Has anyone ever drilled holes in aluminum arrows to act as bleeders to help bleed an animal? How many per inch? What size hole? How would they affect the flight of the arrow? Will it cause noise? I know a good heart shot is all that is needed but we do not always make that good shot.
seems it would comprimise structure too much for me
I would not recommend it,on release the arrow could cause damage to your person.Like mentioned above it will seriously compromise the integrity of the arrow.wouldn't want a broadhead in my forearm if the arrow collapses at release. :scared:
SAFETY FIRST!!!!!
Do not drill holes in perfectly good arrows! The amount of blood that would flow out the arrow does not counter the damage that can occur when that arrow breaks and is rammed deep into your forearm.
Aluminums by nature are thin walled and when that wall is damaged ( drilled ) it will break on being fired within a few shots.
Seems to me if you drilled holes along the length of your alum. arrow, you would have just created a FLYING PICCALO!
That thing would whistle like crazy, and most likely fly erraticaly as the air caught unevenly as it spun through the air.
Seems like more practice would be a better use of the time. Then again, life is about experimentation. You could tune different arrows to different keys like Irish Penny Whistles.
OkKeith
Oh yeah, and the saftey thing as mentioned before!!!
That is something I thought about. I considered if I went up 3 o4 sizes in order to get a stiffer spline it would work. That is when I thought to post the question.
I do like the idea of Irish Penny Whistles.
Lots and Lots and Lots of animals bleed out just fine without drilling holes in arrows.
I kind of remember an arrow which was made with this concept. I had holes around the point and had shear point in the shaft to break off the knock end of the arrow when the game ran through brush. Maybe I just dreamed of it 30 years ago.
I get the message. I will not be experimenting.
Not sure how holes in an arrow could help anything at all? :confused:
You should be shooting through animals.Holes in an arrow do no good at all if it is stuck in the ground.jmo
I remember when I was a kid at YMCA camp, there was a deer that came in with other deer. This deer had an arrow sticking out it's side. They said it had been like that for several weeks. The deer had stopped bleeding and was healing up with the arrow sticking out.
I considered this concept too and came to the conclusion that holes would not work, however, a fluted shaft might, particularly if the flutes faded near the tip and near the tail for ease in applying feathers. Experiment! What the heck?!
I know the question sounded stupid to most of you but, for the last 40 years I have killed almost everything with a fire arm. The only thing I have shot with arrows is targets. I am still in the learning mode with bows and arrows.
I do appreciate the words of caution.
actually in the 1950 Ply Flex sold solid fiberglass arrows somewhat like a fish arrow however they had holes spaced a certin distance apart and drilled the length of the arrow shaft from noc to tip to lighten the weight(I'll look for some pics this week) and as mentioned they were solid fiberglass not aluminum.
However once again I should mention there was some arrow shafting in the mid 1970's I believe that also had holes drilled through the shaft and a special hollow broadhead so the shaft would break off and just and you mentioned allow blood to drain a little earier or faster.To answer your question yes there are some still around and again I'll look for some pics this week bd
Carl,
Not a stupid question at all. Questions lead to answers that lead to other questions, that lead to discoveries.
If Thomas Edison had never asked the "stupid question" about making light without flame, where would we be now?
There has been a lot of looking into the idea of having an arrow shaft diameter smaller than the ferrule diameter of the broadhead. This allows for better penetration and I would imagine better blood loss on a no-exit shot.
I have heard other stories just like yours about camp deer with arrows in them. I would bet that the arrow only had a target point. It would of course cause damage but never penetrate very far or cut enough tissue to cause fatality. That's why they are TARGET POINTS.
Keep asking questions. That's how we learn.
OkKeith
wow got lucky on the first bucket of arrows I check in.Here's some food for thought bd (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/bleeder001.jpg) regular 1950'2 style M-A 2 ???
You are by no means stupid my friend, you asked before you acted. Otherwise if you had compromised the integrity of the arrow and got hurt before you asked, now that might have been considered stupid by some. Never be scared to ask a question. I promise you for sure these folks will help you out. This is without a doubt the best group of folks I've ever seen as far as trying to help in any way they can. Welcome to the traditional side of archery.
Shoot Straight!
Charlie
well kind of kind of not check out this side bd (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/bleeder002.jpg)
hold the phone here guy's I'am digging.Once again a somewhat normal looking arrow noc ??? maybe maybe not bd (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/bleeder003.jpg)
and then (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/bleeder005.jpg)
Now your next question should be in regards to broadheads and if you use the search feature and type in broadheads you will find tons of info and opinions and that will help out with choices for heads that will get you good blood.Remember to list your bow and arrow set up so the guys can assist you in the best set up for what you have.Some of these guys can kill a deer by just thinking about it. :campfire:
I'd spend my time improving my shooting rather than drilling holes. Much more important for sure is the performace of the hunter....not all the equipment.
I'm willing to bet that over 95% of unrecovered animals are due to human error than equipment failure....yet so many put so much faith in 'stuff' instead of themselves.
No, not a stupid question.....but neither is this one....How's your shooting coming along?
hole in the blade hole in the noc hollow aluminum shaft worked like a staw.Now from my point of view.I would have to say this is one of the best questions ever asked atually archery related.
I'll keep looking for the pics of the actual arrows that were sold on the open market.The one I have was a proto type of the market version great ?????? thank you bd (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/bleeder005.jpg)
That's just a plain cool piece of history there Bowdoc.
JC the problemo was they never did work very well.The blades got filled with fat hide and hair the blood did not flow through the shaft at all a little to thick.
The others that were designed to break off did just that problem with those the broken end would get tucked under the hide and did nothing to help keep the wound open.Easy to see why they did'nt last long as a hot seller huh bd
As I recall back in maybe the '80's there were fluted aluminum arrows - I think the primary reason was to strengthen the shaft so a lighter arrow could be used (SPEED, SPEED, SPEED, right?) for the same stiffness. I also think I recall these being advertised to increase bloodtrails due to the flutes acting as blood grooves.
In reality unless you are shooting a broadhead that is only the diameter of your arrow shaft there is a much bigger hole cut in the hide/flesh than a shaft could ever "plug up". Think about it.
R
Thanks!
That is really good feed back.
And to answer the question of how my shooting is. I have spent a lot of time trying to find the right arrow, and the right point for my bow. i have had days where I could not miss. But for the most part I hit 90% in a 10 inch circle at 25 yards after about 5 minutes of warm up.
And Bowdoc, Thanks for showing those arrows. It's good to know my memory is still good and I did not confuse it with a dream.
In fact, in the early 1980's there was a company in my hometown of Poultney Vermont that had bleeeder holes in arrows and the arrows were designed to beak about every inch or so to supposedly facillitate bleeding. My father in law was one of the initial investors in the company and another was his best friend, a local attorney. The company was called "Shear Advantage" and in fact I found a Shear Advantage aluminum arrow in 2117 Autumn Orange at a yard sale a couple years ago and gave it to my father in law as a souvenir. The company is now defunct.
I'm with OkKeith, lets not poohy on anyones parade, I think this or something like it is a great idea. Like others have said, new inventions come from crazy sounding fixes to a problem.
I've shot lots and lots of our Kentucky deer and had them run off with my arrow sticking out of them from bad hits and good hits that simply didn't pass through from my weak 50 lb bows. I do find the majority of them but something like this couldn't hurt anything.
Invent on I say, discussion is what talk forums are all about.
ch1ch2...good to hear you are working on your shooting....sounds like its coming along.
bowdoc...I missed the 2nd pic....that is a cool arrow you got there....bet there's not many of them around.
shear advantage would be one of the companies along with ply flex that did build the hole in shaft arrows.But as mentioned all those companies and arrows are long gone.Well you do see the arrows for sale from time to time.
I wonderd about the broadhead bending on inpact with the modified type heads like that M-A 2 ? bd
Interesting thing about reading the history of oddities that have come and gone, and most of them start with..
Johnny got tired of not being able to find a good XYZ, so he started building his own. Then he started giving them to friends and before he knew it the demand was to great so he gave up his day job and started making his XYZ's full time.
(Unwritten is two years later the company went belly up and he was looking for his day job again)
Back in the late 70's early 80's there was an alloy bleeder arrow with holes on the market, came and went quickly. Not sure fluted arrows would aid bleed out either. I've made primitive arrows that I cut longitudinal grooves in to aid in keeping the shoot arrows straight. I think slots or holes in arrows are along the same lines as blood grooves in Bayonets - a myth.
Best blood trails always come from entrance and exit wounds as a result of adequately weighted arrows and razor scary sharp broadheads
regards Jacko
It's been done.Don't do it as others have said.Here's some pics of the old Shear advantage arrows from the 80's.
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VT thats a great picture thank you.I would also like to put in a vote for NO.Yeah I know I posted how cool they were however thats not what I ment.The shear ad. and the ply flex just did not work well at all.As mentioned above a shot in the heart with a field tip will work better then a hollow straw in the butt.Shot placment is the key to a short blood trail.Again great thread bd
Wow....more cool pics of old archery stuff....this give me an idea....
Guys....I started a Virtual Museum thread...if ya'll would, please post those pics and tell what they are on that thread.
Thanks.
Great stuff!
I am really glad I posted the question.
There is no substitution for all those years of experience
I like the idea of the virtual museum.
This is a new one to me, i have never heard of such a thing.