Ok gentlemen/Ladies,
I have always shot compound until the other day when I shot a friends Recurve (Bear ???) Now I am looking at trading my back up compound ( Hoyt Carbon Matrix) for a traditional bow. Here are some offers I have received:
Adcock ACS one Piece
Black Swan Hybrid one Piece
Morrison Dakota
Black Widow PLGA #62 @28"
A&H ACS CX 14" riser
SAluki longbow
big jim longbow
I appreciate any info and advice as this is my first traditional bow!
Choose one at weight you can handle. Most likely 62# is a bit much for your first bow. Look for something 40-50# to start off. Just my opinion!
What Ron said! Make sure you can easily handle the weight. Will make shooting much more enjoyable, and could possible prevent some bad shooting habits from being formed as you learn to make the switch.
A good recomendation weight wise, is to get a trad bow thats right at 15# less than your used to with your compound....
Those are all really great bow's for a "1st" trad bow... In fact, several people have waited a long time to come up with the quality of bows you have been offered... Many are still waiting and saving towards something as nice.
My personal choice [if the draw wt fits ] would be the Dakota however Morrison bows are kind of specific as far as draw length in respect to bow length.. If you go that way be sure and check Bob's web site for the appropriate charts. Bottom line is, if your draw lenght is a full 28" you need to go at least 58" in bow lenght.
However the Adcock, Black Swan and Big Jim are also excellent bow's ... If the Draw weight's are within reason.
As too the 62# Widow, while being a top line bow, I too think the wt. is way high for a person just comming out of the "Darkside" into the "Light" :wavey:
What you think you will like and what looks pretty may not be what you think it will be. My advice is SHOOT as many bows as you can. Different bowyers, different styles and draw weights. Feel at the shot is the most important thing. You'll fall in love with it in your hand, not on the computer screen.
This is not an endorsement. It is advice.
Sell your compound and then take a look at Gene's post in the classifieds. If I had the funds I'd purchase the bow.
( Shhhhh!! The longbow )
Thanks' for the "Plug" Fred...That really is a sweet bow and would be very easy for a recurve guy to switch to. :wavey:
I second and third what others have said. 47-54# trad bow would be a very good start.
If you have a local archery club start talking to the trad guys and I bet there would be some one that would let you shoot one of their extra bows for awhile to see what you think. Shoot as many different bows as you can because the draw wgt, grip, and hand shock is going to be different for every bow you shoot.
You don't have to, but if you really want to become proficient with your trad bow, sell the wheels. Good luck on the search.
Guys I really appreciate the advice! I will look into the exact draw length and weight of the others. The only traditional bows available for me to try are bear around here. I shot my friends @ #45 and it was nice I could hit cans and bottles @ 25 yards. I shot a new bear Cheyanne and didn't like it as much @ #55.
Gene I will look at your post in the classifieds also!
There you have it. Find one in your weight range and style you want. It also helps if the bow is pleasing to you. Your more likely spend more time with it if looks and feels good.
Also is there a "break in" period on a recurve/longbow?
The first bear I shot was 14 years old and had some use on it. Could be that the new bear was shorter in length too I guess...
I'll echo what COLongbow said.
Another vote for anything less than 50#. I wish I had started at around 40 instead of 50. Just my opinion though.
The only break-in time would be shooting a new string in. My experience is that most stings, whether B-50 dacron, dynaflight 97(D97), or S4 require a little shooting in until the string quits stretching. You can check your brace height frequently until the string settles in; then check periodically. OL Adcock has a really good tuning guide for traditional bows at http://bowmaker.net/tuning.htm.
Welcome to the trad side!
colongbow pretty much told it like it is.after 30 years of a recurve to compound and back to trad bows ,Ive come to the realization that any body can by a package bow and shoot 50 cent pieces @ 60 yards,but real people match wits with animals with a stick and a sting.And for those that can do it with a longbow,thats the most admirable,or a self bow even.Any how,youll have more fun with trad archery than you will have ever had.There are lots of great bowyers and great people in traditional crowds.I am a huge fan of Martin/Damon Howatt bows and Bob Lees too.They will proform with the best of them,too.And most of these custom bowyers,like Big Jim ,every bow they make are truely works of art.Best of Luck,Chanumpa
Join us at the TN Traditional Archery Society Banquet in 3 weeks (May 22) at Fall Creek Falls State Park. It's about 2 hours or so from Nash-vegas.
Squirrel hunt, look at and shoot a bunch of different bows, hear Monty Browning talk to us about a few of his hunting adventures and meet 40-50 traditional archers scattered across the state. It's a no lose proposition....
PM me or head down to the TN section for more details.
David
You might consider the grips on those bows and pick one thats similar to what your used to on a compound.Mass weight of the bow might be a factor in initial comfort and accuracy.Compounds are pretty heavy in mass weight.So you might feel more comforable with one of those bows that has some heft to it.The ACS 3 piece is gonna have more mass weight than most of the other ones you listed.I agree,choose one with a comfortable starting pull wieght.You dont want to be overbowed.A 45 # bow with well matched arrows and a quality sharp broadhead is good medicine for whitetails.
Those are all quality bows and excellant trades to consider.I would expect a well made bow no matter which one you choose.
David Sapp, I now live in lower Alabama :( (Military) Thanks for the invite though!
I am thinking I should sell the matrix and invest in a bow(or two) built for me!
I'm with COLongbow; try to shoot as many as you can before making a choice. Especially both longbow's and recurves. Since you've tried and like a recurve try to get you hands on a longbow.
Unfortunately traditional archery is a very personable thing, the feel of the bow - holding, drawing, shooting - will make or break a decision to owne a particular bow.
I have yet to try a longbow that I like (sorry guys). I now own a Quinn Stallion and love it. I also like the Chek-Mate's, Bob Lee's, and Black Widows. But others can tell you why they don't like them.
That's why I like websites like this and others, you can buy, sell and trade, (at less then full price)until hopefully you come across something that sticks (no pun intended).
Then...like the majority of us, you'll want more.
Welcome to Traditional archery AF_TT, I hope you'll love it as much as we do!
Just giving info, I had to go down from #70 compound to #45 recurve. Don't know why it was so drastic but after 4 years #50 is still about as far up as I can go.
I am thinking I will go with the morrison it's #45 @ 28" so should be perfect.
I see you didn't listen to my advice. But you are looking at a very nice bow. You kinda remind me of my kids. But I always allowed them to make the final decision.
You have my blessings, the Morrison is a fine bow.
Fred
You'll like the Morrison and that's a good weight. It's also an easy bow to trade later on.
Good luck
Sam
Good for you... Bob makes a wonderful bow and his are not only beautiful.. his craftsmanship and the performance he builds into his bow's are second to none. But then again if you read below my name you'll see I'm a bit biased.
I went thru several [ 40+ bows ] before getting my first Morrison form Donald Rowan here on TG, a 62" 62# Morrison "Take Down"... Beautiful bow and the fastest Trad bow I have ever shot or owned. [ Do not get the idea you need 62# !! I have been shooting trad since 1962, and shoot that wt. regularly. ]
That 45# Dakota should work for you just fine. But, as I stated earlier on your post be sure the bow lenght is compatable with your draw length. :wavey:
L. E.,
Thanks for the advice!
it's a 62" the morrison and I believe I am about to get my hands on a #47 64" black widow longbow.
Alot will depend on what you want to spend. I would not sell the compound yet. I still do alot of hunting with my Jennings compound. Last season was 50-50 with my Bob Lee and the compound. Hope fully this year will be 70% Bob Lee 30% compound. The more I practice the more I will wheen the compound out. I would say go to a trad archery show and shoot all kinds of bows and I'll bet the right one will jump out at you.
UPDATE:
I have a Black Widow LAG on the way #47 and will be picking up the Morrison Dakota #45 Friday evening. Now i must shoot these two and work it down to one. The LAG is 64" and my draw is 28 1/2 -3/4". So if I don't dig it I can sell it and pick up a 62" I suppose. Now I am working on arrows, the gentleman I am getting the morrison from has arrows for it he is giving me so I will see if they fit first.
As soon as I get these in I will post some pictures up.
Also I just registered for the Byron Ferguson clinic at the Howard Hill classic in AL June 4-6th. Figured why not it's $100.
I have heard he is into looking at the arrow for aiming (Gap?) but when I was shooting my friends bow I just stared at the target like I was trying to move it and hit dead on with out any arrow relation. So I hope they don't attempt to change the young dogs tricks lol!
So I have both bows in hand now and have shot them for the day. Morrison is the most comfortable and accurate for me. WOW what a nice bow! The BW is a nice bow but doesn't connect with me like the Morrison I'd say he won a customer.
Does Blackhawk Vapor still make arrows in the wood grain? I can't find more..
Morrison is a super bow they shoot great and look even better,will be a good starter and a good trader if you ever want to move up in weight.
MARK
I switched 2 1/2 years ago and what everyone is telling you about draw weight is correct. My suggestion is a 3 pc takedown from a reputable bowyer. I like Hummingbird bows. The reason for this in my opinion is you get used to the same riser and you are more consistant in your shooting. With the takedown you can start at a lower poundage and after you gain more confidence and proper form you can increase weight. LCH
I shoot bows from 43# to 60#...(the 60# is a long 68" longbow, all the rest are 60" recurves), and shoot all of them pretty well. that being said...I still love bows in the 45#-48# range.I can concentrate on my form best when shooting them and they perform all day long. I keep my kill shots to 20-22 yards and practice those and shorter distances all the time.Go with the mid to high 40's...these guys know what they are talking about...I'm glad I listened to them as well...john