selective reading. If you get anything at all from this site.....it wouldn't hurt ya to give a little.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Mudd on May 27, 2010, 09:04:00 AM
Here's a challenge!!! For all of those who participated in Tradgangs' fun "White Elephant dealings" take a look in your goodies from it and see what you might part with. I don't think the person who sent you your "White Elephant" package will be offended if they see something in the auction that they sent to you. I sure hope David Camp aka Shinken doesn't mind...lol since I'm going to pick out something from the package to add to the auction. I think I'll also just enjoy going back over everything again! (yeppers) It's still in the box if it's something I haven't put to use already and I know exactly where the box is since its still sitting beside my chair at the kitchen table where I opened it...lol

Anyway that's my challenge to those tradgang members who know who you are!!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: BobCo 1965 on May 27, 2010, 09:15:00 AM
Just wanted to comment on the original post. When I first signed up on tradgang, I had no idea what the St. Judes auction was all about. I saw posts and such but really didn't particpate because nothing was really explained well. After I was in tradgang a while I got the hang of it better and ended winning a hunting trip with Joe and Shaun which will last a lifetime of memories for myself and buddy.

Maybe it would be possible to put something up when a person signs up explaining the auction, just so they are aware of it.

I read through a lot of posts on this thread, and am having a hard time with comments of percentages going toward this or that or the CEO's salary, etc. Seems kind of sad to me. Everything seems to be better then in line IMO, but some people fail to see it.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Terry Green on May 27, 2010, 09:21:00 AM
Yep, it is sad to see the attitudes of some trying to destroy the efforts by others, and the kids are in the balance.  Also sad to see a couple of members 'fall on their swords'....but they showed their true colors of the opposing flag.

"The Dogs are a barkin, but the caravan keeps moving" - Dick Cheney
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: on May 27, 2010, 10:10:00 AM
I don't see that good 50 to 55 pound short left hand recurve on the list yet. There are certainly a couple of things that I plan on winning, but I have a question.  I will not be home from my Canadian trip until June 17, I apologize in advance for the late payment.  I will gladly add the 3% when using paypal, does each item I plan on winning need to be payed for separately or would it be better to lump them together?
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: lpcjon2 on May 27, 2010, 10:17:00 AM
To any who feel that they are being forced to donate or may feel guilty,Thats your conscience talkin to ya.Just think of all the time you spent complaining about the way you perceived Whip's thread.How much was that time worth,maybe $1.00 or $2.00 that dollar could have made a difference.If you want to borrow a dollar to donate I will give you one!
Just a thought what if someone close to you needed the services of St.Jude would you want us to run an auction then!
 Take the lint from your naval and put it in the auction and I will bid on it! it will make a few bucks!
and I was an EMT/FF volunteer for 15 yrs and I did it for me not recognition.look up the word volunteer.
God bless all who contribute.Tim
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on May 27, 2010, 10:24:00 AM
lpcjon, I'll take one..

wayne hoffman
PO Box 477
Gray Ga 31032
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: lpcjon2 on May 27, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
Biggie,I was going to say I didn't want your naval lint!My wife would ask why I bought a squirrels nest...LOL
 I will send you your dollar!But I want to see your bid!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: on May 27, 2010, 10:48:00 AM
I will bid on Biggies recurve if he tells me what it pulls, but I don't want him to lose any belly button lint over it.  there is no way i am bidding on any ones bb lint.  Maybe it is just jealousy on my part, ever since my surgery last year and the reason before for that said surgery, I don't ever have any myself to offer for bidding.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Whip on May 27, 2010, 11:10:00 AM
No worries at all pavan, you'd be there if you could, but have your own things to deal with and you need to keep your focus on that.  We're all behind you 100%, and no explainations are necessary.  Just your positive comments and attitude help more than you will ever know.  

As someone mentioned before, cheerleaders are also a big part of the auction every year.  Those you might not be able to afford to bid can certainly egg on those that can.  Help to keep items from slipping too far to the bottom of the bidding threads.  

Bernie is the biggest St. Jude cheerleader ever, and as he would say, nip at their heals like a small barking dog, and help to push as far as we collectively can.  

The auction is all great fun, and if you haven't experienced it before, take a little time this year to check it out.  There is plenty of good natured ribbing, and some of the most spirited bidding happens when two good friends decide to go head to head.  

The generosity and goodwill displayed on the auction each year is a true inspiration, and you would have to see it to believe it.  I've seen people fight like cats and dogs bidding an item up far beyond its real value.  And then afterwards, the winning bidder sent the item to the guy that was bidding against him.  Stranger things than Biggie's belly lint have brought real dollars for the kids.  (Well, maybe that would be the strangest if he does it!)  Biggie, if you donate it and I win, will you ship it to someone else?  ;)  

Some things go high, and others are bargains - both ends of the spectrum are found every year.  For those that haven't participated before, the only way you will ever really know what the St. Jude auction is all about is to at least visit it this year, and see for yourself.  I'm guessing you will be amazed!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Terry Green on May 27, 2010, 11:17:00 AM
Thanks for the comment Walt....much appreciated...but I'm gonna do something anyway.

Not sure what yet....been busy moving listings all morning.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Mudd on May 27, 2010, 11:20:00 AM
"Just your positive comments and attitude help more than you will ever know." .....Whip!

"Sometimes folks are in such a position that all they can give is applause.. and applause and cheerleaders are always welcome and needed."...me!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Eugene Slagle on May 27, 2010, 11:24:00 AM
Then for this round, I'll be a cheer leader...
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: lpcjon2 on May 27, 2010, 11:47:00 AM
Just an example of what a dollar could do.I just put up for auction $10.00 worth of scratch off lottery tickets.Thats ten chances to win.That way we all win

 Eugene the thought of you in a camo skirt doing a split is making my day.Thanks Tim
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: on May 27, 2010, 11:55:00 AM
I have to go away for a couple of days, music stuff, but i am giving fair warning to all those eyeing the stuff I will be bidding on, Tuesday June 1, the hammer comes down. Good luck.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on May 27, 2010, 11:58:00 AM
I'll donate the bb lint but someone will have to pick it out for me....I can't see it!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: lpcjon2 on May 27, 2010, 12:01:00 PM
Isn't that why you got married? Oh and I just mailed you dollar.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Doc Nock on May 27, 2010, 12:04:00 PM
I've stayed out of this one up till now. I can understand that folks have other things as many have said... and things close to their heart. Anyone new, who hasn't gone through a few of these auctions... should read the old ones in archive and see the rediculous, hilarious, banter and humor that goes on for days on end.  :)

The past few of these caught me with nothing to give or spend...but knowing that I could use some stuff...I bid early at what I could afford and was always out bid... there were a few sleeper items that somehow came my way.

Few years back, I've gotten a custom built piece of oak furniture from a guy in MD who was close enough we split the distance and got to share a chat at our exchange place...

Mostly, I have poked, prodded and just heckled my way through for many years... and in the process, I've built some tremendous friendships over time here mostly through the banter on the auction.

I have a Children's Hospital right in my back yard. I worked at one in VA (Norfolk) for years. Neither have the 'heart' of St. Judes and I'm old enough that I remember the telethons that Danny Thomas did for many, many years...

There are many, many incredible things offered up that I would love to bid on... but I can't and still cannot. I'm just glad that others can and do! MOre power to them! And then when those hunts or great bows or knives go on a hunt, we all get to share in the stories of those grand items!

But I will bid and I will make sure that nobody steals anything!!  :)  

As said, it's been a personally rewarding experience to have so many friendships evolve from the teasing and chiding and fun of the auction...and then to know I've been some 'tiny' part of raising money for sick kids..

... read my tag line...it's been there a long, long time and it will never change--both as a tribute to a person I admired then who still works so hard for 'life-limited kids' and for the cause itself.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Eugene Slagle on May 27, 2010, 12:05:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by lpcjon2:
Just an example of what a dollar could do.I just put up for auction $10.00 worth of scratch off lottery tickets.Thats ten chances to win.That way we all win

 Eugene the thought of you in a camo skirt doing a split is making my day.Thanks Tim
I'll be sure to wear my purdiest one then.   :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: BowHuntingFool on May 27, 2010, 12:36:00 PM
Excellent post Joe, you got me involved after reading this thread! I'm a first time donor and will continue to do so! Thanks for the little nudge to get me goin! Cheers!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Northwest_Bowhunter on May 27, 2010, 01:03:00 PM
I have posted a longbow for auction but don't know how to post pictures of it...help please.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Stiks-n-Strings on May 27, 2010, 01:04:00 PM
Good for you Whip on starting this post.

I built a hand tooled quiver and was planning on keeping it from the get go but had some comments on how much guys here liked it and I thought "Shoot Dang! I can build anothern" I was just gonna leave it at that but you got me diggin a little deeper bud.   :readit:  

Got to go post some stuff for the auction now!


Stiks
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: sndmn11 on May 27, 2010, 02:04:00 PM
I am at work and don't have a ton of time to sift through all the different threads with "St. Judes" in the title.  Can somebody send me a pm with when the deadline for posting an item to be bid on?
Thank You
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Mudd on May 27, 2010, 02:11:00 PM
Good question! sndmn11. Thanks for asking it and BTW when is the deadline for getting something posted?...lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: vermonster13 on May 27, 2010, 02:14:00 PM
This is the thread with the Auction rules and such.

http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=148;t=000002
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Northwest_Bowhunter on May 27, 2010, 02:18:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Stiks-n-Strings:
I commend those of you like Terry and Whip for having the peanuts to call it like they see it and putting this whole thing together.
I agree with you 100% Stiks... I have been on a lot of boards and a lot of lists and this one really lives up to its name.  A Gang, of folks with very traditional values and leaders that have a feeling of community behind them.  What is the point in having such a community if you can put it to use helping those that need it most.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: sndmn11 on May 27, 2010, 02:46:00 PM
So I have until 6/1 at 8pm to post an item for bidding?
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: gregg dudley on May 27, 2010, 02:56:00 PM
Yes.  Sometimes things trickle in after that, but they tend to get lost in the shuffle and never bring what they could if they were posted sooner.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Bill Turner on May 27, 2010, 06:06:00 PM
Great post Whip. You got the ball rolling for sure. I'd been meaning to post my unused, new condition, old,Bear 8 arrow snap on quiver, but just never got around to it. Your post pushed me over the ledge. I'll also be trying to buy a few items. If I get outbid, I'll just make a donation at the end of the auction. Every little bit helps. God Bless St. Judes and all the kids under their care, and God Bless the men and women on this site for caring.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: 4runr on May 27, 2010, 07:18:00 PM
Whip, my friend, there will be a special place for you when we are done with you here on earth  :wavey:  

You got my mind headed in the right direction with your post. We are not doing the Banana bread this year due to lack of time and other things. I've looked through my stuff and nothing seemed to say"St. Jude's". After reading this thread I've come up with a couple items to donate. Thank you Brother.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: owlbait on May 27, 2010, 07:35:00 PM
I'll send an extra $10 if Terry doesn't quote Dick Cheney again! Mission Accomplished...but for real this time, and for the kids!  :thumbsup:    :clapper:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Terry Green on May 27, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
Thanks Whip!...We are now passed last years donation numbers in items...which I felt we'd need to be to do last years numbers.

Thanks again.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: ber643 on May 27, 2010, 09:32:00 PM
Northwest_Hunter, If you could send the pics to most anyone they could put them on for you but they can't get onto the thread untill the bidding opens. However, if you send them to a moderator I think they can get in to post the pics for you now (early). Hope this helps.

That was funny, Biggie (to me anyway) about not being able to see the ol' BB - a pair of long shanked tweezers might hep ya a heap -       ;)    

Thanks, Whip - I love doing what I can, it is one of the biggest highlights of my year - and, BTW, that post was as good as your first one was.
I may even find a couple more items after this weekends shoot. I'm just so sorry I've had to ask for shipping on all of my items this year. My daughter's operation (that she had no money for) about wiped me out.

(This is a fine example of how long it takes me to two-finger-type up a post -     :rolleyes:    )
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: DW on May 27, 2010, 10:23:00 PM
Whip, you're the man for getting the Gang motivated! We've still got a bunch more to list and we've got a few surprises also........Skyler thinks you should buy the bowfishing trip AND the Catfish Noodlin' trip. We can do it all in a week-end and then you would have the "Complete Southern Experience"  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: knife river on May 28, 2010, 12:54:00 AM
Thanks, Whip, and well said.  There's a mindset some folks have that I'll never understand -- you can give them a bag full of gold and they'll bitch about the bag.      :knothead:  

Now I need to go add something to the auction...    :)
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on May 28, 2010, 01:46:00 AM
I'm glad the donations are rolling in.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Terry Green on May 28, 2010, 08:00:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by knife river:
  There's a mindset some folks have that I'll never understand -- you can give them a bag full of gold and they'll bitch about the bag.       :knothead:  

Amen
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Eugene Slagle on May 28, 2010, 08:53:00 AM
Not for the Tradgang but I did score a 15K mile service from my Shop manager here at Radley Chevrolet to add to the auction block for the 1st Annual St. Jude & VBA Charity Shoot, I had already donated to this cause & thought that I could get something from where I work at.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: azhunter on May 28, 2010, 10:11:00 AM
Whip...THANKS I will find some items to donate.  You have a great heart. My wife and I donate a lot to our church and other charities. I am one of those that have said I cannot donate to everything so I did not participate in this auction the way I should. Count me in I will be donating.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Whip on May 28, 2010, 12:11:00 PM
I'm truly humbled by the response to this thread. Never expected anything like this, but I sure am glad I opened my mouth.

Thanks so much for everything you all do, whether donating, bidding, cheerleading, or whatever. And thank you to everyone for all the kind words here, with PM's phone calls, etc. I can't tell you how much it means to me.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: lpcjon2 on May 28, 2010, 12:44:00 PM
Group Hug!!!!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: firsted on May 28, 2010, 01:42:00 PM
I'll have to say that it was because of TradGang's affiliation w/St. Jude's that I knew I found a place to trade ideas,bows, etc.  In fact, the first thing I did was introduce myself to Terry Green & others that seemed to be making this happen so I could donate my heavy Bighorn takedown.  I've volunteered over 10 years of my time helping folks with disabilities and am honored to be a part of TG.
Eddie Paulsgrove
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: cahaba on May 28, 2010, 03:56:00 PM
Good job Whip. I don't have any items this year to give but my wife and I give to St. Judes on a monthly basis. Great job Tgangers on your giving.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: on May 28, 2010, 07:12:00 PM
I am back for the evening and already a problem with the auction has churned up in my house.  It seems that there are more high ticket items that would be just the right thing for my wife than me. To make it more complicated I will not be around for the last days of the auction.  This is going get complicated, my last contact with the civilized world will be June 6 and I won't be back until June 17.  The not knowing is going to drive me nuts. I guess I am just going fire both barrels and see what drops.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: SveinD on May 28, 2010, 08:20:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
 
QuoteOriginally posted by knife river:
  There's a mindset some folks have that I'll never understand -- you can give them a bag full of gold and they'll bitch about the bag.        :knothead:    

Amen [/b]
Dude, you should have used a silk bag, not your old burlap leftovers^^

Also I think Whip knows how much he is appreciated here! The same goes for all the other organizers, donators and bidders.

After reading the first post I started looking for something convenient to give and found my old digital camera. I thought "this will bring in another 20-30$ maybe", but then I found out shipping from Norway would be at least 60$ so I think I'll find some other way to participate  :)

Still, it's a good thing that a community this big even bothers! So kudos to all participants, and to all the other folks, you are still liked  ;)
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: sndmn11 on May 28, 2010, 09:23:00 PM
Thank you guys for your patience with my question on the previous page that probably had a pretty obvious answer, I appreciate it!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: dragon rider on May 31, 2010, 08:47:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by owlbait:
I'll send an extra $10 if Terry doesn't quote Dick Cheney again! Mission Accomplished...but for real this time, and for the kids!   :thumbsup:      :clapper:  
Owlbait,  I'll throw in another $90 to make it $100 on that condition.


Whip,  Thanks for your inspiration; I've spent the last two weeks working on building a staircase - a much more time consuming project than one might think, but I have some stuff I'll be putting up tomorrow.

TradGang, If you ever meet a more decent, honorable and charitably motivated human being than Whip, please let me know, 'cause I'd sure like to meet that person.
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: lpcjon2 on May 31, 2010, 09:02:00 PM
Whip, In short you done good!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Guru on May 31, 2010, 09:42:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by dragon rider:
Quote
TradGang, If you ever meet a more decent, honorable and charitably motivated human being than Whip, please let me know, 'cause I'd sure like to meet that person. [/b]
:clapper:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on June 01, 2010, 11:48:00 AM
Well guys,, true to his word, Ol Tim (Lpcjon2)sent me a dollar so I could donate it to BobW's money thread. I was gonna donate it REALLY! But I went past the Dairy Queen and they had 2 sausage biscuits for 99 cents and well........

I felt so guilty about spending the kids dollar I almost couldn't eat the second one.

Obama says you can buy your way out of anything, so I think $20 will clear me on this deal.
Thanks Tim, I can always say you are a man of your word!!
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Whip on June 01, 2010, 11:58:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Biggie Hoffman:

Obama says you can buy your way out of anything, so I think $20 will clear me on this deal.
Thanks Tim, I can always say you are a man of your word!!
You say that like you believe what he's selling Biggie.   :notworthy:      :notworthy:      :notworthy:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Terry Green on June 01, 2010, 12:18:00 PM
:archer2:
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: Shaun on June 01, 2010, 12:29:00 PM
WAY too big! How the heck am I gonna outbid 20,000+ people on these items! I'll just have to bid early and hope the server goes down.

Good thread Whip and let the fun begin. Just a few hours to go...
Title: Re: Has Trad Gang gotten too large?
Post by: leatherneck on June 01, 2010, 12:48:00 PM
HOLY BEJESUS!!!!! I go to work for a couple days and this is what I come back to. Biggies belly button lint, Terrys quote from Cheney( I believe someone even quoted Obama), and some foolishness about "because of this post I'm not going to participate now". Have you all lost your minds!!!!!!!!!!!Go ahead fools, take your ball and go home. Life really does have an expiration date and alot of these kids don't have much time left. I haven't the foggiest idea what I have in the basement but I'm going a looking. I'm sure I can find something. Thanks Joe for reminding me that tomorrow may not be here for some of these kids so I need to act today. Later all,I have some pics to take.

Terry, can I get on page 10? Thats where I hope it will be when I crawl out of the basement.