What do most of you use for brass inserts to carbon shafts?
For my other style bow I used Ferrel cement for my inserts and they hold tight,never had one come out!
For the Easton Trad Only's I simply use the hot melt glue, for Gold Tips the hot melt doesn't hold the inserts in and I have to use epoxy. So it depends on the internal makeup of your shafts.
I lost four inserts today in my gt's. One was hot melt, and three were superglue. I'm going to use epoxy next. I hear it works well.
I switched to JB Weld, used epoxy and heard a few complaints. Been using JB Weld for several months now.
I lightly score the inside of the shaft with a chainsaw file. I also score the inserts with sandpaper so I am glueing to fresh metal. I clean both surfaces with acetone on a Q tip. Surface preparation is probably the most important step with all bonding. Chad
I go with the Hot Melt.Easy removel when and if you want and hold great for me!!
so far have had good luck with Gorilla brand super glue
Does JB Weld work for broadheads to screw on inserts? Does it "release" with heat?
The key to getting inserts to hold in is to properly prep the shafts and inserts.I etch or scratch the inside of the shaft with a brush,then I'll scratch up the brass insert with sandpaper.Then I clean everything with alcohol and let dry a few minutes.Then I'll mix up a two part 24 hr epoxy and install the inserts,never lost any inserts with the proper prep.I don't use heat on my carbons,there is not a carbon arrow maker that recommends using any kind of heat on their carbon arrows.
I use hot melt and haven't had any problems.
Gorilla glue.
clean inside shaft with denatured alcohol (use q tip)and gold tip tip grip
I use Kimsha Quick-Stick. Hot glue because you can change out your inserts should you decide to use a different weight or for whatever reason. I have had a good track record with this system and brass inserts in Beman MFX shafts.
KRis
I use superglue, but I first clean the inside of the arrow with alcohol , or the insert will eventually pull out. :archer2:
Gorilla glue. Mark the inserts where you want them rotated to for your broadheads. Clean and apply the glue.
Set the insert in with a fieldpoint and put the arrow in the corner, point down the gorilla glue from pushing the insert out.
Epoxy, hot melt, superglue, and jbweld have failed me. Gorilla never has...
Hot Melt on Axis arrows works good!
That Devon 2 part 24 hour epoxy is the best but I can't find it anymore. JB weld works good but I have found that the Loc tite waterproof 2 part epoxy works good. I get it at Lowes and Home Depot.LCH
QuoteOriginally posted by Zbearclaw:
Gorilla glue. Mark the inserts where you want them rotated to for your broadheads. Clean and apply the glue.
Set the insert in with a fieldpoint and put the arrow in the corner, point down the gorilla glue from pushing the insert out.
Epoxy, hot melt, superglue, and jbweld have failed me. Gorilla never has...
I tried it and ruined 2 dozen arrows...glue pushes through the insert in the back and fills the threads. I regret ever getting carbons and gorilla glue.
I've had good luck with hot melt.
I use Loctite super glue that comes with the brush and clean inside of shaft. never a problem
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insert iron!!
Another vote for JB weld. I use a bronze .243 cal bore brush and scrub inside of shaft and clean every thing up with Acetone. Let it set up for 24 hours and they will NEVER come out.
I have used most, but not all, of the products you have posted. There is a lot of shock every time you fire the arrow, and with enough shocks, everything I've used eventually breaks loose. I'm not sure I would want anything that is absolutely permanent anyway, since sometimes I want to change the arrow configuration and want to get the insert out. Or, I miss the target and stick the arrow into wood and can't pull it out or twist the point out. In those cases, if I pull hard enough to pull the insert out of the arrow shaft, at least I can save the arrow shaft.
So as a compromise, this is what I do: every now and then before shooting, I will put the arrow point into a vise and twist it tight. This accomplishes two purposes: first, the arrow point is not inclined to twist loose as I shoot it; second, if the insert glue is about to break loose, it will probably break loose then, and I can pull the insert out and re-glue it before I shoot the arrow. Since I started doing this, I have lost a lot less inserts in targets.
I use hot melt.
Here's my procedure:
1. Rough up insert with red scotchbrite and clean with acetone.
2. Dip a .270 bore brush in acetone and scrub the inside of the shaft. Finish cleaning with q-tip moistened with acetone.
3. Screw the biggest field point you have in the insert, get your glue just to the melting point, and heat the insert until you feel the warmth on your field point. Apply your hot melt in a ring at the base of the insert, heat just a bit more, and insert into arrow, twisting it continually until seated. This will evenly distribute the glue and center the insert in the shaft.
4. Stand on field point end and allow to cool.
Have used this procedure for years on Gold Tips and Carbon Express with excellent results.
Hope it works for you if you decide to try it.
Harry
QuoteI tried it and ruined 2 dozen arrows...glue pushes through the insert in the back and fills the threads. I regret ever getting carbons and gorilla glue.
I still am a firm believer in Gorilla glue and use nothing else now. When this happens just run a tap in the insert and your good to go :thumbsup:
I use two part epoxy. Like the other guys said, cleaning first is a big factor. Good luck.