Delicate question guys.
Someone recommended I buy these arrows, they are really stiff, but I'm trying to tune them. I'm wondering if I should continue or sell them.
Do you think they probably should have recommended a lighter arrow?
it would take alot of weight up front for those to fly good.i shoot 53# and i shoot full lenth 35/55s with 200gr. up front.
I doubt you will get them to tune. Sell them and buy a lot lighter arrows.
It depends on the bow. I'm shooting a 53# Griffin and my 55/75 seem to shoot fine. Still messing with them though. Mine are 29.75 BOP w/ 50 gr brass insert, and 188 grains for point weight including the adapter.
Mike
I've been shooting 55/75s out of a couple of bows close to that poundage. Just have to load up the tip weights. 350 gr up front and cut to 31.25" ad they are flying like bullets out of several bows in the 51-54# range.
35/55's are the way to go for that draw weight...
QuoteOriginally posted by swampdrummer:
I've been shooting 55/75s out of a couple of bows close to that poundage. Just have to load up the tip weights. 350 gr up front and cut to 31.25" ad they are flying like bullets out of several bows in the 51-54# range.
Wow, 350 grains. Geez. Unfortunately, my arrows are 28 inches.
Ya I would go with some 35/55 GT or Trad Lites.
Both my Firefly's and my Selway longbow love 55/75's..31.5", 100 grain brass insert, and 200 tip.
Arrows come out at 623 grains, and I've zipped them through whitetails and an Antelope.
My bow's are 53@29 and 51@29"...
according to the spine calculator those should work with 100gr. inserts and 175gr. to 200gr. points.
My Big Jim Buffalo bow is 51# and I'm getting the 5575's to fly pretty good cut to 30" with 100gr. inserts and 125gr. points but I haven't played with it a lot yet; Just setting them up according to the spine calc. On the other hand I'm shooting 3555's out of the same bow and they are cut to 30" with 100gr. inserts and 175gr. points and they fly like darts for me even though the spine calculator says they are way underspined. Go figure!
The lenght of 28" makes that already stiff arrows,way too stiff for your set up.If you don't need to hunt dangerous games with a very heavy shaft,the 55/75 super front loaded,choose a weaker spine arrow.A 35/55 cut at 28" can still be froant loaded but more balanced for your poundage.
And then there is center shot of riser in the mix. I don't know this bow, but my Morrison is cut 3/16 past center...shooting 29.5" arrows, 28.75" draw, and have 260gr up front (brass insert & 160pt)and they're WEAK!!
I shimmed it out to Center and can get up to 275 total weight.
Oh... :) BTW, that is out of a set of 48# limbs!
Center cut of riser can make a huge difference w/ carbons!
52 # Widow PSA...55/75 GT cut to 29.5"s, 50 gr insert and 145-175 points. Perfect flight. And, bareshaft perfect.
QuoteOriginally posted by jesse cales:
it would take alot of weight up front for those to fly good.i shoot 53# and i shoot full lenth 35/55s with 200gr. up front.
My milage is very similar.
Load up the front if they don't spine go down to 3555.
They should work depending on center cut.
for comparison, im shooting 27.75" 5575 traditionals with a 100 gr insert and a 200 gr point out of a howatt hunter recurve 54# @ 26"
I use 5575s from Black Widow @ 53# with 31" draw and love them. I have 250gr up front on 32" arrows. Bare shaft even out to 30 yds with no problems. I even use them out of my 55# Firefly LB- same shafts and set up.
QuoteOriginally posted by Deadbolt:
Load up the front if they don't spine go down to 3555.
They should work depending on center cut.
Yeah, center cut is what's killin' me. I might try to load them up, or maybe unload them. LOL
I used 55-75 in my 54@ 28 Great Plains. Cut 29" with 100 grn. inserts and 125 grn BH or FP. They flew great for me.
I guess we're all different....I draw 31" shoot 52-54lbs and use those same arrows off of just about any bow I own with either 125, 145 or 175 up front with no problems
It doesn't matter what the spine calculator says, if they don't spine they don't spine.
I shoot 35/55 from my longbow 46@28 28.8" with 245 grain up front
I have not bare shaft tested but I can shoot the same arrow out of my recurve limbs 52@27 by dropping the grains to 200 up front, but that will put it at about 8.8 gpp.
I would use the 55/75 with the recurve limbs.
I have the same results as Pointer. I draw 31"s and shoot off a bear weather rest. I shoot 55/75s full length and they bare shaft perfect out to 30 yards with 125 or 145 grain points. All my bows are around 55#s and all shoot the same arrow well.
You need 3555's or any 500 deflection spine. My bows are all in the 46 - 53 pound range and mine likes the 3555's or my Easton trad only 500's.
I'd sell them and go with 35/55's. All my bows are around 50# @ 27" and I shoot the 35/55's with 125-225 gr up front on all of them.
I shoot those same arrows out of three different bows 2 longbows that are 48# at my 28" draw and a 55# recurve with 200gr points cut to 29" and they fly like darts out of all three. Tried 35-55 with the 48#ers and could not get them to fly good at all.
55# tip shooting 31.5 in ,175 gr shoots like a bullet
I would go with 3555 like most say.I shot 5575 out of my BW recurve 59@28 with 175 up front at 29" .
Center cut is critical, and unless i missed it, I don't see what it is. If you are center our out from center I would think for sure a 500 spine. If you are cut past center 1/8" or more with the strike plate on, you could load up the front and be fine.
My Nap flipper rest is as far out as it can go. The screw isn't long enough to go past center. So, I think I'm stuck with point weight or 3555's.
I shoot 50# at my 29.5" draw lwngth and I shoot 30,5" - 55/75's with 250gr up front (100gr brass insert and 150gr head) and that works great.
Bisch
I would think with the adjustable rest you should be able to make them work. I have some full length 35/55s I would get rid of.
I've got 2 longbows, 52 and 54 #'s. Both shoot a 29.5" 5575 with a 50 gr insert and 180 gr head.
44# @ 28", about 0 center cut, draw 30.5" (Aprox 51#), 31.5" GT 5575 with 265gr total up front.
Remember that a single inch in arrow lenght for a carbon arrow makes a big spine difference.So your 27" is absolutly not comparable to a 30" or 31" one.
Lots of replies. You guys are awesome!
Let's see, 18 people posted draw weight, arrow length, and point weight. That gives an average of: #53, 30.30" arrow, 230 grain points.
Some with longer arrows shoot heavier points, some with shorter arrows shoot lighter points, so no trend there. Likely it's arrow rest position. My arrow rest is maxed out, so I have to look to point weight. They're at 280 now, so I think maybe go up 25 or 75 grains (my bigger points increase by these amounts).
If I'm still not digging their flight by 355 grains up front (geez, foc 27%), I might sell them and pick up more 2018's or try 3555's or maybe a new bow since the rest is ticking me off.
Frank, after bareshafting at 20 and 25yds yesterday I found the 5575's were way to stiff for my 51# Buffalo bow. They were cut to 30" with 100gr. inserts and all the way up to 300gr. points! The 3555's flew like darts for me. I think you'd be better suited with the 3555's.
Remember the key is the side plate cut. It changes everything.
Kenneth, 400 grains, that's bad news.
FrankM,,,On the other side of the coin,,I shoot mostly Bears and Assenheimers,,45-51#'s,,and don't like alot of weight up front,,I just recently bought my first doz carbons,,GT 1535's. Cut at 29 1/2" w/2grn pr inch weight tubes and 145 grn tips,,total arrow weight of 466 grns, they spine heavier than 1916's and fly very well for me,,Just another option,,,,,,Mike
If you were pulling 30 or 31 inches, they might work. 3555'5 will be better at 28".
Since my draw length has went up, I think I'm gonna get rid of them and put the money toward longer arrows.
Frank, I live in Salton City, I shoot all the time at Balboa and Bear State. I can help you with this. Please give me a call@ 760-289-2013. I have a bunch of different shafts and point weights we can use.........
Mark
Thanks, sent ya a pm. I'm in an open office at work, trying not to call a lot, though they can't see my screen! LOL
Thanks for the help! I'm rechecking with your advice and will test again.
Depending on your center shot, if your bow is 3/16" past center , according to Stu Millers chart,should fly good AT 28" with 200pt up front.Check out STu Millers chart at
http://www.heilakka.com/stumiller/
Here are my two arrows. According to where the rest is now set, the 5575's are supposed to be correct and the 2018's, not correct. Yet, the 2018's fly straight, and the 5575's waggle. It seems inconsistent.
(http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt132/frankm9639/2018.jpg)
(http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt132/frankm9639/5575.jpg)