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Title: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: FrankM on April 29, 2010, 11:25:00 AM
I've seen this tossed around as a minimum recommendation for arrows. Any other "rules of thumb" out there?
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Richie Nell on April 29, 2010, 11:33:00 AM
Heavy penetrates better than light.
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Ragnarok Forge on April 29, 2010, 11:49:00 AM
Shoot what shoots best in your bow.  Don't let rules of thumb rule your arrow selection.  Having said that.

Heavier arrows make for a quieter shot.  

I am shooting 10.5 gpp and find it a good compromise between speed and penetration.
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Dave Lay on April 29, 2010, 11:51:00 AM
I agree with Richie, personally I shoot about 9.5-10 gpp just cause that works really well out of my 60lb bows, as a general rule a well tuned heavier arrow does penetrate better. but I have never really liked a really heavy arrow, for me thats upper 600 and above.. but I am not huntin anything bigger than deer, bear, pigs etc...
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: JRY309 on April 29, 2010, 12:25:00 PM
I like to keep my arrows in the 9-11 gpp range,but don't like to shoot under 8 gpp..
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: FrankM on April 29, 2010, 02:31:00 PM
Interesting info. How about point weight? Something like, "should be at least 200 grains total", or "doesn't matter as long as FOC is > xx percent".  

Just looking for little words of wisdom that all bowhunters believe.  :)
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: nate c on April 29, 2010, 02:35:00 PM
We could make something up   :D  

(Honestly, that's how most rules of thumb got started...)

How about "Point weight in grains = or > Draw weight in grains x 3"?

Huh... that actually kind of makes sense.

Nate
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: ron w on April 29, 2010, 02:57:00 PM
Point weight is relative to your spine, If you have good arrow flight, your arrow weight is where you think it should be,not a lot of noise.....leave it alone, your good, don't mess with it. Shoot and have fun!!
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: jacobsladder on April 29, 2010, 02:59:00 PM
sharp point puncturing vitals = dead    ;)
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Richie Nell on April 29, 2010, 03:31:00 PM
Point weight is totally dependant on your objective and the end result you want out of the arrow.  
I think there are too many variable to have a rule of thumb.
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Ground Hunter on April 29, 2010, 03:51:00 PM
As a rule I keep my thumb out of topics like this.  H    :jumper:
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: FrankM on April 29, 2010, 04:09:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by jacobsladder:
sharp point puncturing vitals = dead     ;)  
I think this is the best so far. LOL
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Night Wing on April 29, 2010, 09:55:00 PM
For grains per pound, just look at my signature. It tells what I prefer. Of course, I'm shooting light weight poundages and long BOP aluminum arrows.
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Bowwild on April 29, 2010, 10:29:00 PM
Because my draw is on the short side (26") and my draw weights sort of light also (46-48 pounds) my arrows are are just a hair over 9 GPP. My arrows fly great with broadheads and field tips -- I've shot several broadheads from the same set-up: 2-BLade Magnus, 3-blade Montec, 2-Blade Bear RZHD, and even a Magnus Bullhead this week. I agree, with recurves (longbow too I guess but I have no LB experience) a heavy arrow is a good thing -- stable, quiet, and a penetrator. However, I'm not in a hurry to tinker with a set-up that hits where I'm looking -- when my mind doesn't wander, neither does  my arrow.
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Deadbolt on April 29, 2010, 10:38:00 PM
to light of an arrow is bad for the bow...
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Bowferd on April 29, 2010, 10:44:00 PM
Deadbolt, you sound like me. I may start with 10 but by the time I'm finished they seem to end up 12.
I'm gettin old and if they fly too fast, I can't watch'em. And if you can't enjoy watchin'em, well it's kinda like kissin your sister.
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Richie Nell on April 29, 2010, 10:50:00 PM
Quote...if they fly too fast, I can't watch'em.
Absolutley agree with that.

Quotewell it's kinda like kissin your sister.
As Dennis Miller said.."Unless you are little Jimmy Kournikova"
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: FrankM on April 29, 2010, 11:53:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Bowwild:
when my mind doesn't wander, neither does  my arrow.
That should be in your signature! LOL
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Earthdog on April 30, 2010, 02:19:00 AM
Beware the man with only one bow,,,,he probably knows how to use it.
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Hopewell Tom on April 30, 2010, 05:55:00 AM
You kiss your sister?.....
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: on April 30, 2010, 06:17:00 AM
When someone has shot a dozen deer and and had complete penetration on three elk and pass throughs on two with a 52 pound @ 26" Schluz Legend using cedar arrows with 125 grain broadheads, a good rule of thumb is, don't tell him he has got it all wrong. Another one is don't offer him $200 for that 18 year old bow. I am not the one that told him he had it wrong, I am the one that offered $200 for the bow, either way I am lucky I did not lose any teeth.
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: SteveB on April 30, 2010, 06:30:00 AM
QuoteJust looking for little words of wisdom that all bowhunters believe.  
It's a very short list that  ALL believe.

Here it is:

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Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: on April 30, 2010, 06:45:00 AM
Rules is hard
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: James Wrenn on April 30, 2010, 06:52:00 AM
No matter what you do or how well you do it with what you use someone else will think there way is better.

That is the only truth I know about bowhunters.   :D
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Flying Dutchman on April 30, 2010, 07:23:00 AM
As a rule of thumb I would not go under the 8 grains/lbs. Personally I think 8 grains will still be very light, possible shortening the life of your bow.
I would say somewhere between 9 and 10 grains/lbs would be a good compromis between speed and penetration.
I mostly aim at 9,5 grains/lbs. The outcome however is determined by bareshafting. During this proces you decide which point weights and shaftlenght gives you that perfect flight.
For my current setup I ended up with 9.4 grains/lbs and a FOC of 19%. My arrows fly with a speed of aprr. 190 fps.
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Terry Green on May 02, 2010, 07:42:00 PM
Heavy doesn't always penetrate better....I found that lighter carbons out penetrate 100 grain heavier wood arrows years ago.

As stated earlier...too many variables to make a blanket statement.
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Bowferd on May 02, 2010, 08:49:00 PM
I agree with Terry, but I have a terrible left shoulder and find that the heavier arrow allows me more shots while target shooting or stumping.
If I stick with 12gpp there seems to be an incredible difference.
The carbons that I still use from time to time are lighter than the woods and cane, but my shoulder takes a beating.
We just have to find what works best for us and run with it.
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: AdamH on May 02, 2010, 10:47:00 PM
Do yourself & your Bow a favor and stay with the Heavier Arrow, your Bow will thank you for it ...
Title: Re: 10 gpp recommendation, rules of thumb
Post by: Terry Green on May 03, 2010, 06:52:00 AM
Best clarify....

I shoot 580 grain carbon arrows out of my 60-65# bows...and I don't consider that to be a 'light arrow'.......but they do penetrate better than the 680 grain compressed maples that I have.

So again, heavier doesn't always penetrate better.....that does not mean I was saying to shoot a 'light arrow'.